Right-wing extremist pleads 'not guilty' to massacre

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Quotes from Breivik's manifesto.

...Jihad Watch Board Vice President Hugh Fitzgerald ( JihadWatch weblog) shares his worries about MESA[18]:
“As an organisation, MESA has over the past two decades slowly but surely been taken
over by apologists for Islam.” “The apologetics consists in hardly ever discussing Jihad,
dhimmitude, or indeed even introducing the students to Qur’an, Hadith, and Sira.” “

...Jihad Watch's own Hugh
Fitzgerald sums up taqiyya and kitman, a related form of deception.
"Taqiyya" is the religiously-sanctioned doctrine, with its origins in Shi'a Islam but now
practiced by non-Shi'a as well, of deliberate dissimulation about religious matters that may
be undertaken to protect Islam, and the Believers. A related term, of broader application, is
"kitman," which is defined as "mental reservation." An example of "Taqiyya" would be the
insistence of a Muslim apologist that "of course" there is freedom of conscience in Islam,
and then quoting that Qur'anic verse -- "There shall be no compulsion in religion." {2:256}
But the impression given will be false, for there has been no mention of the Muslim doctrine
of abrogation, or naskh, whereby such an early verse as that about "no compulsion in
religion" has been cancelled out by later, far more intolerant and malevolent verses. In any
case, history shows that within Islam there is, and always has been, "compulsion in
religion" for Muslims, and for non-Muslims.


...As Hugh Fitzgerald of Jihad Watch says, we should explain why Islam encourages
despotism (because allegiance is owed the ruler as long as he is a Muslim), economic
paralysis, intellectual failure (the cult of authority, the hostility to free and skeptical
inquiry) in Islamic countries. Let Muslims themselves begin slowly to understand that all
of their political, economic, social, intellectual, and moral failures are a result of Islamic
teachings.

...such websites as Jihad Watch, Little Green
Footballs and Fjordman blog,
points out that as Muslim families are very large, a single
wage earner will find it hard to support all. They will need to supplement this by getting
considerable benefits from the state. Thus at a minimum, "some 80% of the Muslim
population" subsists on welfare benefits: "A considerable amount of this money to
Muslims from the British taxpayer, finds its way to finance the Jihad. The same scenario
must hold in all European states that have a considerable Muslim population." "We are in
the ridiculous position of sheltering and feeding a population that is hell bent on
destroying us. Islam's people, from the very outset, were nothing but a collective to gain
plunder and loot at the expense of other people's work. In the past, it was conducted by
war, conquest and then pillage. Now it is conducted by immigration (invasion), begging or
crime. Meanwhile Muslim nations are given huge loans (aid), which we and they know
will never be repaid. Thus, from a purely economic point of view, Islam seems to be a
collective of people who live by the ethos of "beg, borrow or steal." So why do we, the
capitalist countries, who do not believe in offering anyone a free lunch, subsidise the
most lazy yet aggressive bunch of people on God's planet, who are bent on subverting
our democratic system? The nub is, how has it come about, that the natural progression
of the most advanced civilisation on earth is towards stupidity?"

...Robert Spencer is a scholar of Islamic History, theology, and law and the director of Jihad
Watch
, a program of the David Horowitz Freedom Center. He is the author of The
Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades) and The Truth About Muhammad.
His latest book is Religion of Peace?

...As Jihad Watch Board Vice President Hugh Fitzgerald says[37] of moderate Muslims:
“They are still people who call themselves Muslims, and we, the Infidels, have no idea
what this will cause them, or could cause them, to do in the future. We likewise have no
idea what their children, or their grandchildren will see as their responsibility as Muslims.
The “moderate” Muslim today may be transformed into an “immoderate” Muslim, or his
descendants could be if he does not make a complete break and become an apostate. All
over the West now we see the phenomenon of Muslim children who are more devout and
observant than their parents.”

...Author Robert Spencer, director of the website Jihad Watch, who
patiently monitors the spread of Jihad terrorism across the world, is another excellent
choice, as is Bat Ye'or, ( Dhimmi.org and Dhimmitude.org, are websites maintained by Bat Ye'or)
whose unique work on the plight of non-Muslims under Islamic
rule has contributed immensely to our understanding of both the past and the present.

...Bat Ye'or, the leading scholar of Islam's expansion and its treatment of non-Muslims, has
provided an inestimable service through the compilation and translation of numerous
primary source documents describing centuries of Islamic conquest. She includes these
documents in her works on Islamic history and the plight of non-Muslims under Islamic
rule. In the history of jihad, the slaughter of civilians, the desecration of churches, and
the plundering of the countryside are commonplace.

...Bat Ye’or[2] claims that dhimmitude[3] in the Middle East has often progressed because
Christian leaders have sold out their own people, either for short-term personal gains or
in the mistaken belief that they have a “shared religious heritage” with Muslims. It is also
frequently Christian leaders and bishops in the West[4] who are calling for open
borders[5] for poor, destitute Muslims because “it is the Christian thing to do.”

Anyone recognize Breivik's sources of inspiration?
 

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According to Breivik, he defends Norway's way of life from Muslim assimilation and Sharia law. Something many people here also fear... He got his ideas regarding this "threat" from the same websites visited by many people here. Except for the killing innocent children part, many Canadians and Americans who watch Fox News and visit websites like "ReligionofPeace" and "Jihadwatch " will find themselves agreeing with many of Beivik's opinions regarding Islam.

We are waiting for you to go on a killing spree EAO.

I'm thinking with a spatula in a Synagogue. :)
 

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According to Breivik, he defends Norway's way of life from Muslim assimilation and Sharia law. Something many people here also fear... He got his ideas regarding this "threat" from the same websites visited by many people here. Except for the killing innocent children part, many Canadians and Americans who watch Fox News and visit websites like "ReligionofPeace" and "Jihadwatch " will find themselves agreeing with many of Beivik's opinions regarding Islam.

Is it completely lost on you that you can pick pretty well any factor you like, and you'll be able to link sane people to sociopaths? What point does it serve to note that people who haven't committed mass murder have read the same material as a mass murderer? I can think of a few, but none that could be consistently applied in the macro without throwing the entire world out with the bath water. Earth as one I guess. Throw us all out for being associated indirectly with the very worst of humanity.
 

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And where are the behavioural assessments to show he's insane on the basis of a neurological impairment?

Anders Behring Breivik: court rejects appeal against psych evaluation

A brief overview of the history of his psychological exams.

Personally, I think psychiatrists are a waste of oxygen. Might as well visit some guy with a bone through his nose that guts chickens as a diagnostic tool. In fact, the guy with the chicken might be safer, he couldn't have you locked up or perscribe psycho-active drugs.....which I firmly believe are for entertainment only.

Anyway, Breivik is obviously a sociopath, with no conscience or empathy, and narcissistic to the extreme.

Try him.

Then, if there were common sense and justice in the world, shoot him.
 

JLM

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Anders Behring Breivik: court rejects appeal against psych evaluation

A brief overview of the history of his psychological exams.

Personally, I think psychiatrists are a waste of oxygen. Might as well visit some guy with a bone through his nose that guts chickens as a diagnostic tool. In fact, the guy with the chicken might be safer, he couldn't have you locked up or perscribe psycho-active drugs.....which I firmly believe are for entertainment only.

Anyway, Breivik is obviously a sociopath, with no conscience or empathy, and narcissistic to the extreme.

Try him.

Then, if there were common sense and justice in the world, shoot him.

I'd go one step further....................a psychopath! :lol:

Is it completely lost on you that you can pick pretty well any factor you like, and you'll be able to link sane people to sociopaths? What point does it serve to note that people who haven't committed mass murder have read the same material as a mass murderer? I can think of a few, but none that could be consistently applied in the macro without throwing the entire world out with the bath water. Earth as one I guess. Throw us all out for being associated indirectly with the very worst of humanity.

The world (and this forum) are full of guys just as nutty as Breivnik, just not quite as dangerous! :lol::lol::lol::lol:
 

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Anders Behring Breivik: court rejects appeal against psych evaluation

A brief overview of the history of his psychological exams.

Personally, I think psychiatrists are a waste of oxygen. Might as well visit some guy with a bone through his nose that guts chickens as a diagnostic tool. In fact, the guy with the chicken might be safer, he couldn't have you locked up or perscribe psycho-active drugs.....which I firmly believe are for entertainment only.

Anyway, Breivik is obviously a sociopath, with no conscience or empathy, and narcissistic to the extreme.

Try him.

Then, if there were common sense and justice in the world, shoot him.

I agree with you that this person should be punished for his crimes.... But I am surprised you don't have more sympathy for Breivik. He sees Islam the same way as you. Islam is a religion of war and oppression. They don't separate religion from government. Their religion is their government. The goal of Muslims is to turn western nations into Muslim fundamentalist states through immigration and breeding. Islam represents an existential threat to western nations. If current levels of Muslim immigration and birth rates continue, they will eventually outnumber us. When that happens, they will impose Sharia law and enforced Dhimmitude on us. How do you think our governments should counter this threat? Breivik claims his actions were justified in response to a treasonous government which either is oblivious to the threat or more interested in maintaining growth through immigration. Do you think Breivik was right regarding the growing threat from Islam?

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/news/105596-breivik-right-regarding-growing-muslim.html
 
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Anders Behring Breivik: court rejects appeal against psych evaluation

A brief overview of the history of his psychological exams.

Personally, I think psychiatrists are a waste of oxygen. Might as well visit some guy with a bone through his nose that guts chickens as a diagnostic tool. In fact, the guy with the chicken might be safer, he couldn't have you locked up or perscribe psycho-active drugs.....which I firmly believe are for entertainment only.

Anyway, Breivik is obviously a sociopath, with no conscience or empathy, and narcissistic to the extreme.

Try him.

Then, if there were common sense and justice in the world, shoot him.

I agree with you that this person should be punished for his crimes.... But I am surprised you don't have more sympathy for Breivik. He sees Islam the same way as you. Islam is a religion of war and oppression. They don't separate religion from government. Their religion is their government. The goal of Muslims is to turn western nations into Muslim fundamentalist states through immigration and breeding. Islam represents an existential threat to western nations. If current levels of Muslim immigration and birth rates continue, they will eventually outnumber us. When that happens, they will impose Sharia law and enforced Dhimmitude on us. How do you think our governments should counter this threat? Breivik claims his actions were justified in response to a treasonous government which either is oblivious to the threat or more interested in maintaining growth through immigration. Do you think Breivik was right regarding the growing threat from Islam?

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/news/105596-breivik-right-regarding-growing-muslim.html

Is it completely lost on you that you can pick pretty well any factor you like, and you'll be able to link sane people to sociopaths? What point does it serve to note that people who haven't committed mass murder have read the same material as a mass murderer? I can think of a few, but none that could be consistently applied in the macro without throwing the entire world out with the bath water. Earth as one I guess. Throw us all out for being associated indirectly with the very worst of humanity.

That was after you writing this:lol:

See Ton......you can't teach a dill pickle nuthin'

The guy makes for a good laugh tho:smile:
 

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He's guilty of murder, but he's not insane - that would partly excuse his actions, and that's wrong.

He basically took the right wing position to new heights and added guns to make his point. Now, whether or not being right-wing in this day and age is "harmful" to society is debatable, but it definitely should not mean an endorsement of Christianity. We can already see a slight metamorphosis in the U.S. as they evolved (finally) from Santorum to Romney.

Breivik's sentence is similarly, an opportunity for society to become more secular in its thinking, so that we continue to enjoy all religions as niche philosophies - separate from the official policy of the state.
 

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Murder can have any motive - political, religious or otherwise.

So why would you choose that adjective? Especially when there are many much more apropos...........evil, cruel, heinous, nefarious. You want to add more bias to already biased reporting? :p
 

mentalfloss

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So why would you choose that adjective? Especially when there are many much more apropos...........evil, cruel, heinous, nefarious. You want to add more bias to already biased reporting? :p

"Right-wing extremism" is to denote that the original influence is based on right-wing ideology to such a degree that the individual is willing to take extreme measures (such as violence) to enforce that ideology.

The source of Breivik's malaise is either rooted in some form of conservatism or christian theology. Extremism is an important modifier as we could have islamic extremism, atheist extremism - hell, even buddhist extremism.
 

JLM

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"Right-wing extremism" is to denote that the original influence is based on right-wing ideology to such a degree that the individual is willing to take extreme measures (such as violence) to enforce that ideology.

The source of Breivik's malaise is either rooted in some form of conservatism or christian theology. Extremism is an important modifier as we could have islamic extremism, atheist extremism - hell, even buddhist extremism.

I doubt it!
 

petros

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The source of Breivik's malaise is either rooted in some form of conservatism or christian theology. .
It's rooted in paranoia and xenophobia driven by TV and various other forms of media.



If you don't buy Michellin there will be dead kids in the ditches from one end of the country to the other.