Trans Mountain ‘pipeline is going to get built’: Trudeau dismisses B.C.’s bitumen ban

[Decapoda]

As an NEB backed eminent domain Crown asset they could pipe whale fat and nothing could be done.

The Trudeau Government has already come out and announced that he's killing the NEB, and he's replacing it with an entity that takes all stakeholder concerns into consideration, no matter how small, and one that removes a Federal Cabinet’s ability to overturn a negative decision.

Crown asset or not, Trudeau had the jurisdictional authority to get this pipe built before his big purchase, but he didn't have the balls to stand up to the opponents of the project. What does this change?

 

[petros]

When? He doesn't even have a date set for weed.

CNOC wants their oil. No TMPL, no TPP.

 

[Hoid]

The Trudeau Government has already come out and announced that he's killing the NEB, and he's replacing it with an entity that takes all stakeholder concerns into consideration, no matter how small, and one that removes a Federal Cabinet’s ability to overturn a negative decision.

Crown asset or not, Trudeau had the jurisdictional authority to get this pipe built before his big purchase, but he didn't have the balls to stand up to the opponents of the project. What does this change?

It changes a large corporation risking a bunch of money into the Canadian government risking a bunch of money.

Thats what has changed.

The Canadian taxpayer is now on the hook for a pipeline that makes no economic sense.

 

[petros]

What risk?

 

[justfred99]

That is declaration of war against the people of BC, especially our native people. This is going to cause blood shed. Fukk tar sands. Pump it east if you must. We don't want that shit fowling up our water, soil and air.

Your statement says you do not want oil fouling up your water. Have you thought about asking your politicians to quit shitting and peeing in the ocean, in Victoria. If you and your politicians want to be green then all of you should be driving electric vehicles, never use anything plastic, never fly anywhere. Perhaps the the Premier should try to get help with his policy of suing Alberta to keep the oil coming to them ( for Alberta to not shut off the pipeline) and then sue Alberta over sending oil to them. For the premier not being able to see the contradiction with this policy tells a lot about whether any intelligence exists. Oh, do you think he has been sleeping with our Prime Minister, getting Liberal stupid by injection?

 

[petros]

http://www.neb-one.gc.ca/prtcptn/lndwnrgd/lndwnrgd-eng.pdf

 

[Bar Sinister]

It changes a large corporation risking a bunch of money into the Canadian government risking a bunch of money.

Thats what has changed.

The Canadian taxpayer is now on the hook for a pipeline that makes no economic sense.

What has also changed is that the pipeline now falls under the "Peace, order, and good government" clause of the BNA Act which has generally been interpreted as giving the Federal government the right to overrule the provinces on any issue considered to be of national importance. If BC continues to fight the pipeline it will be fighting uphill.

 

[Cliffy]

 

[DaSleeper]

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Lookee up there.

The Facebook idiot is back!

 

[taxslave]

Cliffy and his terrorist buddies are mobilizing.

Will they burn their welfare cheques in protest?

The risk doesn't change, only the entity who owns the risk.

You really feel comfortable with Trudeau and Morneau managing the tap? This whole mess is the result of their inability to manage stakeholders in the first place. This deal doesn't change the equation.

Most people are not happy about crown corps running businesses but in this case I think it is a good deal since the new line will get built and for once I believe trudOWE when he said he does not expect the government to own it for the long term although it is a possibility. I think the moneymen in Toronto told JT to buy it, get the new pipe built and then let them buy it from the government for pennies on the $$$.

 

[JLM]

Drama and exaggeration are the worst ways to make a point Cliffy. Once people see through them all credibility is lost!

 

[taxslave]

What has also changed is that the pipeline now falls under the "Peace, order, and good government" clause of the BNA Act which has generally been interpreted as giving the Federal government the right to overrule the provinces on any issue considered to be of national importance. If BC continues to fight the pipeline it will be fighting uphill.

Best news all day.

 

[Hoid]

What has also changed is that the pipeline now falls under the "Peace, order, and good government" clause of the BNA Act which has generally been interpreted as giving the Federal government the right to overrule the provinces on any issue considered to be of national importance. If BC continues to fight the pipeline it will be fighting uphill.

in fact it changes nothing about the legality or illegality of this pipeline expansion.

 

[petros]

White climate dupe Bolshevik.

 

[Hoid]

Not a single oil concern on Earth wanted anything to do with a 60 year old pipeline through BC that is pumping the least profitable oil like substance on Earth.

Who will step up and buy this gynormous loser?

Only a government. Everyone else has to earn money so they don't have that level of contempt for it.

 

[Decapoda]

What risk?

I'll bet Kinder Morgan could give you a very detailed response to that question.


If this expansion was going to cost 8 billion to construct under ownership and management of a private company, any guesses as to how much it's now going to cost as a Government run crown?

 

[Hoid]

Why is their no private money stepping here?

Because its a loser.

 

[captain morgan]

Drama and exaggeration are the worst ways to make a point Cliffy. Once people see through them all credibility is lost!

I thought that the pic had to do with all the raw sewage that YVR and Victoria pump into the ocean

in fact it changes nothing about the legality or illegality of this pipeline expansion.

Ummm, any thoughts on what body crafts federal legislation?

 

[Decapoda]

When? He doesn't even have a date set for weed.

CNOC wants their oil. No TMPL, no TPP.

No doubt he will stall on this, just as he will stall on getting the pipe built. Trudeau's best strategy right now in order to try and keep from pissing everybody off completely is obscurity and delay. That way, he can play both sides of the fence before next year's election; he can say to opponents of the project that the pipeline is not yet built and is still subject to review by the new Canadian Energy Information Agency (CEIA) and the new Canadian Energy Transmission Commission (CETC), two bodies that are replacing the existing NEB. And he can say to proponents of the project that it simply needs to be reviewed and approved by these new panels and the project will be good to go.

It's interesting that part of replacing the NEB includes the removal of Federal Cabinet’s ability to overturn a negative decision regarding project approvals. I wonder if this is why yesterday's announcement inclulded the provision that the Government will "underwrite costs if the proponent abandons the project because of an adverse judicial decision, or because it can't be completed by a predetermined date despite "commercially reasonable efforts."

I have a feeling were all being set up to pay a lot more than he bargained for...for a pipe that will never get built.

 

[JLM]

I thought that the pic had to do with all the raw sewage that YVR and Victoria pump into the ocean

I thought the crap in the water looked more like oil than shit! :lol: