There is no heaven, it ‘is a fairy story,’ Stephen Hawking says

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I bet he can't hit my curve ball.
That's your normal pitch.

Carl Sagan was also an atheist, that doesn't mean his science suffered at all. However, .... he is the one who designed the 'messages' that were sent out of our solar system, an attempt to 'contact others', he had to have had the word 'God' cross his mind more than a few times when designing the messages. That 'area' is defined the home of Angelic beings in the Bible. Finding life (them coming to us) would seem to confirm that the Bible has it right. What happens after that would be the 'bar' to how accurate it about how that event goes when it does happen?

From the articile I skimmed it was more about resurrection than a continuation (aware) of our conscious existence. I doubt smoke retains the memories of when it was a tree in the forest. Resurrection is a reversal where the dead body gets another swing at life, in the most basic term.
 

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This isn't really news. For anyone who cares (and for some who don't) it was already known that he was an atheist. And does it matter that he is? Not really. He's just a scientist. His pronouncements on religion are neither significant nor interesting. Now, if the Pope came out and said the same thing, that would be interesting.

He is the pope of black hole science.
 

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Which ever you desire to deliver, as long as you don't intentionally bean him and let him take the walk. (he also gets to tweak the automatic batter so you can warm up properly. How does that old saying go. what comes from you, comes back to you at 4x the speed,..... or something similar.
 

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Which ever you desire to deliver, as long as you don't intentionally bean him and let him take the walk. (he also gets to tweak the automatic batter so you can warm up properly. How does that old saying go. what comes from you, comes back to you at 4x the speed,..... or something similar.

Maybe I will bean him and set up a DP.

Automatic batter? He doesn't get to use an automatic batter.
 

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Who's on first?

I wonder if the knows the Bible version has all repairs being done to the body, rather than his wheelchair being part of the next phase of eternity?
 

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Pardon me, I did not try to insult you by calling you a scientist by inclusion. I know that you are (or in typical fashion, you consider yourself to be) WAYYYYY above idiots like Copernicus, Einstein or Galileo.

Also Morons!


Stephen Hawkings is a brilliant scientist but scientists are formidably close-minded whilst presuming that they are the greatest intellects in existence. It is an oxymoron to be sure. Scientists are run by the mental field and ego. Not the ego that cocaine dependent, sexually warped Freud defined, erronously, for the world in the early 20th century. Ego is allowing the mind to control one's physical journey which causes that person to believe that only the physical exists. Yes, we live in the 3rd dimension, which is a physical/material plane, but we are much more than a mind. Heaven, as religion describes it, does not exist. Where our current personality ends up post-mortem is dependent upon the individual's thoughts and actions in this world. Everything is energy and all of it vibrates at varying levels. Murder is a very low vibration. Even contemplating murder causes one to vibrate at a low, dense level. Negative emotions: anger, remorse, hatred, intolerance, indifference, attachment to belief systems; fear, envy, judgment (watch out scientists, Christians and Muslims!), self-condemnation, regret, you get the picture... cause one to vibrate very low. We exist in only one of myriad dimensions. When we die our spirit goes to the dimension which vibrates at the same level that we do at the time of our death. There is no heavenly assessment of our life on the other side. We examine our own lives and how each thought, word and action affected those around us .... then we experience the pain or joy that we produced in them through our thoughts and actions. It is simple. Anyway, live a life of basic courtesy without hidden agenda and judgment; treat the planet, yourself and all living things with dignity and respect; live as neutrally as possible and you will exist at a higher level of vibration which will correlate to a matching dimension. Most important die in a neural state for intense emotion causes the vibratory field to become denser. If this is deemed "heaven" then so be it.
Those who harm others and care nothing for other life forms; those who feel entitled (to everything!) and practise self-indulgence in food and environment; those who are self-serving and are willing to sacrifice others to meet their needs; those who are deceitful and harm others' because of it; those who choose to live in violence and create mayhem for entertainment go to the dimensions that are populated with those of their ilk. Call this hell if you wish but it is inaccurate. For those humans dedicated to contributing forms of darkness to the Universal Consciousness and the 3rd dimension, hellish environment is a form of heaven to them. We determine what occurs to our surviving personality by how we conduct ourselves here on Earth, the physical plane. Energy cannot be created nor destroyed, ergo, the personality cannot be destroyed so it must continue on in an appropriate dimension. There is no divine reward or punishment. Religions teach this in order to prevent Enlightenment in the people but the truth is that the Divine Presence lives within each and every one of us. This Divinity is our Inner Light and is allowed to shine and affect our world according, again, to our personal vibration. The lower and denser we vibrate the darker/denser the effect we have upon our world and the less visible the Inner Light. Through self-examination and dedication to allowing our Inner Divine to radiate into our world alters it for the better. We are here to become Enlightened but I will not go into Higher Wisdom here. Suffice to say that anyone can raise their vibrations and access this Wisdom on their own. There is no religion that teaches this. All spiritual wisdom sources from this Divine Core. There is no heaven; there is no hell; there are thousands of dimensions to accomodate the myriad levels of human vibration. You go to what you are when you die. That is that! Amen.

Not at all. Scientists, not the pseudo kind like various religions claim to have from time to time, are very open minded. There is always the question right up until the proof is observed, repeated and undeniable. Religion on the other hand starts off with don't ask questions and ends with "You're not smart enough to know".
 

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In an interview published Monday in The Guardian newspaper, the 69-year-old says the human brain is a like a computer that will stop working when its components fail.

He says: “There is no heaven or afterlife for broken-down computers; that is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark.”

Still on your knees?


but I allready knew all of that, nothing new or surprising there at all.
 

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The belief in heaven is no less absurd than the Norse belied in Valhalla.
"Faith is believing something you know ain't true" - Mark Twain
 

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Man! Stephen Hawking said that huh? Well that does it!
I'm going down to the local parish to call the Padre a lying bum.

[Insert eye-rolly thing here]
 

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Man! Stephen Hawking said that huh? Well that does it!
I'm going down to the local parish to call the Padre a lying bum.

[Insert eye-rolly thing here]
An ignorant bum who doesn't know he's lying. I think Elder came closest to the truth. Ya know what they say, "Listen to your elders."

The belief in heaven is no less absurd than the Norse belied in Valhalla.
"Faith is believing something you know ain't true" - Mark Twain
Twain was way ahead of his time.
 

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The human brain is almost nothing like a computer, Hawking's wrong about that much at least, and even though I'm inclined to agree that he's probably right about heaven having no reality, as a scientist he ought to know better than to make such dogmatic assertions when he doesn't have, and cannot have, the evidence to prove the claim. That assumes he's been accurately quoted of course, but really, a claim like that from a distinguished scientist should be couched in terms of probability and necessity for explaining reality, not stated as a fact. Even so truculent a public atheist as Richard Dawkins titled chapter 4 of his The God Delusion, "Why There Almost Certainly Is No God."
 

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but I allready knew all of that, nothing new or surprising there at all.

Perhaps not to you. What is surprising is the boundless limits some folks go to in order to show that they don't care about the truth as long as they have the comfort of their beliefs. While I don't mind what you believe and support your right to believe what ever it is you want to believe, I do with you would stop insisting that it's the truth and I am a bad person for not agreeing with your beliefs.
 

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So YJ when are you going to provide proof that there is a god? Since you are the one making the ridiculous claim it is up to you to provide proof. Bringing her over for tea will suffice.
 

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So YJ when are you going to provide proof that there is a god? Since you are the one making the ridiculous claim it is up to you to provide proof. Bringing her over for tea will suffice.

What form of a God are you looking for? It could be in the form of superior strength than you previously had. A lot of recovered alcoholics who were previously hopeless can probably provide as much proof as Y.J. Too bad Bill W. (co founder of AA) is not around.