What should be done to prevent more ships from being pirated?

[MHz]

Ram them. Feed the fish. Have you seen how little a pirate ship is?

It's a little hard to chase somebody with a super-tanker as they don't turn all that fast.
Some sort of modern day bazooka (1st shot dead on where it was aimed, like an engine or at the waterline) would seem to be an effective deterrent to anything in the small category.

 

[lone wolf]

It's a little hard to chase somebody with a super-tanker as they don't turn all that fast.
Some sort of modern day bazooka (1st shot dead on where it was aimed, like an engine or at the waterline) would seem to be an effective deterrent to anything in the small category.

So what's the problem with the owners or insurers of one of these mega-million dollar tubs to hire on some security? They likely have lots guarding the plant on shore. The risk has line been known - unless they're looking for some free insurance money

 

[darkbeaver]

So what's the problem with the owners or insurers of one of these mega-million dollar tubs to hire on some security? They likely have lots guarding the plant on shore. The risk has line been known - unless they're looking for some free insurance money

I wonder how many times it's worth more to loose a cargo than to deliver it Wolf?

 

[lone wolf]

I wonder how many times it's worth more to loose a cargo than to deliver it Wolf?

Not very often ... but a purchase price of $147/bbl versus a selling price of $62/bbl might be one of those times

 

[MHz]

So what's the problem with the owners or insurers of one of these mega-million dollar tubs to hire on some security? They likely have lots guarding the plant on shore. The risk has line been known - unless they're looking for some free insurance money

Why not train the ones already on-board, you might have to up their pay so they can't be bribed.

I wonder how many times it's worth more to loose a cargo than to deliver it Wolf?

Never that only invites a return trip. The odds are probably in favor of a high-jacking not being their first. If the previous 'victim' had disabled their boat permanently the 'next' event could not happen.

Are you suggesting an owner would over-insure his boat and cargo for many times it's worth and then send it in with the hopes that it will be captured? Just to make a bit of cash on the side for himself?

PS The insurance companies could be hiring the pirates because they can then charge much, much more for any vessel that is to sail a particular stretch of water. Well beyond the amount lost to their pirates.

 

[darkbeaver]

Not very often ... but a purchase price of $147/bbl versus a selling price of $62/bbl might be one of those times

I was wondering about that. These are not stable times, with price deflation cargoes may loose value in transit.

 

[darkbeaver]

Why not train the ones already on-board, you might have to up their pay so they can't be bribed.


Never that only invites a return trip. The odds are probably in favor of a high-jacking not being their first. If the previous 'victim' had disabled their boat permanently the 'next' event could not happen.

Are you suggesting an owner would over-insure his boat and cargo for many times it's worth and then send it in with the hopes that it will be captured? Just to make a bit of cash on the side for himself?

PS The insurance companies could be hiring the pirates because they can then charge much, much more for any vessel that is to sail a particular stretch of water. Well beyond the amount lost to their pirates.

Lots of considerations beyond the labourers in these situations isn't there?

 

[Praxius]

I was thinking of the physical separation from the mainland just this weekend. We need a moat between us and the NBers, the draw bridge from us to them, (make sure we emphsize that in the drawings) this will prevent raids from the potatoe people.

^ Man I can't stand those guys.... always talking about potatoes and their big hairy feet with no shoes.... them bilingual people are wierd.

But anywho, I guess I've side tracked long enough in here.... back to topic for me.

 

[EagleSmack]

^ Man I can't stand those guys.... always talking about potatoes and their big hairy feet with no shoes.... them bilingual people are wierd.

But anywho, I guess I've side tracked long enough in here.... back to topic for me.

Love it!

"Awwwww you ruined it...Stupid fat hobbit!"

 

[Tonington]

I'm not sure what's been said already, but I think the best option is an International Force in those areas like the Somali Coast and the South China Sea. There are quite a few nations with interests in free-flowing world commerce. More patrol boats are needed. The rub is, does the cost of new patrol boats/patrols offset the gains made by less lost commercial traffic? What about the costs of ransoms?

More navy patrol vessels. Sink the bastards.

We need maybe to pay a Bond-type villain to build us a satellite that can target ocean going vessels, including the small craft to vapourize them. Lets just hope the space-pirates don't get their hands on it!

 

[Colpy]

A simple solution: board the ship with SAS members, and make the pirates simply 'disappear'. Once it stops being a lucrative, rewarding career, and after a few thousand people disappear into the ocean without a trace, maybe the problem will go away.

Exactly.

Except it would be the SBS.....Special Boat Squadron......no I'm not kidding, they are an equivalent group of Special Forces in Britain, trained, one would imagine, in exactly this type of thing.

 

[EagleSmack]

I would think a watch of .50 Cals around the ship while passing through this area. They would ward off any small boat attack.

Don't they make those new blasting horns for pirate deterency?

 

[Risus]

I think we should put together an international convoy of warships and hunt these criminals down, destroy them and their vessels. I can't believe the Somalian government, such as it is, isn't in this with both feet. There are a number of hijacked ships at anchor off the coast that are apparently booby trapped with explosives until the ransom is paid. Until now we've been treating these guys with kid gloves. Time to get rough.

What Somalian government??? That is part of the problem. The pirates actually contribute to the economy there, and the so called government is on their payroll.

 

[Risus]

Put weapons and gun turrets on them and have them at the pirates.

scratch, we agree on something...

 

[lone wolf]

There was something on History Channel about a super-sized cattle boat and the pirates around Java and the Slot. Deck watches armed with firehoses and M-16's when radar detected them. Any radar that can spot sampans is going to sniff out a pirate scow. A five inch amidships when they fail to wave off.... No witness.... No trouble.

 

[scratch]

Why not?
If it solves a potential problem.

 

[Northboy]

Submarines would work.

But whose submarines?

regs, North

scratch

Does it really matter?

Russia had a freighter seized two weeks ago

Saudi tanker this week.

A number of other boats from other nations in the last few days.

This is an international problem.

Subs would scare the beejeepers out of those pirates if they knew they were prowling around.

As for negotiation, this is Admiralty Law stuff - high seas piracy does not warrant negotiation.

 

[Tonington]

Long range acoustic devices were being discussed on daily planet. That seems like a fairly good idea, until the pirates get savvy and bring ear protection.

 

[GreenFish66]

Shootn' the ship with oil' buddies

Give pirates money..Follow them home...Open a recruitment station by their houses ..Hire locals to protect ships with their own ships?!.If they refuse ...Well ...Then add more security or use force if necessary!!.

Wasn't this the basis of the Iraqi and afgani war with Taliban?...Take it to their homes, not ours ?////Is this fair??


If the area is not safe ..Change the route ...Use advanced radar or other advanced technology to scan for miles around!..Should be able to see pirates comin for miles before they arrive!...

Who is responsible for the tankers?...

Who owns the waterway?...

If there is no government in the area .Hire these villagers as security to ensure safe passage!...Invest in the area so these people can reap some of the rewards from such a large environmental risk!.

Maybe people who live along these oil hiways ,should recieve an enviromental risk pay, for any hazard that passes their shores..Little price to pay for the enormous risk to their environment!!...I don't think it is in the "Hijackers" best interest to "blow up" or pollute their shore with oil!...

Follow them home ...if these pirates or governments refuse to work toward a solution...Well ..then again maybe force is necessary!!...There are hundreds of ways to deal with this issue!!..Peacefully!.

Changing international water way laws is not an option...

I fear this issue has the potential to be abused to change laws that will spill over to other jurisdictions like Alaskian/Canadian/Russian water ways!!..

This problem should be dealt with locally with no international manipulation!...There are many solutions..It's the risk of doing business!...

And again we must keep in mind..There is an over supply of oil kickin around because of a criminally over inflated oil markets !

..What is in the interest of these oil and grain companies?...

What do these companies and those involved stand to gain or loose in this situation.When all is said and done??.

..I would argue..Oil companies never loose...They will be fine!!

Who's land borders these water ways??,

,Should they not be responsible for their own area??

..Perhaps the oil companies can be some assistance to the local government to ensure safe passage!

I hope this isn't just another game being played to change international water laws to futher beneift oil companies..They get enough breaks !!

 

[EagleSmack]

Long range acoustic devices were being discussed on daily planet. That seems like a fairly good idea, until the pirates get savvy and bring ear protection.

Laughing. I bet that would cause that device to be obsolete real quick.

They need to start arming these merchants.