The Coalition Strikes!!!

Machjo

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Honestly, I really don't see the difference between putting ideology first or region first. All parties are guilty of it, not just the Bloc.

The squeaky wheel gets the western grease.

who's stopping you from voting in MPs who will put Alberta first?
 

Durry

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It was pretty clear in the scrum today after Iggy spoke that will probably form a coalation, even if he gets minority he would probably form a coalition to firm up his grip on power.
 

Johnny Utah

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Personally I don't give a **** about 'sides' but le Bloc has got to go.
Yeah screw them they want to break up the Country and the Liberals, NDP are still stupid enough to align themselves with the Bloc to form a coalition. :roll:
 

Colpy

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As for contempt for the Bloc specificaly, I just don't get it. Though I'm not much of a fan of partisan politics per se, I don't see the difference between a bloc supported by Quebec sovereignists and a Conservative Party often backed by xenophobes who want to kick Quebec out and marginalize the legitimate democratically elected representatives of the people of Quebec in parliament.

If the goal is to promote canadian unity, certainly marginalizing the legitimate representatives of the Quebec people in Parliament is the way to do it.


Ah, my friend, allow me to enlighten you........there is a difference.

The Bloc Quebecois is not simply a national party supported by some separatists, it is a single-issue, one-region-only party dedicated to the destruction of the Canadian nation.....in fact, the destruction of our nation is their very reason for existence.

The Conservative Party is a national, middle of the road party with a larger representation in Parliament than any other, that represents every region of Canada better than any other party............and I've NEVER heard a Conservative Party member speak of throwing Quebec out. EVER!

Talk about lies and fear-mongering!

the staples of Liberal existence.......

Here it is in a nutshell...IF the Liberals would join in a coalition that includes the BQ.....they need to SAY SO.

Instead, they are trying very hard to get Iggy on as PM under false pretenses.

Talk about contempt!!!!!! Not only for Parliament, but for the nation and the people.
 
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FiveParadox

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Way to foam at the mouth in rabid fearmongering, Colpy!

First, members of the Liberal Party of Canada have stated that they're seeking to win the election that is about to begin--not to coalesce with other parties to take power, but to win single-handedly. Just to be paint this picture a bit more accurately, though--should every measure that the Conservative Party of Canada passed, only due to the support of the Bloc Quebecois, be thrown out as illegitimate? Are the Conservatives not just as guilty, then, for what you're attacking the Liberals for? Do you not remember Stephen Harper, when Opposition Leader, courting the Bloc to form a coalition against the Martin Liberals?
 

DaSleeper

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Way to foam at the mouth in rabid fearmongering, Colpy!

First, members of the Liberal Party of Canada have stated that they're seeking to win the election that is about to begin--not to coalesce with other parties to take power, but to win single-handedly. Just to be paint this picture a bit more accurately, though--should every measure that the Conservative Party of Canada passed, only due to the support of the Bloc Quebecois, be thrown out as illegitimate? Are the Conservatives not just as guilty, then, for what you're attacking the Liberals for? Do you not remember Stephen Harper, when Opposition Leader, courting the Bloc to form a coalition against the Martin Liberals?

Guess I'll have to find when the advance poll is scheduled in my area..I'm sceduled for minor surgery in Toronto on May 2nd.....

Just one more vote against the Liberals
 

Nuggler

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8OWHAT!!!
OH NO!!
SAY IT AIN'T SO!!
A non-confidence motion shutting down a government before it could be found in contempt!!!

Maybe the next lying, cheating, dickwads will be better than the lying, cheating, dickwads we just chucked...................

Guess we'll see.

Hey, 300 mill. is less than the cost of the G20 and the fake lake. And the jets.

Don't worry. Be happy.:roll:


P.S.: the Cons were ready to do a coalition a few years ago.
 

Machjo

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Ah, my friend, allow me to enlighten you........there is a difference.

The Bloc Quebecois is not simply a national party supported by some separatists, it is a single-issue, one-region-only party dedicated to the destruction of the Canadian nation.....in fact, the destruction of our nation is their very reason for existence.

So now a party must specify a minimum number of issues it intends to cover before it can be elected? Now honestly I have not looked much into the Bloc's overall policy platform, and I doubt sovereignty is its sole issue that has won it so many votes. But for the sake of argument, let's suppose it is in fact the case. so, who are we to now dictate how Quebecers are to vote, and which Mps can form coalitions with which MPs?

The Conservative Party is a national, middle of the road party with a larger representation in Parliament than any other, that represents every region of Canada better than any other party
In relative terms, agreed.

............and I've NEVER heard a Conservative Party member speak of throwing Quebec out. EVER!

I don't know about party members, but I'm well aware of supporters who hate Quebec. I can think of some I know personally here in Ottawa.

Talk about lies and fear-mongering!

What lies and fear mongering? Who's talking about the sky falling if we should allow the 'separatists' to have a democratic voice in parliament? What I say is true based on my own observations of some Conservative suppoerters that I know, even if i can't confirm if they are card-carrying members.

the staples of Liberal existence.......

1. i'm not a member of the Liberal Party.

2. Though I'd have no qualms about voting for a Liberal candidate who is worthy of my vote, as it happens i've never voted for a Liberal candidate yet. Good try.

Here it is in a nutshell...IF the Liberals would join in a coalition that includes the BQ.....they need to SAY SO.

No, they don't 'need' to say so. That said, I'd like to vote for a more open and honest candidate. If my local Liberal candidate can't give a straightforward answer, he'd not likely to get my vote either. I do admire Layton for having been more open about coalition, though he's not in my riding so I'll have to keep an eye out for my local Dipper too.

Instead, they are trying very hard to get Iggy on as PM under false pretenses.

Depending on who 'thay' is, I can agree with you that that is the impression.

Talk about contempt!!!!!! Not only for Parliament, but for the nation and the people.

Again, should Iggy not be honest on this, that looks bad on him but not necessarily his party, any more than Harper is necessarily a reflection of each local Conservative candidate.

but if the conservatives want my vote, they'd better present me with a more worthy candidate than my local MP.
 

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So now a party must specify a minimum number of issues it intends to cover before it can be elected? Now honestly I have not looked much into the Bloc's overall policy platform, and I doubt sovereignty is its sole issue that has won it so many votes. But for the sake of argument, let's suppose it is in fact the case. so, who are we to now dictate how Quebecers are to vote, and which Mps can form coalitions with which MPs?

We are the people...........and we deserve to know if we are electing to government of our country a party dedicated to the destruction of that same country....

That seems kinda obvious to me.

A simple fix for the Liberals........just come out now and categorically state that there will be no coalition that depends on the BQ for support. Simple enough, fair enough, and the subject is dropped.

If they will NOT do that, you know they are heading down a road that, in my opinion, borders on sedition.

What lies and fear mongering? Who's talking about the sky falling if we should allow the 'separatists' to have a democratic voice in parliament? What I say is true based on my own observations of some Conservative suppoerters that I know, even if i can't confirm if they are card-carrying members.

Have you EVER heard of me saying the BQ should not be allowed to take their seats in Parliament?

No, you haven't. The people of Quebec have every right to elect to Parliament whomever they please.

And the people of Canada have every right to keep those representatives out of government. Which they WILL do, if that is their choice. It is up to the Count to make his intentions clear. As it stands now, it appears the Count has a seditious hidden agenda.

Just SAY IT, Count Iggy.....I'll believe you either way........


1. i'm not a member of the Liberal Party.

2. Though I'd have no qualms about voting for a Liberal candidate who is worthy of my vote, as it happens i've never voted for a Liberal candidate yet. Good try.

I apologize....damn, I hate to label someone a Liberal that has not sunk so low. :)

(Just kidding, Five)

No, they don't 'need' to say so. That said, I'd like to vote for a more open and honest candidate. If my local Liberal candidate can't give a straightforward answer, he'd not likely to get my vote either. I do admire Layton for having been more open about coalition, though he's not in my riding so I'll have to keep an eye out for my local Dipper too.

Absolutely, at least the NDP are being honest about it.


Again, should Iggy not be honest on this, that looks bad on him but not necessarily his party, any more than Harper is necessarily a reflection of each local Conservative candidate.

but if the conservatives want my vote, they'd better present me with a more worthy candidate than my local MP.

Fair enough.

Way to foam at the mouth in rabid fearmongering, Colpy!

First, members of the Liberal Party of Canada have stated that they're seeking to win the election that is about to begin--not to coalesce with other parties to take power, but to win single-handedly. Just to be paint this picture a bit more accurately, though--should every measure that the Conservative Party of Canada passed, only due to the support of the Bloc Quebecois, be thrown out as illegitimate? Are the Conservatives not just as guilty, then, for what you're attacking the Liberals for? Do you not remember Stephen Harper, when Opposition Leader, courting the Bloc to form a coalition against the Martin Liberals?

Why, Thank you, Five!

expect much more over the next 5 weeks.

BTW nice load of BS in the body of your post.........there is more chance that the Count will be struck by lightning than he will win this election.

And yes, any coalition that depends solely on the BQ is completely unacceptable, and I don't care WHO is in bed with the Devil. The other coalition did NOT happen, if it had, I would have quit the party in a heartbeat, and worked for their defeat. Maybe even joined the Liberals, if no other alternative rose from the disgust good Canadians would feel in such a situation.

Remember Mulroney and Reform. We killed him. Not the Liberals.
 

Machjo

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I wonder how many folk will land flat on their arses with an NDP minority?

Honestly, I'd have more respect for a candidate or MP who unequivocally expresses a willingness to work with parliament, including by forming a coalition, over one with a more combative all-or-nothing my way or the highway approach to Parliament.

to take an example, let's suppose the NDP won a plurality of the seats in the House but all the other parties were willing to form a coalition, I would hope the NDP could do the gentlemanly thing and hand it over to the majority of the House and not turn democracy into a childish game of brinksmanship leading to yet another election. And of course I think this principle should apply to any party, with the plurality party bowing to the majority coalition.

Parliament needs to work together and not act like a bunch of spoilt kindergarteners.
 

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Speaking of coalitions in BC there is a conservative/liberal coalition under the Liberal
banner, In Saskatchewan the Saskatchewan party quietly endures as a coalition
government and Federally the Reform party formed a coalition with the Conservatives
led by Harper. Oh God coalitions are everywhere.
Personally I will support any coalition that would be formed to make sure that little
social conservative leader Harper does not become Prime Minister again. I don't
llike some of the others either but this particular government has to go. And now is as
good a time as any to rid ourselves of him. I will support Jack because I could never
vote Liberal.
My father used to tell a story about a guy who was walking in the woods and a tree fell
on him. He lay there until just before dark, he could hear the wolves in the woods just
waiting for sundown and new he was a goner. All of a sudden he remembered he had
once voted Liberal and he felt so small he was able to slide out from under the fallen log
and go home.
Can't support the current Liberal machine, can't support a social conservative for PM so
Jack it is. Yes with a coalition Iggy would likely be the Prime Minister but he would have
some checks and balances, if we elect Harper with a majority, we have no checks and
balances. Fiscal Conservatives and social conservatives are different creatures altogether.
and therefore I would never vote Harper.
 

Colpy

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The Count has blown it again, and guaranteed us a Conservative government, be it a minority or majority.

Silly man.

He came out today and announced "No coalition"......a move that was simply stupid. The guy just doesn't have it together, for all his brains.

What he needed to say was "No coalition that includes the BQ in any way". He has now shut the door on a Liberal/NDP coalition as well. That was just plain stupid, as a Lib/NDP coalition is perfectly acceptable.

My heart is light with joy.........except that a Conservative majority will be slightly more difficult to achieve now.........

Oh, and I guess this thread is effectively irrelevant now.......
 

relic

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You harpercrits will believe anything,steve is the only one talking about a coalition,the usual scare tactics.
 

DaSleeper

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I love Glenn Beck!! He's a bizzare at times, and I still enjoy watching him - but he's right about a lot of things too! I personally don't think people give him enough credit.

JMO

Now You just alienated all the liberals in this forum....