Russia Prepared To Fight War Over Ukraine, Senior Government Official Admits

[MHz]

This is a speech I have longed respected and feel it is true for those seeking freedom anywhere in the world.

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

Abraham Lincoln
November 19, 1863

on this continent,
or any nation so conceived and so dedicated

Notice the bolded words and explain to me how the Ukraine is covered by those words? Or Crimea?
South America would be included and their constitutions should read the same as ours does (at least) That is where the words apply to, it was not an invitation to liberate the world of slavery or anything else.

As for patriotism I'm not in contact with any Russians or anybody from Crimea or the Ukraine, you are though, down to the level you find the need to mention what's I'm saying and getting replies. I'm touched that I'm that big of a thorn to you but from the information I have Russia is not on the attack, they are acting in a defensive move, a pretty decisive defensive move if the would list was to be employed. The West wants to run the place go ahead and when the place is stable from random snipers then the bridge will be reopened. ( by then there might be a canal for heavy ships in place as cargo exports to places like Syria will increase if the ICC awards damages to them because of some hi-res documentation that shows the uprising was actually a covert act of war and since they lost they get to pick up the bank tab for both sides. The Saudis have oil and the UN will have to take over the meter readings, hope they are up to the tasks. ) Isn't that how you break somebody of a bad habit? One hard smack and it's a done deal, for them and for any witnesses.

 

[BaalsTears]

The USS Mt. Whitney from the US Navy had been in the Black Sea near Sochi for the Winter Olympics. Now it's left the Black Sea as the Ukrainian crisis has become hot. It could have stayed on station if Obama and his minions had ordered it to do so. Instead it struck the colors and turned tail.

 

[taxslave]

notice the bolded words and explain to me how the ukraine is covered by those words? Or crimea?
South america would be included and their constitutions should read the same as ours does (at least) that is where the words apply to, it was not an invitation to liberate the world of slavery or anything else.

As for patriotism i'm not in contact with any russians or anybody from crimea or the ukraine, you are though, down to the level you find the need to mention what's i'm saying and getting replies. I'm touched that i'm that big of a thorn to you but from the information i have russia is not on the attack, they are acting in a defensive move, a pretty decisive defensive move if the would list was to be employed. The west wants to run the place go ahead and when the place is stable from random snipers then the bridge will be reopened. ( by then there might be a canal for heavy ships in place as cargo exports to places like syria will increase if the icc awards damages to them because of some hi-res documentation that shows the uprising was actually a covert act of war and since they lost they get to pick up the bank tab for both sides. The saudis have oil and the un will have to take over the meter readings, hope they are up to the tasks. ) isn't that how you break somebody of a bad habit? One hard smack and it's a done deal, for them and for any witnesses.

roflmao

 

[darkbeaver]

Once again, darkbeaver is simply wrong, wrong, wrong. The speech was NOT lifted from anything (the handwritten original, plus copies with corrections/revisions still exist), and it is still remembered in the USA.

My good man you can read essentially the same speech a million times all the way back to the beginning of literature. I was not suggesting that he actually made any effort to copy directly. I could write one just as good for you if you'd like.

Russia has NEVER had any real form of "Democracy". It's form of government has been one of a dictator from it's earliest days, till the present. While they DID make two attempts to establish a Representative Democracy in 1917, and again in the late 1980's/early 1990's, they were not successful at actually doing this.

Those governments were far too weak, and had so little power, that they could not stand up to any challenge. The Communists quickly overthrew the Russian Republic (even though they were, and always were, a tiny minority of the people), and Putin and his minions quickly overthrew the fledgling Russian democracy in the 1990's.

Russia, with two very brief exceptions, has had a Tzar since there has been a Russia. They just called them by different names after 1917.

So what? Todays democracies are the toys of the western corporations and the 1%, every vote cast supports further enslavement to debt.

 

[MHz]

Ok you love Russia we ALL got that , what is a mystery is why you are still here in this horrible country of ours when the gold is in Russia according to you.

I say congratulations on your new appointment to village idiot and have a safe flight to Moscow where in a short time you will realize how good freedom was here but until you loose it you have no idea what freedom is.

It would be a mystery in that it is my right to say things like that and not be criticized for it, ..... by anyone. lol I'm going the bet they were happy to be in your rear view mirror the last time they saw you.

I don't have the freedom to kick you in the balls right now, over there I probably would, I'm going to bet that would solve a lot of our petty issues. That I can't doesn't bother me as I'm sure we can find other ways to arrive at the same destination in thinking.

I could write one just as good for you if you'd like.

Some background beat?
African Percussion - YouTube

 

[Goober]

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2014/02/26/dear_kremlin_careful_with_crimea

It should go without saying that an attempt to seize Ukrainian territory would be a disaster in the short run, ruining Russian credibility around the world and likely starting a major war. In the long term, such an action, even if it were to succeed, would set a rather troubling precedent -- for Russia itself.

If Russia excludes its own borders from the general international standard of inviolability, it might face some unwanted challenges down the road. If Russia's external frontiers are flexible zones, to be pushed in various ways with appeals to the rights of ethnic brethren and passport holders, then what will happen, down the line, in Russia's eastern Siberia? There, Russia holds major natural resources along its border with China, the world's longest. Some 6 million Russian citizens in eastern Siberia face 90 million Chinese in China's bordering provinces.

Beijing pays attention to Ukraine because it has a major stake in Ukrainian agricultural territories. It will likely note the developing Russian doctrine on the flexibility of Russia's external borders. China also has a stake in eastern Siberia. It needs fresh water, hydrocarbons, mineral resources such as copper and zinc, and fertile soil for its farmers. The Chinese economic relationship with eastern Siberia is a colonial one: China buys raw materials and sells finished goods. Beijing actually invests more in eastern Siberia than does Moscow. No one knows the exact number of Chinese citizens in eastern Siberia -- in part because the last Russian census declined to count them -- but it certainly dwarfs the number of Russians in Crimea, and is expected by Russian analysts to increase significantly with time.

It seems rather risky for Russia to develop, on its own border, a challenge to the basic premise of territorial sovereignty. Beijing and Moscow currently enjoy good relations, and Chinese leaders are too sophisticated to consider open threats to eastern Siberia. But down the road, as demographic pressures mount and Russian resources beckon, a Russian doctrine of the ethnic adjustments of Russian borders could provide Beijing with a useful model.

 

[MHz]

With Russia taking control of Crimea alone and letting the West call the shots for the rest it will be quite easy to see which side is developing faster and well within the guidelines set out in the UN humanitarian guidelines. Canada will have to join again as she quit attending those pesky meetings. (what with having to explain what reservations are and why they are so popular a solution to one specific ethnic origin)

"No one knows the exact number of Chinese citizens in eastern Siberia -- in part because the last Russian census declined to count them -- but it certainly dwarfs the number of Russians in Crimea, and is expected by Russian analysts to increase significantly with time."

60% is the figure I have heard as being Russian speaking so it might be even higher at the voting booth.

This is what a Russian invasion looks like.
http://rt.com/news/crimea-airport-terminal-capture-095/

(in aprt)
The head of the security at the airport told EER.ru magazine that the armed group “politely” asked security officers to leave.

 

[MHz]

(in part)
The following are 12 signs that Russia is ready to fight a war over Crimea…
#1 More Russian military vehicles continue to pour into Crimea. Just check out this video.
#2 Russian military vehicles have been photographed in the main square of Sevastopol.
#3 Russian military jets near the border with Ukraine have been put on combat alert.
#4 Russia has ordered “surprise military exercises” along the Ukrainian border.
#5 In connection with those “exercises”, it is being reported that Russia has deployed 150,000 troops along the border with Ukraine.
#6 Russia already has approximately 26,000 troops stationed at their naval base in Sevastopol.
#7 Russian ships carrying additional soldiers have been spotted off the coast of Crimea…

Russia’s large landing ship Nikolai Filchenkov has arrived near the Russia Black Sea Fleet’s base at Sevastopol, which Russia has leased from Ukraine since the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991.
The ship is reported to be carrying as many as 200 soldiers and has joined four additional ships carrying an unknown amount of Special Forces troops. Flot.com also reported over the weekend that personnel from the 45th Airborne Special Forces unit and additional divisions had been airlifted into Anapa, a city on Russia’s Black Sea coastline.
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#8 Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu made the following statement to reporters on Wednesday…

“Measures are taken to guarantee the security of our facilities.”
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#9 An unidentified Russian official has told the Financial Times that Russia is willing to use military force to protect Crimea…

Moscow earlier revealed that it would be ready to go for war over the Crimea region in order to protect the large population and army installations.
“If Ukraine breaks apart, it will trigger a war. They will lose Crimea first [because] we will go in and protect [it], just as we did in Georgia,” an unidentified Russian official told the Financial Times.
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#10 Officials in Sevastopol have “installed” a Russian citizen as mayor of the city.
#11 Approximately 120 pro-Russian gunmen have seized the Crimean parliament building and have raised the Russian flag.
#12 There are rumors that Russian authorities have offered protection to ousted Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych…


Ready For War: "Russia Will Never, Ever Give Up Crimea Without a Fight"


The Geopolitical Dimensions of the Coup in Ukraine – A Struggle for Power and Influence


(in part)
This was not enough, however, for the US and the major European powers. They were intent on ensuring that Russia could never again threaten their global hegemony, as is made clear in the above cited statement of **** Cheney.
By 2009 the US-dominated NATO military alliance had absorbed into its ranks almost all of the East European countries that had once belonged to the sphere of influence of the Soviet Union. But attempts to incorporate former Soviet republics into NATO failed—with the exception of the three Baltic states Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania—due to resistance from Moscow. Ukraine, with its 46 million inhabitants and its strategic location situated between Russia, Europe, the Black Sea and the Caucasus, invariably was at the centre of these attempts.
As far back as 1997, former US National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote that without Ukraine, any attempt by Moscow to rebuild its influence on the territory of the former Soviet Union was doomed to fail. The core thesis of his book The Grand Chessboard is that America’s capacity to exercise global primacy depends on whether America can prevent the emergence of a dominant and antagonistic power on the Eurasian landmass. (See: “The power struggle in Ukraine and America’s strategy of domination”)
In 2004 the US and the European powers supported and financed the “Orange Revolution” in Ukraine that brought a pro-western government to power. The regime rapidly broke apart, however, due to internal strife. The attempt in 2008 to draw Georgia into NATO by provoking a military confrontation with Russia also failed.
Now the US and its European allies are intent to use the putsch in Ukraine to once again destabilize other former Soviet republics as well and draw them into their own sphere of influence. In so doing they risk an open armed conflict with Russia.
Under the headline “After Ukraine, the West Makes Its Move for the Russian Periphery,” the Stratfor think tank, which has close links to the US secret services, writes: “The West wants to parlay the success of supporting Ukraine’s anti-government protesters into a broader, region-wide campaign.”
“A Georgian delegation is currently visiting Washington, and the country’s prime minister, Irakli Garibashvili, is scheduled to meet with U.S. President Barack Obama, Vice President Joe Biden and Secretary of State John Kerry this week,” Stratfor reports. Moldovan Prime Minister Iurie Leanca is also scheduled to visit the White House for a meeting with US Vice President Joe Biden on March 3. “High on the agenda of both visits are the countries’ prospects for Western integration—in other words, how to bring them closer to the United States and the European Union and further from Russia.”

 

[Nuggler]

That is a lovely speech.............now, what do you think we should do if Putin's boys invade Ukraine and proceed to shoot everyone they don't like??

Suddenly it all falls apart, doesn't it??

This is what happens when you have a spineless moron for President in the USA. Russia thinks she can get away with anything.

Far better to have a moron with a spine......?......."bring it on".........."helluva job Brownie"..........Does the "west" really give a sh*t ?

 

[Locutus]

Crimea River

BBC News - Ukraine crisis: 'Russians occupy' Crimea airports

 

[MHz]

.............now, what do you think we should do if Putin's boys invade Ukraine and proceed to shoot everyone they don't like??

Suddenly it all falls apart, doesn't it??

Not as fast as if they 'invade' and nobody gets shot. Unfortunately they have no insignias so it must be local boys and they, wait for it, are faking the Russian accents.

Yes, yes it does. Reminiscent of 9/11 and WTC7 one misplaced joint and the (cough, cough) whole structure comes down.

 

[EagleSmack]

Wow... the Russians are invading every where! Georgia, Syria, Chechnya, and now the Ukraine.

 

[MHz]

Notice how quiet it is rather than when the US does it, first you have months of yak, yak, yak and then all sorts of noise when it happens, like a few months of being bombed even if they don't need it.

 

[EagleSmack]

Notice how quiet it is rather than when the US does it, first you have months of yak, yak, yak and then all sorts of noise when it happens, like a few months of being bombed even if they don't need it.

I would LOVE to respond... but you're babbling incoherently again.

Would you like to compose yourself and try again?

 

[tworivers]

MHz you are stating lies , again , with no proof and ignoring the fact the Russians have and always have been the trouble in Ukraine . I want you to listen To Yanukconvicts press conference yesterday where he refers to Ukraine as an important part of Russia .

 

[darkbeaver]

If it wasn't for the Russians Ukraine would be Polish.

 

[EagleSmack]

MHz you are stating lies , again , with no proof and ignoring the fact the Russians have and always have been the trouble in Ukraine . I want you to listen To Yanukconvicts press conference yesterday where he refers to Ukraine as an important part of Russia .

Hey TR.... do not expect much from him when it comes to facts and honesty. Save yourself the trouble.

 

[petros]

If it wasn't for the Russians Ukraine would be Polish.

Which came first Ukrainians or Russians?

 

[darkbeaver]

Which came first Ukrainians or Russians?

Ukraine.

 

[petros]

Ukraine.

Correct. Moscow by all rights being a Ukrainian settlement should be part of Ukraine.