What are we doing in Afghanistan?
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Oh really, I hate to break it to you, but the Russians had air superiority too, how did that work out?
The Afghani's haven't kicked us out because they know we intend to leave, we have no stomach for occupation.
And while we are here, we are fighting the Taliban, and the Afghani's know that the Taliban are an imperialistic group of foreigners who have every intention of continuing an occupation.
If the Afghani people wanted us out, we would be gone, we can talk all we want about air power, but we still have boots in the mud and need them to maintain order.
No, you got it wrong. The hatred of Canadians is so strong that they are ready to get killed in the explosion if some of them are nearby and nevertheless, still do not inform Canadians about the bomb. Wake up and smell the shoes! They hate us and they have good reason to do so.
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It is you who got it wrong. There is no difference between us and Russians. Russians were not kicked out; they were just smart enough to understand after 10 years that they are not going to win and they left. We are in exactly the same situation. It is time for us to understand the same thing and get out as Russians did.
The analogy goes further. As soon as Russians left, Najibulla was hanged on a tree in Kabul. The same faith awaits for Karzai when everybody leaves. He will be hanged too, and this is exactly what he deserves.
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I wonder how the current warplanes would make out if billions in munitions was being shipped in to the enemy forces.
Germany, Japan would say otherwise, and how many bases off US are there?
The Taliban are what is left of the forces the US setup to fight the USSR who had been invited in.
They did have order in the 80's, who messed that up, the US.
Don't you ever get tired of spreading rumors, especially the ones that run directly against the truth?
Our military "equipment" has been beefed up to make us merely competant at what our military is required to do.
The equipment needed for "peace keeping" and "active combat" are not mutally inclusive.
We RENT equipment on an "as required" basis from the Russians, Germans, Dutch and Americans. I wouldn't say that it's "our equipment"
It "disappoints" the vast majority of people to see us in a war where we have no business being.
No lots of Afghanis targeted. Especially teachers, translators, anyone who would dare teach a woman to read and write, aid workers, construction workers etc.
I take it you mean the U.S. and allies. I doubt the violence would diminish. It might take on a different form....people just disappearing or being banished to their homes. But the violence would continue. There was plenty of violence before we arrived, I don't see a reaon to believe it would diminish just because we left.
It's that course's par that led us to being there in the first place. That religious fundamentalism/intolerence was directed at us. Lest we forget.
I think it's the only way for ground convoys, through the infamous Khyber Pass.
That may well be.
I'm not sure the camps are gone. They've bugged out of the mainstream areas and disappeared into the back woods (mountains) but they're still very much there, in the remote areas of Afghanistan and in Pakistan.
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I mean damn, with the economic meltdown, Canada should be functioning just like a family- cost/benefit analysis and get rid of the stuff that has very little benefit and huge cost. In my area we're losing a few hospitals- should I feel good that, as I bleed out from some stupid random injury, a crappy hospital has been built in Afghanistan??
I hope "yes" is not the answer that springs to mind, I should be damn furious. If we can hadrly afford to maintain our own damn country we have NO business trying to rebuild ANY other countries, period[/quote]
I understand your frustration with our health care situation, but I don't think a crappy hospital in Afghanistan is gonna make or break our ability to fund our own hospitals.
And you think the Taliban get their equipment from where? Hint, its from the wealthiest nations on Earth acros the mid east.
The Taliban are also NOT whats left of the US supported Forces, while some of them were mercanaries fighting in the war, by and large they were a seperate force who attacked the other forces in the civil war that started in 1992.
Basic reading on their origins.
Taliban - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Before you speak on a subject as definitive you should do at least 5 minutes of reading.
With your attitude I can see why they would want to blow up the CN tower. Show us how their lives have improved. Canada is supporting a corrupt and criminal government in Afghanistan. The Northern Alliance is no better than the Taliban. Too bad you didn't get your chance to kill kill kill or be killed.
Where do you get this stuff from?
The Taliban aren't gone or anything. Do you for some reason think that should allied forces be withdrawn that the Taliban who are now pushed out would not bother to return and regain control of the country?
Rediculous!
Ridiculous.
the Afghan population rose up en masse against the Russian invasion.......to illustrate that, the Soviet Army admitted to 13,800 killed in action in nine years of war. That estimate is considered very low by some experts, who would double it
to approximately 26,000 KIA.
The Coalition has had 966 killed since the invasion in 2001.
Comparing our experience with that of the Soviet Army is just silly.
I assume you're right about the numbers but then the present Afghanistan force hasn't been there for that long.
But I don't see how the comparison is ridiculous: although the justification for invasion was not the same, the operation was not that different. Of course, the Russians didn't have as much of a tech advantage as US forces do now and today's Taliban aren't supplied as well as the so-called Afghan 'Mujahadeen' were then.
We've been there almost the same amount of time as the russians, the Russians were there for 9 years, we've been there 7.
In that amount of time we've receieved officially 1/13th the death rate, and probably closer to 1/25th.
If the Afghans wanted us gone, and not just the Taliban (another foriegn army to Afghanistan), we would know it. FAST.
Where do you get this stuff from?
The Taliban aren't gone or anything. Do you for some reason think that should allied forces be withdrawn that the Taliban who are now pushed out would not bother to return and regain control of the country?
Rediculous!
I get the stuff from criticle analysis of various intelligence sources. You obviously get yours from CTV and CNN. The Taliban and many other rebel groups now control most of Afghanistan this is why Uncle Sma Obama has got to sent twenty-thousand more meat patties.:smile:
So you're posting from Afghanistan Zzarchov? The Russians did not employ civilian targeting by airstrike anywhere near as widely as the coalition forces do. We have perfected air delivered terrorism, it has proved to be a successful strategy and will no doubt be expanded as the boots get cut down by attrition or become to rare and or unreliable to risk. No order has been acheived Zzarchov to require maintenance. Most of the various rebel forces are indiginous.
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You want a link to support my contentions of eventual war on Canada in the age of resource aquisition by military/economic domination? Do the search yourself it's a proven scenario with loads of precedent resupported as late as yesterday and bound to be repeated tomorrow. What makes you doubt for a second that failing the efforts of our traitorous wealthy class to sell wholesale the riches of Canada to the imperial bankers that airpower won't be used to secure the loot if and when it is profitable? And we're in the neighbourhood.
If somebody was to pump in the same amount of weapons and money (to hire outside fighters just like the CIA did) the numbers would be much different for the US.
The Taliban is the renment of the forces the CIA hired.
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Apparently you need proof about the connection. Here is a tid-bit from your link.
"Alhough there is no evidence that the CIA directly supported the Taliban or Al Qaeda, some basis for military support of the Taliban was provided when, in the early 1980s, the CIA and the ISI (Pakistan's Interservices Intelligence Agency) provided arms to Afghans resisting the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, and the ISI assisted the process of gathering radical Muslims from around the world to fight against the Soviets. Osama Bin Laden was one of the key players in organizing training camps for the foreign Muslim volunteers. The U.S. poured funds and arms into Afghanistan, and "by 1987, 65,000 tons of U.S.-made weapons and ammunition a year were entering the war."[17]"
Before the US invasion the Taliban would not give up Osama, that would seem to mean they were 'friends'.
I'll see if I can find some more.
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Your comparison of losses in Russian army and American army is fundamentally wrong, because Russian army was fighting effectively another army well equipped by American weapons. People of Afghanistan are now against Americans in exactly the same degree as it was against Russians, except that now nobody is supplying them with anything. How do they still manage in these conditions to still blow up our soldiers is beyond my comprehension.