Russia Prepared To Fight War Over Ukraine, Senior Government Official Admits

[tworivers]

That is a lovely speech.............now, what do you think we should do if Putin's boys invade Ukraine and proceed to shoot everyone they don't like??

Suddenly it all falls apart, doesn't it??

This is what happens when you have a spineless moron for President in the USA. Russia thinks she can get away with anything.

Colpy is right , if this happens what do we do.

Putin is looking to consolidate all the former USSR. Then have the cold war standoff with himself as permanent leader just like Stalin. He has control of most of the media in his country and has all the armed forces of Russia at his command. When I was there Lysva Russia in 2007 he was already changing the peoples perception of past history. As in how Stalin was a real hero not a mass murderer which was a western lie put in to demoralize Russia.

In Russia they have no road systems or infrastructure as we do and most villages to the east of Moscow are without running water , many cities to the north unemployment is high and even in places like Perm where the big oil is they get about a quarter of the pay we get if they get paid at all, but they do understand it is not good to speak out.
So here we have a man , Putin, threatening a key country , Ukraine , who they now say is a threat to Russian sovereignty , does anyone really believe that. Fair elections now that is a very uniformed statement by you know who , as democracy and fair are unknown in those circles.

So the question remains " What will we do ?"

 

[petros]

I read somewhere the new Govt passed a law stating that the Ukraine has one Official Language. Really good way to reach out to those on the other side.
FFn dumb move, pandering, when inclusive leadership is needed.

This is an ethnic war that goes back 750 years before there was a Russia.

So the question remains " What will we do ?"

Help those who have signed up for the long haul like Poland and others who have a grudge to settle with Moscow.

 

[MHz]

Help those who have signed up for the long haul like Poland and others who have a grudge to settle with Moscow.

It won't be hard to find the Russians, go ahead, free Crimea from those nasty Ruskies.

Vladimir Putin 'orders immediate test of Russian troops' combat readiness' | Mail Online

Vladimir Putin mobilised more than 150,000 troops and an armada of ships yesterday for a drill to test the combat readiness of forces in western Russia as tensions over Ukraine continue to grow.

In addition to the soldiers – nearly twice the British Army’s manpower after planned cuts – 880 tanks, 210 aircraft and 80 warships will take part in the operation.
The manoeuvres raised fears that the Russian president may be planning to send forces into Ukraine after the toppling of its Moscow-backed president Viktor Yanukovych.

Read more: Vladimir Putin 'orders immediate test of Russian troops' combat readiness' | Mail Online
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In 2004 Hungary joined the EU, expecting streets of gold. Instead, four years later in 2008 Hungary became indebted to the IMF. The rock video by the Hungarian group, Mouksa Underground sums up the result in Hungary today of falling into the hands of the EU and IMF.

The song is about the disappointing results of leaving socialism for capitalism, and in Hungary the results are certainly not encouraging. The title is “Disappointment with the System Change.” Here are the lyrics:
Over twenty some years now
We’ve been waiting for the good life
For the average citizen
Instead of wealth we have poverty
Unrestrained exploitation
So this is the big system change
So this is what you waited for
No housing No food No work
But that’s what was assured wouldn’t happen
Those on top
Prey upon us
The poor suffer everyday
So this is the big system change
So this is what you waited for
(Repeat)
When will real change occur?
When will there be a livable world
The ultimate solution will arise
When this economic system is forever abandoned
So this is the big system change
So this is what you waited for
(Repeat)
There is no solution but revolution
Perhaps if the Kiev students had listened to the Hungarian rock group instead of to Washington’s NGOs, they would understand what it means to be looted by the West, and Ukraine would not be in turmoil and headed toward destruction.
- See more at: The Crisis In Ukraine | The Daily Sheepe
Rendszerváltás? (A nagy csalódás) with English subtitles - YouTube

 

[tworivers]

It won't be hard to find the Russians, go ahead, free Crimea from those nasty Ruskies.

Vladimir Putin 'orders immediate test of Russian troops' combat readiness' | Mail Online

Vladimir Putin mobilised more than 150,000 troops and an armada of ships yesterday for a drill to test the combat readiness of forces in western Russia as tensions over Ukraine continue to grow.

In addition to the soldiers – nearly twice the British Army’s manpower after planned cuts – 880 tanks, 210 aircraft and 80 warships will take part in the operation.
The manoeuvres raised fears that the Russian president may be planning to send forces into Ukraine after the toppling of its Moscow-backed president Viktor Yanukovych.

Read more: Vladimir Putin 'orders immediate test of Russian troops' combat readiness' | Mail Online
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
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In 2004 Hungary joined the EU, expecting streets of gold. Instead, four years later in 2008 Hungary became indebted to the IMF. The rock video by the Hungarian group, Mouksa Underground sums up the result in Hungary today of falling into the hands of the EU and IMF.

The song is about the disappointing results of leaving socialism for capitalism, and in Hungary the results are certainly not encouraging. The title is “Disappointment with the System Change.” Here are the lyrics:
Over twenty some years now
We’ve been waiting for the good life
For the average citizen
Instead of wealth we have poverty
Unrestrained exploitation
So this is the big system change
So this is what you waited for
No housing No food No work
But that’s what was assured wouldn’t happen
Those on top
Prey upon us
The poor suffer everyday
So this is the big system change
So this is what you waited for
(Repeat)
When will real change occur?
When will there be a livable world
The ultimate solution will arise
When this economic system is forever abandoned
So this is the big system change
So this is what you waited for
(Repeat)
There is no solution but revolution
Perhaps if the Kiev students had listened to the Hungarian rock group instead of to Washington’s NGOs, they would understand what it means to be looted by the West, and Ukraine would not be in turmoil and headed toward destruction.
- See more at: The Crisis In Ukraine | The Daily Sheepe
Rendszerváltás? (A nagy csalódás) with English subtitles - YouTube

Ok you love Russia we ALL got that , what is a mystery is why you are still here in this horrible country of ours when the gold is in Russia according to you.

I say congratulations on your new appointment to village idiot and have a safe flight to Moscow where in a short time you will realize how good freedom was here but until you loose it you have no idea what freedom is.

 

[petros]

Save you breath on Megahurts. It's a lunatik.

 

[tworivers]

Save you breath on Megahurts. It's a lunatik.

LOL...ya I see that

 

[petros]

Dollars to donuts says Ukraine is packing up it's space agency in the Crimean. Ukrainian satellite links will be the first targets.

 

[darkbeaver]

So everybody loves their old country but not enough to live there. My people were from the British Isles. None of us are going back a third time to save the fuking crust from the people again. We can fix that here.

 

[petros]

So everybody loves their old country but not enough to live there. My people were from the British Isles. None of us are going back a third time to save the fuking crust from the people again. We can fix that here.

Poor you.

 

[EagleSmack]

Looks like Putin is dealing with that War of a Thousand Cuts thing.

 

[darkbeaver]

Poor you.

Lucky you, I expect you already have tickets and you've talked to the regiment you're joining in Ukraine. You'll be home by Christmas. Drop us a line then will you. Good Luck

 

[tworivers]

This is a speech I have longed respected and feel it is true for those seeking freedom anywhere in the world.

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

Abraham Lincoln
November 19, 1863

 

[petros]

Lucky you, I expect you already have tickets and you've talked to the regiment you're joining in Ukraine. You'll be home by Christmas. Drop us a line then will you. Good Luck

Cash to the right people works too. Merry Christmas.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

This is a speech I have longed respected and feel it is true for those seeking freedom anywhere in the world.

Fact checking the Gettysburg Address. . .

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Their dedication wasn't very strong, considering that they treated those equally-created men real different.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

Abraham Lincoln
November 19, 1863

More than half the "honored dead" were Confederates fighting for their freedom. They didn't get much room in Abe's speech.

 

[EagleSmack]

This is a speech I have longed respected and feel it is true for those seeking freedom anywhere in the world.

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

Abraham Lincoln
November 19, 1863

At the RR Cut... Gettysburg

More than half the "honored dead" were Confederates fighting for their freedom. They didn't get much room in Abe's speech.

Freedom for what? The freedom to own slaves?

 

[darkbeaver]

This is a speech I have longed respected and feel it is true for those seeking freedom anywhere in the world.

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

Abraham Lincoln
November 19, 1863

It's not an exceptional speech in fact all of it was lifted from long extant material. All these chest pounding speeches are the exact same form because human conflict always takes the same forms. Lincoln was wrong most have already forgotten what was done what happened who the people were that have already perished from the earth.. The signature could be German or Greek or Nigerian or British.

 

[EagleSmack]

This is a speech I have longed respected and feel it is true for those seeking freedom anywhere in the world.

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Great speech.

 

[The Old Medic]

It's not an exceptional speech in fact all of it was lifted from long extant material. All these chest pounding speeches are the exact same form because human conflict always takes the same forms. Lincoln was wrong most have already forgotten what was done what happened who the people were that have already perished from the earth.. The signature could be German or Greek or Nigerian or British.

Once again, darkbeaver is simply wrong, wrong, wrong. The speech was NOT lifted from anything (the handwritten original, plus copies with corrections/revisions still exist), and it is still remembered in the USA.

 

[Goober]

It's not an exceptional speech in fact all of it was lifted from long extant material. All these chest pounding speeches are the exact same form because human conflict always takes the same forms. Lincoln was wrong most have already forgotten what was done what happened who the people were that have already perished from the earth.. The signature could be German or Greek or Nigerian or British.

Yes it was, still is and will be remembered and quoted for centuries to come. It was an exceptional speech.
Abe only spoke for a few minutes.
At that time politicians would talk for hours, some in the media criticized Abe for such a short speech.
Guess what, they were wrong, and he was right.

 

[The Old Medic]

Russia has NEVER had any real form of "Democracy". It's form of government has been one of a dictator from it's earliest days, till the present. While they DID make two attempts to establish a Representative Democracy in 1917, and again in the late 1980's/early 1990's, they were not successful at actually doing this.

Those governments were far too weak, and had so little power, that they could not stand up to any challenge. The Communists quickly overthrew the Russian Republic (even though they were, and always were, a tiny minority of the people), and Putin and his minions quickly overthrew the fledgling Russian democracy in the 1990's.

Russia, with two very brief exceptions, has had a Tzar since there has been a Russia. They just called them by different names after 1917.