Whales, seals, and oxen: what's the difference?

[Ron in Regina]

"Last edited by Ron in Regina; 32 minutes ago at 03:48 PM."

Ron, you got into the annoying habit of butchering my post with no explanation. Is it bcause you CAN?

Once you told me that if I have a problem with your actions, I should send you a PM.

How about you sending ME a PM before or even after you abused your power?

Abuse of power? OK...you choose not to address this via a PM. Your choice...



I responded to a Reported Post (your Post) pertaining to blatant and nasty
racist comments. Peoples living up to their Treaty Status wouldn't automatically
be Poachers or Smugglers or any of you other allegations.



On that note, this Thread is about:

Whales, seals, and oxen: what's the difference?

 

[YukonJack]

Thanks, Ron!

Now that I know the reason you edited my post, I will try to be more considerate in the future.

And I hope you will be just a bit less accomodating to whiners.

 

[cdn_bc_ca]

At the same time, I have no problem farming any animal, including fish for human consumption. Animal farming does not interfere with nature in any way; we may do with the farm animals as we choose.

No, No, No.... Your idea may start out with good intentions, but as corporations start to take over these farms, money and profits become a priority and the environment and health start to suffer.

Some notes that you may want to read up on:
The use of antibiotics use to keep farmed "whatever" alive and how these drugs are propagated through the food chain.
The use of growth hormones that produce supersized farmed "whatever" in half the time nature intended and how these hormones move up the food chain.
The use of genetically modified farmed "whatever" and how corporations have patented them thereby putting a choke-hold on the "whatever" industry. (Yes, Monsanto Corp in 2005 tried to patent the PIG!)
Now read up on these "whatever" escaping from their farms and mixing with wild stock.
The use of fertilizers and how the excess run-off from rains can change/harm the environment. (the most disastrous one that comes to mind is the population explosion of a certain type of starfish and it's effects on the Great Barrier Reef).

Farming, the corporate way, has unintended but disastrous effects on nature.

 

[countryboy]

No, No, No.... Your idea may start out with good intentions, but as corporations start to take over these farms, money and profits become a priority and the environment and health start to suffer.

Some notes that you may want to read up on:
The use of antibiotics use to keep farmed "whatever" alive and how these drugs are propagated through the food chain.
The use of growth hormones that produce supersized farmed "whatever" in half the time nature intended and how these hormones move up the food chain.
The use of genetically modified farmed "whatever" and how corporations have patented them thereby putting a choke-hold on the "whatever" industry. (Yes, Monsanto Corp in 2005 tried to patent the PIG!)
Now read up on these "whatever" escaping from their farms and mixing with wild stock.
The use of fertilizers and how the excess run-off from rains can change/harm the environment. (the most disastrous one that comes to mind is the population explosion of a certain type of starfish and it's effects on the Great Barrier Reef).

Farming, the corporate way, has unintended but disastrous effects on nature.

An excellent post!

 

[ironsides]

We all want bans on the seal hunt and whaling, yet we see nothing wrong with eating beef.

Personally, I eat vegan (though will eat non-vegan when necessary such as to not offend a host for example). However, I don't understand the logic in people who oppose whaling and sealing but who are not equally vocal about eating beef, chicken, etc.

Am I the ony one who sees a double-standard here or is there something I'm missing?

Save 300,000 Seals from Mass Slaughter: Next Hunt March 2011

I do not consider killing baby seals hunting. No talent no skills required, markets drying up every year, no need, it is time to stop it. No double standard, one animal at a time is a victory.

To quote: LorriWayne AOK

Animals Don't Have A Voice, They Need us to Give them One! Come on Canada, everyone, Now is the time to speak up! Time is ticking, Next Hunt Spring 2011
Officials are looking for new markets for the fur of our seals since the EU Ban. They have vowed they will find one, we need to move fast!
We are making history Canada... of the most tragic slaughter of marine wildlife on this planet! Help Save our Seals and their Seal Pups !
I thought I grew up in a civilized and morally advanced country, until I saw what was taking place every year on our east coast.
There is nothing civilized about the shameful destruction and mutilation of hundreds of thousand helpless newborn Seal Pups and their parents in the commercial annual slaughter my country call a hunt !

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/4/Canadian-Seals-Need-Your-Help/

 

[Ron in Regina]

So Uhm.....who's killing these baby Seals? This is a loaded question, and though I've
read the post above....it migt be time to do some homework on the subject.

To be perfectly honest, the only Seals I'm familiar with are the ones that Super-Dave
used to obtain his "Genuine Saskatchewan Seal Skin's" from for his protective gear,
but I believe the whole "Clubbing Baby Seals in 2011's Official Hunt" is misleading
at best, and pretty ingenious if worded nicely...on the part of the group wanting
signatures on the petition above.

 

[TenPenny]

.
There is nothing civilized about the shameful destruction and mutilation of hundreds of thousand helpless newborn Seal Pups and their parents in the commercial annual slaughter my country call a hunt !

Newborn seal pups aren't hunted.

 

[Tonington]

Save 300,000 Seals from Mass Slaughter: Next Hunt March 2011

I do not consider killing baby seals hunting. No talent no skills required, markets drying up every year, no need, it is time to stop it. No double standard, one animal at a time is a victory. http://www.thepetitionsite.com/4/Canadian-Seals-Need-Your-Help/

If you can think of another way to control the population of animals with very few predators left in it's trophic web, then DFO would love to hear from you. If you want to actually learn something, DFO has a page you may be interested in:
Canadian Seal Harvest – Myths and Realities

 

[taxslave]

If you can think of another way to control the population of animals with very few predators left in it's trophic web, then DFO would love to hear from you. If you want to actually learn something, DFO has a page you may be interested in:
Canadian Seal Harvest – Myths and Realities

Trouble is that people that are educated in a subject rarely give donations to the cause du jour. That means that there won't be enough funds for the rent a riot crowd to fly to Newfoundland to stage a protest against something that does not happen anyway.
I wish DFO would promote a seal hunt/kill on the West coast as they are destroying a lot of salmon enhancement work. Not to mention the damage they do to net pens.

Tonington: Perhaps you could verify this.: I read somewhere a number of years ago that each adult seal KILLS 10 lbs of salmon per day whether they eat it or not.

 

[karrie]

We all want bans on the seal hunt and whaling, yet we see nothing wrong with eating beef.

Am I the ony one who sees a double-standard here or is there something I'm missing?

I see nothing wrong with eating properly managed populations of any animal. I do not care about a ban on seal hunting. If they need culling, cull them, plain and simple. And whales would be fair game in my books if their populations were high and killing them could be swift and efficient. No double standard there.

 

[Unforgiven]

Why stop there? Come to think of it, is there a problem that can't be solved by culling?

 

[Risus]

You could say the same about fish where they need a lots of square miles to feed but it's not true and fish farming has proven that.

Look at all the seals and whales in captivity the whales are in pens and fed on a daily bases so needing hundreds of square miles just isn't true and seals are the same.

The seal hunt would be better if they harvested the whole animal, fur for fashion and meat for food.

The aboriginals have existed on whale and seal meat for thousands of years.

Since there is demand for whale and seal meat, Canada should help businesses develop that industry.

LOL, a fish farm, yes, but a whale farm?? That is ludicrous.

 

[Tonington]

I wish DFO would promote a seal hunt/kill on the West coast as they are destroying a lot of salmon enhancement work. Not to mention the damage they do to net pens.

Tonington: Perhaps you could verify this.: I read somewhere a number of years ago that each adult seal KILLS 10 lbs of salmon per day whether they eat it or not.

Do you mean sea lions or seals? I'd have to do some searching.

 

[karrie]

LOL, a fish farm, yes, but a whale farm?? That is ludicrous.

If they can live and breed in those tiny pools at aquariums, I wouldn't be surprised to see someone take a shot at farming them in ocean pens. It's amazing what 'domestication' can do. Get some breeding stock from whales bred in captivity and not used to large spaces, and it could have a potential to be successful if you can afford the room.

 

[DaSleeper]

Why stop there? Come to think of it, is there a problem that can't be solved by culling?

They do so more than you think, but in more subtle ways...:smile:
In northern ontario where we have lots of trees and lots of beaver, they are a pest because they will naturaly dam every thing that is handy, so a road that is severasl feet above the level of surrounding terrain is a perfect natural dam for them since they only have to plug the culvert (smart animal heh?)...but when they do it the gravel road gets flooded and washes out.
So the MNR solution is to establish a quota of beaver that a trapper must trap to keep his trap line every year, even though the money for beaver fur barely covers his expenses and not his time.
Another solution might be what Saskathewan or Alberta did some years ago when they had a beaver problem,.....put out some bait with birth control drugs in it???
Maybe Karrie or Ron can check on that rumour I heard years ago????

 

[karrie]

sounds like an urban myth to me DaS

 

[Cliffy]

When beaver are over populated they will eat Jack Pine bark to abort. Interesting that we can dam any water ways and build roads that restrict or endanger wildlife but damn them if they inconvenience us.

 

[YukonJack]

So, will we see people on the ice this March, protesting the butchering of baby seals?

Yeah, probably.

Will we see the same people at abortion clinics protesting the butchering of baby humans in the womb?

NO, not likely.

 

[DaSleeper]

When beaver are over populated they will eat Jack Pine bark to abort. Interesting that we can dam any water ways and build roads that restrict or endanger wildlife but damn them if they inconvenience us.

Link please??? Thanks

 

[Risus]

If they can live and breed in those tiny pools at aquariums, I wouldn't be surprised to see someone take a shot at farming them in ocean pens. It's amazing what 'domestication' can do. Get some breeding stock from whales bred in captivity and not used to large spaces, and it could have a potential to be successful if you can afford the room.

Its still a ludicrous idea considering the number of whales you would have to farm. Nice try, though...