Sixth Annual Israeli Apartheid Week

Are all human being entitled to fundamental human rights?

  • Yes, all people are entitled to food, clothing, shelter, medicine...

    Votes: 11 64.7%
  • No, only some people are entitled to human rights.

    Votes: 1 5.9%
  • Palestinians don't qualify as human beings.

    Votes: 5 29.4%

  • Total voters
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YukonJack

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"What drove that person to wear a belt? Watching his father have his teeth kicked out then being shot infront of that kid's eyes? Watching his sister die from diabetes while she waits days at a check point to get her medicine although all her papers are good and isn't from a known terrorist family?"

It takes demented idiot to think that killing himself (or in typical Arab/Muslim fashion, sending his kid to kill himself) will bring good results.
 

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Who built the homes in Gaza YJ? Who? You? Zionists? What are Zionists doing building houses in Gaza? Are you drunk already? It's 20 after 10 for **** sakes?

Ahhh....there are NO Jewish settlers or Israeli military in "occupied" Gaza.......they left years ago, only to be followed by thousands of rockets.

So much for giving the Palestinians a chance.
 

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"What drove that person to wear a belt? Watching his father have his teeth kicked out then being shot infront of that kid's eyes? Watching his sister die from diabetes while she waits days at a check point to get her medicine although all her papers are good and isn't from a known terrorist family?"

It takes demented idiot to think that killing himself (or in typical Arab/Muslim fashion, sending his kid to kill himself) will bring good results.

Guess what Jack Canadians kids have been sent to war many times to die for TPTB, and every one of them was told that their sacrifice would bring good results. It isn't a typical Muslim fashion but viewers of CNN are misinformed with regularity.
 

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petros, when you are resorting to reply to your own posts, (#297) you are displaying your own weak ness and the weakness of your arguments.

The only houses/buildings the Israelis destroyed by bulldozers and excavators are the ones they built themselves, and had to hand over to the Arabs in some land deal concession.

And why should not those houses have been destroyed? The Arabs did not build them. Why should they enjoy the fruits of the labour of the Israelis?

WRong YJ

When Isreal did turn over land they left all the equipment and buildings intact - The upper levl PLO officials plundered fully operational greenhouse that employed many - a few got rich and as anywhere - the average people suffered -
 

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They forgot the security they provide at most American airports since April of '01, say what??

SIDS is cured by keeping the nursing baby with the parents so they have the sound of a heartbeat to keep their own heart beating while in a deep sleep. Even kittens get an noisy clock to listen to to ease their separation from the comfort of the litter.
 
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They forgot the security they provide at most American airports since April of '01, say what??

SIDS is cured by keeping the nursing baby with the parents so they have the sound of a heartbeat to keep their own heart beating while in a deep sleep. Even kittens get an noisy clock to listen to to ease their separation from the comfort of the litter.
Thier is no 100% proceedure that guarantes SIDS will not happen

Did you note during the brouhaha that the PLO were kind enough to hold off naming that square during the VP's visit for a Martyr - Killing 39 Isreal's including children - The PLO state that she is a role model for all Palestinians - How do you negotiate with group think of Genocide.
 

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It seems a tad racist just to keep those 'requirements' and stats in the first place. In an equal opportunity society those stats mean nothing, whoever is best for the position is the one who should get the position.

Like loose fitting jeans. You have been proven wrong.
 

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The UN SG just toured Gaza. Here is what he has to say about what he saw:

Israel fostering extremism in Gaza with blockade
Ban Ki-Moon, the United Nations secretary general, has warned Israel that its blockade of Gaza is "empowering extremists" in the coastal enclave.


21 Mar 2010

Speaking during a tour of Gaza, Mr Ban sought to increase international pressure on Israel by deploring the scale of human suffering in the Palestinian territory and calling on Benjamin Netanyahu's government to end Jewish settlement construction in East Jerusalem.

Amid renewed calls from the United States to ease the blockade of Gaza, the secretary general urged Israel to act both out of compassion and in response to its own security needs.

"I have repeatedly made it quite clear to Israel's leaders that the Israeli policy of closure if not sustainable and that it is wrong," he said. "It causes unacceptable sufferings to the people and population."

"The policy is also counter-productive. It prevents legitimate commerce and encourages smuggling. It undercuts moderates and empowers extremists."

Saying it needed to protect itself from frequent rocket attacks from Gaza, Israel imposed its blockade in mid-2007 after the Islamist movement Hamas seized the territory from Fatah, the moderate party of Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian leader.

But human rights organisations say that the restrictions have stunted economic development, caused widespread humanitarian suffering and amount to collective punishment.

Mr Ban visited parts of Gaza that were destroyed when Israeli forces invaded the territory in December, 2008 following an upsurge in Hamas rocket attacks. He described the scenes as "distressing".

In recent days, against the backdrop of a serious diplomatic dispute with the United States, Israel has agreed to allow the UN to rebuild 150 homes, a flour mill and a sewage treatment plant destroyed during the Israeli operation. Mr Ban welcomed the progress, but noted that it was "only a drop in the bucket."

Mr Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, on Sunday indicated his acquiescence to some of the demands made by the United States in the wake of a row triggered by a decision to expand a Jewish settlement in East Jerusalem, which Israeli captured in the 1967 Six Day war.

He reportedly pledged to relax some of the restrictions on Gaza and release several hundred Palestinian prisoners (Note: they people could also be called hostages, in that they have never been charged with a crime or accused of a crime, they include Palestinian politicians, and leaders, and family members like wives and children of people of interest) as part of a series of "confidence building" concessions he was asked to make by Hillary Clinton, the US secretary of state.

But Mr Netanyahu also rejected Mrs Clinton's core demand by refusing to reverse plans to build 1,600 new homes in the East Jerusalem settlement of Ramat Shlomo or to halt all Jewish construction in the predominantly Arab portion of the city, seen by Palestinians as their future capital.

Just hours before he headed to Washington for talks with President Barack Obama and other senior US officials, Mr Netanyahu vowed not to back down on East Jerusalem, which he claimed was as Jewish as the rest of Israel.

"Construction in Jerusalem is like construction in Tel Aviv and we have clarified that for the American government," he said.

Although the Obama administration has markedly softened its rhetoric towards Israel in recent days, it is far from clear that it will cede ground to Mr Netanyahu on East Jerusalem -- a concession that could be seen as an embarrassing climb-down.

Mr Ban, who is due to meet Mr Netanyahu later on Sunday, added his voice to the international condemnation of Israel's construction activities in East Jerusalem, which is seen by many as a contravention of articles in the Geneva Conventions governing the administration of occupied territory.

"The world has condemned Israel's settlement plans in East Jerusalem," he said. "Let us be clear. All settlement activity is illegal anywhere in occupied territory and must be stopped."

Israel fostering extremism in Gaza with blockade - Telegraph
 

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Here is what I have to say:

What the hell happened to you EAO? Can you even seriously believe this is any way rational?

Look at the poll choices! Do you really think there is no rational side to the Israeli half of the equation? That everyone there is some flesh rending demon that feeds on baby flesh and doesn't consider Palestinians people?

Do you really think that hundreds of millions of people who go to work day to day are that nuts? Seriously?

Then lets look at the nice rational discussion killing photos showing mindless comparison of Nazi's and Israeli soldiers.

OMG! Both the Israeli soldiers and Nazi soldiers RAN! I know in our military we skip to and from danger.

And look! Both militaries point guns of some sort at things! The horror! I can see now how they are the same! Does that mean that none of the images of valid? Unfortunately yes since once you've stooped to that low nothing that is said or posted really matters. If you would stoop to that level, why should I believe you haven't photoshopped everything? Why should I believe anything you say about you or your cause?



Here is what I do know. Starting in the 1840's large numbers of Jews started immigrating with the consent of the ruling government but without the consent of all of the indiginous population.s (the Ok of the Ottoman Empire, but not the Arab tribes, though they did have support from Jewish tribes). They quickly began outnumbering the Arab tribes who had the usual reaction that locals have to foreigners (both the local hate crime we see against immigrants, and the reaction metis and first nations had against european settlers).

This eventually came to a head between their descendants resulting in a war in which the 3 state solution (Israel, Jerusalem and Jordan) became a two state with Egypt jumping in to take Gaza. Later wars played tug of war on this land and whom was illegally occupying which piece of Jerusalem.

Jerusalem being the lynch-pin since both sides demand to have control of it, with the problem that neither side has rights to it.

Jordan (from which Palestine is an offshoot) occupied it illegally for 20 years and then Israel for 40.

Now Palestine wants to illegally occupy it instead of Israel and neither will budge. Much like if American the USSR had been bickering over who got to occupy Canada illegally in the cold war.

My sympathy lies between S*%^ and Syphillis in the dictionary for the Palestinians. You start throwing bombs around and you get what you get. You want to attack Israel? Go for it.

Quite frankly I would find it pretty hypocritical to slam Israel for being built upon stolen land, we live on stolen land and the land was more or less stolen at the same time in the same manner we stole it.

Every member on the security council shares the same story. America is our story, the UK has Northern Ireland, France with Basque and several remaining colonies, China has Tibet and East Turkmenistan and Russia has Chechnya and parts of Georgia.

And Palestine? Palestine demands to occupy Jerusalem. Well heres my view, I don't care where your ancestors came from, you are a citizen of the land you are born on.

Palestinian refugees are not refugees, they are second class citizens in the countries they live in. Israeli's are not 'illegal immigrants', they were born on the country as were their parents, grandparents and so forth.

Deal, and if you want to fight about I see no reason to help out. Don't get me wrong, I'm not out to directly harm Palestine either, if they manage to dig themselves out of their S%#$-storm I welcome them as business and trade partners as we do with Israel. But I wouldn't support stopping any existing help we provide to Israel nor boosting any aide to them unless it is Canada's best interest (directly) to do so.

They have dreams of a Nation, good for them but I don't care. No nation gets built without warfare including our own (we didn't fight Britain but the land wasn't empty when we got here). They want to live in quiet luxury and comfort? Stop fighting and give in, abandon dreams of occupying East Jerusalem, take what you can get and build up. Not saying thats the right choice for them but its their choice, fight in the mud for a big nation and bright flag or settle for peace. Its called settling for peace for a reason.
 

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(in part)
"The 18th Knesset is affected by elected officials acting openly to damage Arabs' civil rights," added Mossawa Center's Director Jafar Farah. "Knesset members with extremist opinions are applying their world views with almost no disturbance and do not encounter enough opposition. They promote discriminatory and racist legislation that paints Arab citizens of the State of Israel as a demographic threat."
The report lists the outstanding bills in that were on the public agenda throughout the year:



  • Academic scholarships for soldiers who served in combat units – initiated by MK Robert Tiviaev (Yisrael Beiteinu) and MK Arieh Eldad (National Union)




  • Amendment of the Citizenship Law stipulating that a person who committed an act that violated loyalty to the State of Israel may have his citizenship revoked by the Interior Minister – initiated by MKs David Azoulay and Avraham Michaeli (Shas)


  • Nakba Law, which makes it possible to revoke government funding for organizations acting "against the principles of the State" – initiated by MK Alex Miller (Yisrael Beiteinu) and passed in its first reading


  • Loyalty bill, which suggested amending the Citizenship Law to condition citizenship on a declaration of loyalty to the State – initiated by MK David Rotem (Yisrael Beiteinu). The bill was knocked down in the Ministerial Committee on Legislative Affairs.

The bills were initiated by all parties from the center and the Right – Likud, National Union, Habayit Hayehudi, Yisrael Beiteinu, Shas, and even Kadima. The report's authors also mentioned Transportation Minister Yisrael Katz's initiative to make English and Arabic transliterations of Hebrew terms on all traffic signs.
Report: Current Knesset most racist of all time - Israel News, Ynetnews
 

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What can I say Z? You just expressed support of Israel causing 1.5 million people to suffer plague, famine, death and destruction. You ignore 43 years of preceding oppression and injustice, which led to the current situation.

Anyone who supports what Israel does to these people is either ignorant, or callous and cruel.

The lesson I learned from the Holocaust is the same one I learned from Rwanda. At the time atrocities happen, most people don't say or do anything out of a combination of ignorance and apathy.

I won't remain silent while fellow human beings suffer cruelly. I am ashamed that the Canadian government unshakably supports Israel's war crimes and crimes against humanity and now seeks to criminalize criticism of them.

You haven't been here lately, but I suspect you never read the Goldstone report. I'm going to make the assumption that you are ignorant of its contents rather than callous and cruel.

Please take a few minutes to read the report and get an informed opinion.
United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza conflict

I'd like to hear your opinion regarding the IDF filling pits next to tanks and artillery with handcuffed civilians including women and children as they shell their relatives for days and weeks on end while the children suffered exposure, thirst, hunger as they crapped and pissed themselves. Its in the above report and detailed in European news.

I'd like to hear your comments regarding the IDF seizing people's homes, handcuffing them on the main floor as they used the upper floors as command and control operations and sniper positions. also in the report.

I'd also like you to comment regarding the IDF using living people including children as protective cover as they advance on enemy positions, and using children under gunpoint to knock on doors and scout for bobby traps. Also in the report.

While you are at it, please comment on Israel's use of chemical weapons which melts human flesh on contact in densely populated areas full of women and children and against UN evacuation shelters filled with civilians. Also in the report.


Also, comment on the IDF shooting at ambulances, medics, doctors and hospitals...

Do you think this story crosses any lines?

Red Cross finds starving children with 12 corpses in Gaza 'house of horrors'


(Reuters)



The ICRC believes there are more wounded sheltering in the ruins of shelled houses in Gaza and has demanded that the Israeli military provide access for a search




Martin Fletcher, in Jerusalem

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The International Committee of the Red Cross has accused the Israeli military of "unacceptable" conduct and breaching international humanitarian law after discovering four emaciated children living next to the corpses of their mothers and other adults in bomb-shattered houses in Gaza City.


The ICRC said that it had spent four days seeking Israeli guarantees of safe passage so that it could gain access to the houses in the badly damaged Zaytun neighbourhood of the city. It was finally allowed to send in a rescue team and four Palestine Red Crescent Society ambulances yesterday afternoon and said today that what they found was shocking.


In one house they discovered four small children, alive but too weak to stand, next to the bodies of their dead mothers. In all their were 12 dead bodies lying on mattresses.
In another house they found 15 survivors of the Israeli bombardment, several of them wounded, and in a third, three corpses. At that point they were ordered to leave by Israeli soldiers manning a post some 80 metres away, but they refused to do so...


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article5474016.ece
Then there is the IDF's senseless destruction of water towers (out of boredom according to IDF testimony) as people are dying of thirst. The IDF's destruction of farms, food processing plants, water and sewage treatment facilities.... all done deliberately without any military purpose what so ever. In their own words here:
Breaking The Silence - Israeli soldiers talk about the occupied territories - Testimonies


So after you read the report and the IDF soldier testimony, please report back with an informed opinion and we'll debate this issue.
 

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Here is what I have to say:

What the hell happened to you EAO? Can you even seriously believe this is any way rational?

Look at the poll choices! Do you really think there is no rational side to the Israeli half of the equation? That everyone there is some flesh rending demon that feeds on baby flesh and doesn't consider Palestinians people?

Do you really think that hundreds of millions of people who go to work day to day are that nuts? Seriously?

Then lets look at the nice rational discussion killing photos showing mindless comparison of Nazi's and Israeli soldiers.

OMG! Both the Israeli soldiers and Nazi soldiers RAN! I know in our military we skip to and from danger.

And look! Both militaries point guns of some sort at things! The horror! I can see now how they are the same! Does that mean that none of the images of valid? Unfortunately yes since once you've stooped to that low nothing that is said or posted really matters. If you would stoop to that level, why should I believe you haven't photoshopped everything? Why should I believe anything you say about you or your cause?



Here is what I do know. Starting in the 1840's large numbers of Jews started immigrating with the consent of the ruling government but without the consent of all of the indiginous population.s (the Ok of the Ottoman Empire, but not the Arab tribes, though they did have support from Jewish tribes). They quickly began outnumbering the Arab tribes who had the usual reaction that locals have to foreigners (both the local hate crime we see against immigrants, and the reaction metis and first nations had against european settlers).

This eventually came to a head between their descendants resulting in a war in which the 3 state solution (Israel, Jerusalem and Jordan) became a two state with Egypt jumping in to take Gaza. Later wars played tug of war on this land and whom was illegally occupying which piece of Jerusalem.

Jerusalem being the lynch-pin since both sides demand to have control of it, with the problem that neither side has rights to it.

Jordan (from which Palestine is an offshoot) occupied it illegally for 20 years and then Israel for 40.

Now Palestine wants to illegally occupy it instead of Israel and neither will budge. Much like if American the USSR had been bickering over who got to occupy Canada illegally in the cold war.

My sympathy lies between S*%^ and Syphillis in the dictionary for the Palestinians. You start throwing bombs around and you get what you get. You want to attack Israel? Go for it.

Quite frankly I would find it pretty hypocritical to slam Israel for being built upon stolen land, we live on stolen land and the land was more or less stolen at the same time in the same manner we stole it.

Every member on the security council shares the same story. America is our story, the UK has Northern Ireland, France with Basque and several remaining colonies, China has Tibet and East Turkmenistan and Russia has Chechnya and parts of Georgia.

And Palestine? Palestine demands to occupy Jerusalem. Well heres my view, I don't care where your ancestors came from, you are a citizen of the land you are born on.

Palestinian refugees are not refugees, they are second class citizens in the countries they live in. Israeli's are not 'illegal immigrants', they were born on the country as were their parents, grandparents and so forth.

Deal, and if you want to fight about I see no reason to help out. Don't get me wrong, I'm not out to directly harm Palestine either, if they manage to dig themselves out of their S%#$-storm I welcome them as business and trade partners as we do with Israel. But I wouldn't support stopping any existing help we provide to Israel nor boosting any aide to them unless it is Canada's best interest (directly) to do so.

They have dreams of a Nation, good for them but I don't care. No nation gets built without warfare including our own (we didn't fight Britain but the land wasn't empty when we got here). They want to live in quiet luxury and comfort? Stop fighting and give in, abandon dreams of occupying East Jerusalem, take what you can get and build up. Not saying thats the right choice for them but its their choice, fight in the mud for a big nation and bright flag or settle for peace. Its called settling for peace for a reason.
Z zarchov


EAO has been traveling the road of hate for quite some time - their is only one answer to the Mid East - Israel - Palestinians War - Total annihilation of the Jews - EAO believes that Israel has some sort of secret plan for Genocide for the Palestinians -

If you disagree or ask a question - all you get is a long cut and paste -
EAO believes the Media is controlled by Jews.

Last but not least beside being a total idiot - MODS this is a medical term - he is a racist.

He has fallen into the trap of many left winuts - It is all Israels fault - Palestinians never do anything that can be criticized - If you do - Guess what -A long cut and paste reply -

Hamas & Hezbollah are the good guys -
 

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Last but not least beside being a total idiot - MODS this is a medical term - he is a racist.
So if he doesn't like Israel he is a racist, you like Israel, how does that not make you racist.

The Goldstone report is about collective punishment that can/is classified as war-crimes during operation cast lead. Are you saying there should not be any investigation by anybody but Israel?

YouTube - Ariel Sharon - Man of Peace?
 

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Care to cover all the points listed below"
(in part)
"The 18th Knesset is affected by elected officials acting openly to damage Arabs' civil rights," added Mossawa Center's Director Jafar Farah. "Knesset members with extremist opinions are applying their world views with almost no disturbance and do not encounter enough opposition. They promote discriminatory and racist legislation that paints Arab citizens of the State of Israel as a demographic threat."
The report lists the outstanding bills in that were on the public agenda throughout the year:



  • Academic scholarships for soldiers who served in combat units – initiated by MK Robert Tiviaev (Yisrael Beiteinu) and MK Arieh Eldad (National Union)




  • Amendment of the Citizenship Law stipulating that a person who committed an act that violated loyalty to the State of Israel may have his citizenship revoked by the Interior Minister – initiated by MKs David Azoulay and Avraham Michaeli (Shas)


  • Nakba Law, which makes it possible to revoke government funding for organizations acting "against the principles of the State" – initiated by MK Alex Miller (Yisrael Beiteinu) and passed in its first reading


  • Loyalty bill, which suggested amending the Citizenship Law to condition citizenship on a declaration of loyalty to the State – initiated by MK David Rotem (Yisrael Beiteinu). The bill was knocked down in the Ministerial Committee on Legislative Affairs.

The bills were initiated by all parties from the center and the Right – Likud, National Union, Habayit Hayehudi, Yisrael Beiteinu, Shas, and even Kadima. The report's authors also mentioned Transportation Minister Yisrael Katz's initiative to make English and Arabic transliterations of Hebrew terms on all traffic signs.
Report: Current Knesset most racist of all time - Israel News, Ynetnews

What a freaking joke! You can't be serious........

None of these proposals made it into law. NONE!!!!!

Two of them are not even questionable....

how is scholarships for soldiers a racist idea??????? 8O

And why would you continue to fund organizations "acting against the State"???????:roll:
As for the clearly racist bits, none became law, and even if they did, they would be knocked down by the Supreme Court....because Israel is a reasonably free country with a dedication to the principles of equality and justice....

Care to compare with ANY of the surrounding Arab states???

Once again.....GET REAL!!!!
 

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So if he doesn't like Israel he is a racist, you like Israel, how does that not make you racist.

The Goldstone report is about collective punishment that can/is classified as war-crimes during operation cast lead. Are you saying there should not be any investigation by anybody but Israel?

What is there to investigate, and while these so called investigations go on, how many more must die because of Israelis caution and hesitation in fear of distancing one country or another. Like Moshe Dayan, Ariel Sharon is/was the perfect person to bring peace. The same fiction/lies could be written about Mahatma Gandhi, you pick a topic and post every negative thing you can find irregardless of source. Jerusalem belongs to Israel, always has and always will. Do you even know exactly what the word racist means. (Palestinians and Israelis are mostly the same people racially, like the Irish and Brits.)
 

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Z zarchov


EAO has been traveling the road of hate for quite some time - their is only one answer to the Mid East - Israel - Palestinians War - Total annihilation of the Jews - EAO believes that Israel has some sort of secret plan for Genocide for the Palestinians -

If you disagree or ask a question - all you get is a long cut and paste -
EAO believes the Media is controlled by Jews.

Last but not least beside being a total idiot - MODS this is a medical term - he is a racist.

He has fallen into the trap of many left winuts - It is all Israels fault - Palestinians never do anything that can be criticized - If you do - Guess what -A long cut and paste reply -

Hamas & Hezbollah are the good guys -

It must be pretty black and white in your universe if you truly believe that anyone who opposes Israel's cruelty, is racist and supports Israel's adversaries. Personally I doubt you are that simplistic. Your post and others like them are just a futile attempt to smear Israel's critics with abhorrent labels in an effort to discredit them. Anyone capable of critical thought who reads my posts objectively can see through your slander.

For the record I condemn the war crimes committed by both sides in this conflict as well as Israel's crimes against humanity.

Now lets look at your record in this conflict.

You refuse to acknowledge war crimes or crimes against humanity, let alone condemn them because of who commits them. You have never expressed a single bit outrage, let alone sympathy for the suffering and oppression of millions of people, because of who they are.

Being called a racist by someone as cruel and callous as you is a pretty rich in an odious way.

Back on topic, I'd like to post this recent statement by the South African Chief Director for Public Diplomacy as expert testimony:

South Africa's response to latest Israeli settlement activities in East Jerusalem 24 November 2009


The South African government expresses its concern at the latest round of Israeli settlement activities in East Jerusalem and registers its condemnation of Israel's approval of 900 new settlement units in the settlement of Gilo, south of East Jerusalem.


South Africa is aware of the statements of the Palestinian leadership that this settlement expansion on the part of Israel will result in an increase in the Israeli settler population over the next two years that will exceed the previous two.


South Africa takes note of the statements by United States President Barack Obama who stated that: "I think that additional settlement building does not contribute to Israel's security, it makes it harder for them to make peace with their neighbours. I think it embitters the Palestinians in a way that could end up being very dangerous."


We also take cognisance of the statements of the European Union presidency which said that: "If there is to be genuine peace, a way must be found to resolve the status of Jerusalem as the future capital of two states."


South Africa maintains that these attempts by Israel to create facts on the ground imperil attempts to achieve a negotiated solution to the conflict, namely that of two states, Israel and Palestine existing side by side in peace within internationally recognised borders. South Africa emphasises that the issue of Jerusalem is one of the final status issues that needs to be part of a negotiated solution to the conflict in the Middle East.


The actions on the part of Israel are in opposition to the will of the international community as expressed in United Nations Security Council resolutions 242, 338, 1515 as well as the Arab Peace Initiative. We condemn the fact that Israeli settlement expansion in East Jerusalem is coupled with Israel's campaign to evict and displace the original Palestinian residents from the City.


South Africa stresses that these actions on the part of Israel jeopardise the prospects of resuming peace talks aimed at arriving at a final settlement to the conflict. South Africa is deeply concerned that these activities by Israel will only serve only to deepen the cycle of violence in the region. As an occupying power, Israel has specific and clear obligations under international law.


We call upon the Israeli government to cease their activities that are reminiscent of apartheid forced removals and resume negotiations immediately.


For more information contact:



Saul Kgomotso Molobi
Chief Director for Public Diplomacy
Cell:
Issued by: Department of International Relations and Cooperation
24 November 2009



International Relations and Cooperation on Israeli settlement activities in East Jerusalem
 
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What a freaking joke! You can't be serious........

None of these proposals made it into law. NONE!!!!!
The point was they were on the books as 'proposals' that could have become law in current or a modified form. Racism is only one form of discrimination.

The one below certainly seems to be racism based on ethnic back-ground.
'Racist' marriage law upheld by Israel

By Donald Macintyre in Jerusalem

Monday, 15 May 2006

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Israel's High Court has narrowly upheld a law denying Palestinians from the West Bank and Gaza married to Israeli citizens the right to live in the country with their spouses.
The judges voted by six to five not to cancel a four-year-old amendment to the Citizenship Law which outlaws "family unification" in Israel between Palestinians and Arab citizens of Israel.
It was passed as a one-year emergency measure in 2002 on the ground that it was needed to protect Israeli security. But the amendment, described yesterday by the Knesset member Ran Cohen, of the left-wing Meretz party, as "rooted in racism", has been renewed every year since then.
Israel's Chief Justice, Aharon Barak, sided with the minority on the bench, declaring: "This violation of rights is directed against Arab citizens of Israel. As a result, therefore, the law is a violation of the right of Arab citizens in Israel to equality."




Two of them are not even questionable....

how is scholarships for soldiers a racist idea??????? 8O
Why did you leave out that it was for combat soldiers. That is the ticket for the rich kids to be in non-combat units thereby saving their balls and their lives. Israel has lots of Citizens that cannot afford tuition, guess who the combat troops are going to be.
Notice the service comes after serving, a 'educated person' might have taken a 'human-rights' and refused to obey an 'illegal order'.
Do you really expect me to believe this would be the sons of the 'wealthy citizens' of Israel.

YouTube - Video Showing How Cowardly and Scared Israeli Soldier Really Are.


And why would you continue to fund organizations "acting against the State"???????:roll:
As for the clearly racist bits, none became law, and even if they did, they would be knocked down by the Supreme Court....because Israel is a reasonably free country with a dedication to the principles of equality and justice....
Care to supply some accounting numbers for what Israel spends on 'positive PR' that can be a basic lie being promoted as the truth. Their Courts ordered the Government to move part of the wall in the West Bank, that was some years ago and nothing has been done so the Gov doesn't make itself subject to the Courts decisions if they choose not to. If the Courts gave them permission to grab some land or the Rachel machines would be on the move before the killing started. Nov/47 can be used to verify that it has happened in the past.

Care to compare with ANY of the surrounding Arab states???
No I will let you (or somebody pro Israel )supply the info on Israel's reasons for Lebanon. Syria, and /or Iran being States that should be 'removed from the face of the Earth. That way all the dark little unknown things will be brought into the light.

Once again.....GET REAL!!!!
Are you saying this article is false? A little outdated but the course remains the same and anything written (or publically voiced) uses the same language, a very slightly modified one that we used when writing Treaties for the Indians to sign. (knowing full well they were the only ones that would be bound to the agreement)

Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, January/February 1998, pages 88-89
Other Voices
Israeli Discrimination Against Non-Jews Is Carefully Codified in State of Israel's Laws

By Dr. Israel Shahak

The legal system of the State of Israel can be described as a weird mixture of advanced democracy and retrogressive discrimination, combined with clumsy attempts to hide the discriminatory reality. For example, in all Israeli laws except one, the Law of Return, the word "Jew" does not appear. The term employed when the law gives discriminatory privileges to Jews is that those privileges are granted to "persons who would have benefited from the Law of Return had they been outside the borders of Israel." The Law of Return specifies that its benefits can be given only to Jews. However, Israeli propagandists calculate, correctly in my view, that a great majority of the opponents of discrimination would not dare to criticize this law.
The second trick, especially beloved by the Meretz Party and other "leftist" hypocrites, is to campaign for and then pass a high-sounding law in favor of equality or human rights. Such laws, however, always contain one little paragraph stating that their provisions will not affect any laws or regulations enacted in the past. The high-sounding preambles of the new laws then can be solemnly quoted without mentioning that since discriminatory laws and rules were passed in the 1950s and early 1960s (by Labor, of course), the new laws cannot change the existing discrimination. When one understands those two tricks, one comprehends that Israeli laws, and even more so government regulations on all possible subjects, are full of discriminatory measures which, if employed against Jews anywhere else in the world, would be regarded as anti-Semitic.
The greatest discrimination, regarded as an ideological duty, is practiced with regard to land. Before explaining the legal niceties, let me summarize the ideology involved. It still is inculcated in Jewish schools in Israel, as well as in the diaspora, although increasingly resented because of the increasing competition of Western ideologies and fashions. The key concept of this ideology, established in Zionism from its beginning and much stronger on its "left" than its right wing, is "redeeming the land."
It is supposed that landed property, whether urban or agricultural, in the Land of Israel (whatever its borders are) which does not belong to Jews, privately or collectively, is "unredeemed." When the ownership changes and it becomes owned by Jews, either privately or collectively, the land undergoes magical transformation and becomes "redeemed." (Let me add that these two terms have been taken from the Jewish religious law.)
According to Zionism the most important Jew ish duty is to accomplish this magical change. Even some Zionists have recognized that this duty, as often happens with quasi-religious concepts, is unlimited in every respect.
For example, land owned by a Jewish gangster is "redeemed" land, but land owned by a non-Jew who helps Israel to the utmost is "unredeemed." There is also no limitation. All the land which is "unredeemed" should become "redeemed."
Dr. Irving Moskowitz, the American Jew who buys Arab-owned land in East Jerusalem for occupation by Jewish settlers, is quite right when he says that he acts in the spirit and according to the intentions of the Founding Fathers of Zionism.
Naturally, when Israel was ruled by the true believers in the Zionist faith, its laws and regulations were shaped accordingly, but also with due regard to the needs of Israeli propaganda. The key law is "Israeli Land Law," which set up a government-appointed body called the "Israel Land Authority" (ILA), controlled by a board partly appointed by the government and partly by the World Zionist Organization through its subsidiary branch, the "Jewish National Fund" (JNF), to control all the land owned by the state. A key paragraph in the law states that ILA will administer its land according to the regulations of JNF. The regulations of the latter strictly prohibit all non-Jews from benefiting in any way from JNF land and by this simple trick the Israeli state lands (92 percent of the area of Israel) were removed from the use of non-Jews.
In the old days of Zionist purity, until about 1980, this apartheid system was strictly observed and enforced, but—as also happened in South Africa—it was then found that apartheid, especially if strictly enforced, interferes with money-making. As Israel became richer, especially since about 1987, and as Israeli Arabs also benefited from this enrichment to a limited extent (currently the average income of an Arab family in Israel is 70 percent of the average income of a Jewish family), it became increasingly difficult to prevent Arabs from purchasing flats in the neighborhoods formerly strictly reserved for Jews. Most Jews, at least in the towns, have come to accept the new situation.
The result was that in practice ILA ceased to discriminate in cases involving urban property in the last 10 to 12 years. However, when a concern for "Jewish purity" of an urban neighborhood "threatened by Arab penetration" (or coveted by the settlers, as in East Jerusalem) was especially felt, ILA used to transfer its property rights in that area to the JNF or its subsidiary, Heimanuta, usually by an exchange of land.
The two latter companies, being branches of the World Zionist Organization, have kept faith with Jewish apartheid and, being formally private organizations, can continue to indulge in racism and discrimination. However, since their budgets are, at least in part, paid by the state, and because of many other considerations, the chief of which is the change of public mood, especially prominent under Likud, I agree with the view that if a case involving JNF apartheid were to be brought before the courts, they would, one way or another, disqualify the case.
I expect that the present government will abolish the entire system of discrimination with regard to land in favor of extensive land privatization. Selling most of the JNF- and Heimanuta-owned land will abolish the system of apartheid as practiced and believed in since the beginning of Zionism.
Such a change is being proposed by Ariel Sharon and is furiously opposed not only by the JNF but also by Meretz and most Labor Party leaders. However, since privatization is one of the articles of the new faith of the Israeli capitalist elite, I think that Ariel Sharon will be able to carry out his plans and, incidentally, to strike a death blow to the pure Zionist ideology and faith. It is another example of what Hegel used to call the "irony of history".​
 

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Here is what I have to say:

What the hell happened to you EAO? Can you even seriously believe this is any way rational?

Look at the poll choices! Do you really think there is no rational side to the Israeli half of the equation? That everyone there is some flesh rending demon that feeds on baby flesh and doesn't consider Palestinians people?

Do you really think that hundreds of millions of people who go to work day to day are that nuts? Seriously?

Then lets look at the nice rational discussion killing photos showing mindless comparison of Nazi's and Israeli soldiers.

OMG! Both the Israeli soldiers and Nazi soldiers RAN! I know in our military we skip to and from danger.

And look! Both militaries point guns of some sort at things! The horror! I can see now how they are the same! Does that mean that none of the images of valid? Unfortunately yes since once you've stooped to that low nothing that is said or posted really matters. If you would stoop to that level, why should I believe you haven't photoshopped everything? Why should I believe anything you say about you or your cause?



Here is what I do know. Starting in the 1840's large numbers of Jews started immigrating with the consent of the ruling government but without the consent of all of the indiginous population.s (the Ok of the Ottoman Empire, but not the Arab tribes, though they did have support from Jewish tribes). They quickly began outnumbering the Arab tribes who had the usual reaction that locals have to foreigners (both the local hate crime we see against immigrants, and the reaction metis and first nations had against european settlers).

This eventually came to a head between their descendants resulting in a war in which the 3 state solution (Israel, Jerusalem and Jordan) became a two state with Egypt jumping in to take Gaza. Later wars played tug of war on this land and whom was illegally occupying which piece of Jerusalem.

Jerusalem being the lynch-pin since both sides demand to have control of it, with the problem that neither side has rights to it.

Jordan (from which Palestine is an offshoot) occupied it illegally for 20 years and then Israel for 40.

Now Palestine wants to illegally occupy it instead of Israel and neither will budge. Much like if American the USSR had been bickering over who got to occupy Canada illegally in the cold war.

My sympathy lies between S*%^ and Syphillis in the dictionary for the Palestinians. You start throwing bombs around and you get what you get. You want to attack Israel? Go for it.

Quite frankly I would find it pretty hypocritical to slam Israel for being built upon stolen land, we live on stolen land and the land was more or less stolen at the same time in the same manner we stole it.

Every member on the security council shares the same story. America is our story, the UK has Northern Ireland, France with Basque and several remaining colonies, China has Tibet and East Turkmenistan and Russia has Chechnya and parts of Georgia.

And Palestine? Palestine demands to occupy Jerusalem. Well heres my view, I don't care where your ancestors came from, you are a citizen of the land you are born on.

Palestinian refugees are not refugees, they are second class citizens in the countries they live in. Israeli's are not 'illegal immigrants', they were born on the country as were their parents, grandparents and so forth.

Deal, and if you want to fight about I see no reason to help out. Don't get me wrong, I'm not out to directly harm Palestine either, if they manage to dig themselves out of their S%#$-storm I welcome them as business and trade partners as we do with Israel. But I wouldn't support stopping any existing help we provide to Israel nor boosting any aide to them unless it is Canada's best interest (directly) to do so.

They have dreams of a Nation, good for them but I don't care. No nation gets built without warfare including our own (we didn't fight Britain but the land wasn't empty when we got here). They want to live in quiet luxury and comfort? Stop fighting and give in, abandon dreams of occupying East Jerusalem, take what you can get and build up. Not saying thats the right choice for them but its their choice, fight in the mud for a big nation and bright flag or settle for peace. Its called settling for peace for a reason.
You summed up my position and feelings elloquently Z, excellent post.

It must be pretty black and white in your universe if you truly believe that anyone who opposes Israel's cruelty, is racist and supports Israel's adversaries.
Not at all. Not only would I expect that kind of criticism to be out there, I support it 100%.

But that's not what you do.

Personally I doubt you are that simplistic, and posts like the above are just a futile attempt to smear Israel's critics with labels in an effort to discredit them.
Again, not at all. No one is trying to smear Israel's critics. They're combating one extreme with the other.

But anyone who reads my posts objectively can see through your slander.
Speaking f smearing...:lol:...hypocrite. And I read everything you and many others post on this issue with objectivity and critical thought. Which is how I have been able to punch huge holes in the bulk of your posts, while you merely ignore or simply dismiss without fact, anything contrary to your ideology.

For the record I condemn the war crimes committed by both sides in this conflict as well as Israel's crimes against humanity.
No you don't. You have justified the criminal acts of Hamas and Hezbollah as freedom fighters, time and time again.

Now lets look at your record in this conflict.
Which facts would those be? Only the ones you will acknowledge? Or the actual facts of the matter.

You refuse to acknowledge war crimes or crimes against humanity, let alone condemn them because of who commits them.
BS, Goober has not only condemned Israel's attack on the UN HQ, but you befriended him when he did. Colpy and myself have questioned Israel's action, on several occasions.

Your failure to either accept or register that, speaks volumes about either your integrity or mental state.

You have never expressed a single bit outrage, let alone sympathy for the suffering and oppression of millions of people, because of who they are.
:roll:

Being called a racist by someone as cruel and callous as you is a pretty rich in an odious way.
We feel the same way when someone that supports Nazism, calls us names too.

Back on topic, I'd like to post this recent statement by the South African as expert testimony:


Do you ever actually read what you cut & paste?

At no point in that letter, does SA offer any fact or testimony. They simply condemn Israel using UN resolutions, and a few false beliefs.