Trans Mountain ‘pipeline is going to get built’: Trudeau dismisses B.C.’s bitumen ban

Hoid

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That pipeline expansion is not going to be done.

It is economically unfeasible and environmentally repugnant.
 

JLM

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Why is their no private money stepping here?

Because its a loser.

NO Waldo..............because barely 24 hours has elapsed since the plan even came to light. Folks have until August to jump in. Your post is 3 months premature!
 

Hoid

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It may be a blessing in disguise because now we can seriously consider just shutting it down.

How they ever snuck that dilbit crap in is beyond me.

We should not transporting any of that. We should look beyond stopping the expansion and toward shutting down oil altogether.
 

petros

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The environment is making new oil everyday of the year.

Diatoms are the lungs of the planet. They uptake millions tonnes of carbon a day and in turn release O2 as they turn sunshine and CO2 into lipids (oil).

in fact it changes nothing about the legality or illegality of this pipeline expansion.

It may be a blessing in disguise because now we can seriously consider just shutting it down.

How they ever snuck that dilbit crap in is beyond me.

We should not transporting any of that. We should look beyond stopping the expansion and toward shutting down oil altogether.
Would you prefer we exported just heavy oil and kept the sweet crude for domestic use?
 

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And Washington State should be stepping up here and shutting down the only buyer there is for this crap.

There is no reason they should be buying Canadian oil when the American shale oil is widely available now.
 

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petros

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What about California?

They are buying the majority of outbound tankers then upgrading because California is exploiting their oilsands and have the capability.

Why don't they care about the pacific coastline?
 

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It may be a blessing in disguise because now we can seriously consider just shutting it down.

How they ever snuck that dilbit crap in is beyond me.

We should not transporting any of that. We should look beyond stopping the expansion and toward shutting down oil altogether.
Have you bought that electric vehicle yet ? Or is the we you are talking about us producers ?
 

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While publicly denying and condemning it

What about California?

They are buying the majority of outbound tankers then upgrading because California is exploiting their oilsands and have the capability.

Why don't they care about the pacific coastline?

to pin your post by mine for clarity

Have you bought that electric vehicle yet ? Or is the we you are talking about us producers ?

It's just gum flapping he knows the truth

 

DaSleeper

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What about California?

They are buying the majority of outbound tankers then upgrading because California is exploiting their oilsands and have the capability.

Why don't they care about the pacific coastline?
Because hypocrites like Waldo and Mentalfloss and bar sinister , like to preach, but can't practice what they preach
They don't own an electric car, and maybe not even a bicycle....
All they have is empty words from empty heads......
 

petros

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I know 2 of the 3 drive gas guzzling, CO2 snorting pre-CAFE regulation beaters.

20mpg is pretty rotten on the environment.
 

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Justin Trudeau’s $4.5 billion Trans Mountain pipeline purchase met with a storm of criticism

OTTAWA—The Liberal government’s $4.5-billion Trans Mountain pipeline purchase was met with swift criticism Tuesday, as environmental groups and Indigenous leaders vowed to keep protesting the controversial expansion project and opposition politicians slammed the move.
“We are absolutely shocked and appalled that Canada is willingly investing taxpayers’ money in such a highly controversial fossil fuel expansion project,” said Grand Chief Stewart Philip, president of the Union of B.C. Indian Chiefs, in an emailed statement. “We will not stand down no matter who buys this ill-fated and exorbitantly priced pipeline.”
On Parliament Hill, Green Party Leader Elizabeth May called the purchase “an historic blunder with taxpayer dollars,” citing a document from the National Energy Board that says Kinder Morgan bought the existing pipeline from its previous owner for $550 million in 2007 — a far cry from what the Texas company will get by selling it to Ottawa, she said.
She also accused Trudeau’s government of writing a “blank cheque” for the pipeline’s construction costs, which Kinder Morgan has previously pegged at $7.4 billion.
“It seems completely insane,” May said. “I’m quite certain that this will go down as an epic financial, economic boondoggle.”
Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer said the decision leaves taxpayers on the hook for Trudeau’s “failure” to manage the energy file. “Kinder Morgan wasn’t asking for the money. They were asking for certainty and a pathway to get the get the project built,” he said. “The prime minister is forcing Canadian taxpayers to pay for his failure.”
The Council of Canadians, meanwhile, attacked Ottawa’s purchase as a “Big Oil bailout” that would not remove obstacles to the pipeline expansion. Greenpeace, in its own statement, said Trudeau’s government has “signed up to captain the Titanic of tar sands oil pipelines, putting it on a collision course with its commitments to Indigenous rights and the Paris climate agreement.”
There were voices of support, however. Canada’s Building Trades Unions lauded the “courage and vision” of the government and said Ottawa can expect to sell the pipeline in the future so that taxpayers won’t lose out.
The Canadian Chamber of Commerce was also supportive of the move, arguing in a statement that it will allow oil companies to sell Alberta bitumen at higher prices and thus bring economic benefits to the country. At the same time, the chamber said the purchase was only necessary because Canada’s regulatory system is “broken” and that urgent changes are needed to ensure the country can still attract investment.

Hey Hoid/Ciffy/MF/BS why didn't the B.C. Gov. have the foresight to buy the pipelines and then cancel the Twin and control the existing for fuel purchases only, I'm sure B.C. taxpayers and FN would have been fine paying $4.5 Billion to get the project cancelled for the good of B.C. environment and citizens
 

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Liberals and NDP pay lip service to environmentalists, and end up doing the same thing Conservatives do, only, costing the taxpayer more money...
 

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Support for Kinder Morgan pipeline expansion grows in B.C. but tanker worries remain: new poll

The proposed expansion of Kinder Morgan’s Trans Mountain pipeline has the support of more than half of British Columbians, but with plenty of caveats, including the minimal impact of threats from Alberta, according to a new poll.

In an online survey conducted Monday and Tuesday of 2,125 Canadian adults — half from British Columbia — the Angus Reid Institute has found that support in B.C. for the project is up to 54 per cent, a considerable jump from the 48 per cent in a similar survey conducted in February.

This support runs through all part of the province, with 50 per cent of Metro Vancouver in favour, 54 per cent on Vancouver Island and 60 per cent of respondents in the rest of B.C.

But support for the idea of a pipeline doesn’t mean British Columbians aren’t worried about its related impacts, according to ARI’s data.

When asked to say which potential risk or danger related to the project they were most worried about, 52 per cent of British Columbians listed an oil tanker spill or accident. Just 12 per cent said they weren’t worried about any of the options listed, including the impact of fossil fuels, risk of pipeline spills, the impact of pipeline construction and tanker traffic “detracting from natural beauty.”




 

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Justin Trudeau’s $4.5 billion Trans Mountain pipeline purchase met with a storm of criticism



Hey Hoid/Ciffy/MF/BS why didn't the B.C. Gov. have the foresight to buy the pipelines and then cancel the Twin and control the existing for fuel purchases only, I'm sure B.C. taxpayers and FN would have been fine paying $4.5 Billion to get the project cancelled for the good of B.C. environment and citizens

Why waste good money and go to all that trouble when you can just sucker your idiot Federal Liberal leader into doing it for you?
 

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Support for Kinder Morgan pipeline expansion grows in B.C. but tanker worries remain: new poll

The proposed expansion of Kinder Morgan’s Trans Mountain pipeline has the support of more than half of British Columbians, but with plenty of caveats, including the minimal impact of threats from Alberta, according to a new poll.

In an online survey conducted Monday and Tuesday of 2,125 Canadian adults — half from British Columbia — the Angus Reid Institute has found that support in B.C. for the project is up to 54 per cent, a considerable jump from the 48 per cent in a similar survey conducted in February.

This support runs through all part of the province, with 50 per cent of Metro Vancouver in favour, 54 per cent on Vancouver Island and 60 per cent of respondents in the rest of B.C.

But support for the idea of a pipeline doesn’t mean British Columbians aren’t worried about its related impacts, according to ARI’s data.

When asked to say which potential risk or danger related to the project they were most worried about, 52 per cent of British Columbians listed an oil tanker spill or accident. Just 12 per cent said they weren’t worried about any of the options listed, including the impact of fossil fuels, risk of pipeline spills, the impact of pipeline construction and tanker traffic “detracting from natural beauty.”





Shit happens, you can't quit living. Where would we be today if Columbus' ship had have sunk in the middle of the Atlantic? :lol:
 

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It may be a blessing in disguise because now we can seriously consider just shutting it down.

How they ever snuck that dilbit crap in is beyond me.

We should not transporting any of that. We should look beyond stopping the expansion and toward shutting down oil altogether.


:lol::lol:.......................so funny you.................as if.

Shit happens, you can't quit living. Where would we be today if Columbus' ship had have sunk in the middle of the Atlantic? :lol:


Probably right where we are right now, JLM..........just celebrating some other explorers discovery of the Americas. Very happy to see that support for the twinning is still rising........especially on the Left Coast and the Island.
 

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:lol::lol:.......................so funny you.................as if.




Probably right where we are right now, JLM..........just celebrating some other explorers discovery of the Americas. Very happy to see that support for the twinning is still rising........especially on the Left Coast and the Island.
The high gas prices affect everyone .