Sixth Annual Israeli Apartheid Week
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There are too many deaths for it to be 'just' apartheid.
There were options built into the original land grab plan. For all the UN Resolutions against either side over the last 60 years which ones were followed just because it was 'the right thing to do'? Since Israel has the greater number there should be a higher probability that they would abide to the majority recommendation on at least one resolution. I will remind you that these resolution are only for the most serious incidents over that time-span.
Had the US not veoted every one of those resolutions would the 'binding solution' have involved UN troops operating on the soil of Israel, Gaza and/or the West Bank and could people (political leaders as well as 'fighters') have faced war-crimes charges? Surely having a few executed over the years would have decreased the amount of violence that todays politicians find 'acceptable'.
That's a good question, would part of the answer include such things as having 'special areas' for 'special people' called reservations?
Does Israel have a 'special status' over Palestine (Gaza and the West Bank). Are words against Palestinians 'prosecuted' to the extent that is equal to that of speaking words against Israel. That Native guy from Sask who recently passed away is the best example I can think of.
Minority rights apply to people getting positions based on equal qualifications. If 5 Chinese journey mechanics apply for 5 positions and one 2nd year apprentice from Scotland applies I can hire the 5 fully qualified mechanics, too bad for the Scotsman unless he signs a form that puts him in court over a bad repair job that causes serious damages to machines and people.
I agree with this Apartheid expert:
Apartheid in the Holy Land
The Guardian, Monday 29 April 2002
Desmond Tutu
Desmond Tutu is the former Archbishop of Cape Town and chairman of South Africa's truth and reconciliation commission:
In our struggle against apartheid, the great supporters were Jewish people. They almost instinctively had to be on the side of the disenfranchised, of the voiceless ones, fighting injustice, oppression and evil. I have continued to feel strongly with the Jews. I am patron of a Holocaust centre in South Africa. I believe Israel has a right to secure borders.
What is not so understandable, not justified, is what it did to another people to guarantee its existence. I've been very deeply distressed in my visit to the Holy Land; it reminded me so much of what happened to us black people in South Africa. I have seen the humiliation of the Palestinians at checkpoints and roadblocks, suffering like us when young white police officers prevented us from moving about.
On one of my visits to the Holy Land I drove to a church with the Anglican bishop in Jerusalem. I could hear tears in his voice as he pointed to Jewish settlements. I thought of the desire of Israelis for security. But what of the Palestinians who have lost their land and homes?
I have experienced Palestinians pointing to what were their homes, now occupied by Jewish Israelis. I was walking with Canon Naim Ateek (the head of the Sabeel Ecumenical Centre) in Jerusalem. He pointed and said: "Our home was over there. We were driven out of our home; it is now occupied by Israeli Jews."
My heart aches. I say why are our memories so short. Have our Jewish sisters and brothers forgotten their humiliation? Have they forgotten the collective punishment, the home demolitions, in their own history so soon? Have they turned their backs on their profound and noble religious traditions? Have they forgotten that God cares deeply about the downtrodden?
Israel will never get true security and safety through oppressing another people. A true peace can ultimately be built only on justice. We condemn the violence of suicide bombers, and we condemn the corruption of young minds taught hatred; but we also condemn the violence of military incursions in the occupied lands, and the inhumanity that won't let ambulances reach the injured.
The military action of recent days, I predict with certainty, will not provide the security and peace Israelis want; it will only intensify the hatred.
Israel has three options: revert to the previous stalemated situation; exterminate all Palestinians; or - I hope - to strive for peace based on justice, based on withdrawal from all the occupied territories, and the establishment of a viable Palestinian state on those territories side by side with Israel, both with secure borders.
We in South Africa had a relatively peaceful transition. If our madness could end as it did, it must be possible to do the same everywhere else in the world. If peace could come to South Africa, surely it can come to the Holy Land?
My brother Naim Ateek has said what we used to say: "I am not pro- this people or that. I am pro-justice, pro-freedom. I am anti- injustice, anti-oppression."
But you know as well as I do that, somehow, the Israeli government is placed on a pedestal [in the US], and to criticise it is to be immediately dubbed anti-semitic, as if the Palestinians were not semitic. I am not even anti-white, despite the madness of that group. And how did it come about that Israel was collaborating with the apartheid government on security measures?
People are scared in this country [the US], to say wrong is wrong because the Jewish lobby is powerful - very powerful. Well, so what? For goodness sake, this is God's world! We live in a moral universe. The apartheid government was very powerful, but today it no longer exists. Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Pinochet, Milosevic, and Idi Amin were all powerful, but in the end they bit the dust.
Injustice and oppression will never prevail. Those who are powerful have to remember the litmus test that God gives to the powerful: what is your treatment of the poor, the hungry, the voiceless? And on the basis of that, God passes judgment.
We should put out a clarion call to the government of the people of Israel, to the Palestinian people and say: peace is possible, peace based on justice is possible. We will do all we can to assist you to achieve this peace, because it is God's dream, and you will be able to live amicably together as sisters and brothers.
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Desmond Tutu is the former Archbishop of Cape Town and chairman of South Africa's truth and reconciliation commission. This address was given at a conference on Ending the Occupation held in Boston, Massachusetts, earlier this month. A longer version appears in the current edition of Church Times.
Apartheid in the Holy Land | World news | The Guardian
EAO - You would agree with anyone that supports your view - What a fuhin suprise you are.
How was it possible that a belligerent black man could become Archbishop of Cape Town in an apartheid system?
This phony 'clergyman' has always had the habit to bite the hand that fed him.
I named my cat Tutu. Then I apologized to him for being insensitive.
This phony 'clergyman' has always had the habit to bite the hand that fed him.
I named my cat Tutu. Then I apologized to him for being insensitive.
Hold on...Hold on...I am actually an admirer of Desmond Tutu.....
The archbishop of anywhere is promoted to that position by the church , not the state.......
So Apartheid had nothing to do with it....
"When the white man arrived, we had the land and he had the bibles, he said "Let us Pray", but when we opened our eyes, he had the land, and we had the bibles"....Desmond Tutu
Hold on...Hold on...I am actually an admirer of Desmond Tutu.....
The archbishop of anywhere is promoted to that position by the church , not the state.......
So Apartheid had nothing to do with it....
"When the white man arrived, we had the land and he had the bibles, he said "Let us Pray", but when we opened our eyes, he had the land, and we had the bibles"....Desmond Tutu
As for EAO's list of those that equated Israel's actions to aspects of Apartheid....that is a long long long way from saying Israel is Apartheid......as they due in the annual Jew-haters week known as Israel Apartheid week.....
Foe example: Aspects of Canada's current policy on aboriginals are similar to apartheid...but try to remove aboriginal "status"
Likewise with ANY nation with a recognized minority.........and, BTW, in South Africa, blacks were by far the majority.....only 20% in Israel.
When the Jews arrived in Palestine the Arabs had the land and they had the guns. The ways of the whitemen is well know, they lie from the start and their goal is to take the land for themselves."When the white man arrived, we had the land and he had the bibles, he said "Let us Pray", but when we opened our eyes, he had the land, and we had the bibles"....Desmond Tutu
BTW the Mexicans thought Texas was empty, the Alamo showed them they were wrong.
"When NASA was preparing for the Apollo Project, it took the astronauts to a Navajo reservation in Arizona for training.
One day, a Navajo elder and his son came across the space crew walking among the rocks.
The elder, who spoke only Navajo, asked a question.
His son translated for the NASA people: "What are these guys in the big suits doing?"
One of the astronauts said that they were practicing for a trip to the moon.
When his son relayed this comment the Navajo elder got all excited and asked if it would be possible to give
to the astronauts a message to deliver to the moon.
Recognizing a promotional opportunity when he saw one, a NASA official accompanying the astronauts
said, "Why certainly!" and told an underling to get a tape recorder.
The Navajo elder's comments into the microphone were brief. The NASA official asked the son if he would translate what his father had said.
The son listened to the recording and laughed uproariously. But he refused to translate. So the NASA people took the tape to a nearby Navajo village and played it for other members of the tribe. They too laughed long and loudly but also refused to translate the elder's message to the moon.
Finally, an official government translator was summoned. After he finally stopped laughing
the translator relayed the message:
"Watch out for these assholes. They have come to steal your land." "
The stats in this link cover the period on question (pre 1880 - 1950)
By 1948, there were approximately 1.35 million Arabs and 650,000 Jews living between the Jordan and the Mediterranean,
MidEast Web - Population of Palestine
Once the trials start this the saying will go away.
The stats show Jews were the minority till some 700,000plus were killed or chased away from their homes in less than 6 months. To get the real picture you have to start at 1880, that is when the actual push for a Jewish homeland began. Sort of like the early fur-trader days in Canada's history.
Israel is clearly a state entity practicing open apartheid in violation of international law in illegally occupied Palestine.These times are rife with fanatic defenders of zionist crimes against humanity. What can the famous invocation "never again" mean when Israelis who mouth the words commit the same crimes that the words were meant to address? Nothing, they are as empty of meaning as Israels future. Israels continued criminal apartheid existence darkens the lives of all other human beings as it stretches the meaning of tolerance beyond good taste. If it is permitted, there in Palestine, it will surly become the norm for the rest of the planet signaling officially, the universal caste system of the twenty-first century. Fornicate Israel and all supporters of genocide.
I will personally rent any Zionist supporter an excavator and send them off to the nearest subjugated Canadian residential area and instruct them to start knocking down homes without informing the people inside.
How long do you think you'll live afterwards?
How long do you think you'll live afterwards?
"Justice is sometimes slow but when it comes........"
.....the Arab suicide/homicide bombers and their misbegotten children will realize that negotiatons and sober second thought would have been preferable to killing, hatred, bigotry and religious blindness.
.....the Arab suicide/homicide bombers and their misbegotten children will realize that negotiatons and sober second thought would have been preferable to killing, hatred, bigotry and religious blindness.
It is already the norm in the rest of the world when a conquest of the land is the only desired goal, South America had a wave of death-squads courtesy of the US Gov. First order of business kill all those that oppose you.
In Canada those who've tried have died including police who tried to support the developers.
What is different?
What drove that person to wear a belt? Watching his father have his teeth kicked out then being shot infront of that kid's eyes? Watching his sister die from diabetes while she waits days at a check point to get her medicine although all her papers are good and isn't from a known terrorist family?
petros, when you are resorting to reply to your own posts, (#297) you are displaying your own weak ness and the weakness of your arguments.
The only houses/buildings the Israelis destroyed by bulldozers and excavators are the ones they built themselves, and had to hand over to the Arabs in some land deal concession.
And why should not those houses have been destroyed? The Arabs did not build them. Why should they enjoy the fruits of the labour of the Israelis?
The only houses/buildings the Israelis destroyed by bulldozers and excavators are the ones they built themselves, and had to hand over to the Arabs in some land deal concession.
And why should not those houses have been destroyed? The Arabs did not build them. Why should they enjoy the fruits of the labour of the Israelis?
Who built the homes in Gaza YJ? Who? You? Zionists? What are Zionists doing building houses in Gaza? Are you drunk already? It's 20 after 10 for **** sakes?