Pot may prolong pain, not relieve it: Study

Unforgiven

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When have i ever tried to impose anything on you. I just think the nonsense around medical marijuana should be exposed for what it is, an excuse to get high. There are legitimate drugs to deal with medical conditions, but medical marijuana is a fiction. But you can do what you want, except i will fight your imposing a medical fraud and subjective anecdotes as accepted proof.

You are imposing on him and anyone else that uses Cannabis medicinally. The medical benefits are in research now and peer reviewed clinical evidence is mounting on the side of Cannabis. So what are you fighting again? You don't want someone you don't know to find any relief in Cannabis regardless of what science says, because of your belief.

How Christian of you. :roll:
 

darkbeaver

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We must pray that none of his is ever in need of the weed, I wonder if like the Jehovas he would refuse the medicine to his children sure in the power of an invented god and sure in his arrogance and rejection of one of creations own gifts. He is to be pitied and forgiven, let us pray.
Oh Dog look kindly upon your proud but blind son Coldstream please remove the blinkers from his eyes and shake some sense into his concrete hat perch. amen
 

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We must pray that none of his is ever in need of the weed, I wonder if like the Jehovas he would refuse the medicine to his children sure in the power of an invented god and sure in his arrogance and rejection of one of creations own gifts. He is to be pitied and forgiven, let us pray.
Oh Dog look kindly upon your proud but blind son Coldstream please remove the blinkers from his eyes and shake some sense into his concrete hat perch. amen

Amen, Brother!
(concrete hat perch indeed!):lol:
 

lone wolf

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We must pray that none of his is ever in need of the weed, I wonder if like the Jehovas he would refuse the medicine to his children sure in the power of an invented god and sure in his arrogance and rejection of one of creations own gifts. He is to be pitied and forgiven, let us pray.
Oh Dog look kindly upon your proud but blind son Coldstream please remove the blinkers from his eyes and shake some sense into his concrete hat perch. amen

Hallelujah!
 

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Reuters: Pot Kills Cancer But Don’t Even Think About Using It!

By: StingRay
Tags: COVER-UP/DECEPTIONS/PROPAGANDA
Of course, the real question — conveniently ignored by Reuters and the rest of the MSM — is this: Why, after three decades and dozens of preclinical trials documenting cannabis’ potent anti-cancer abilities, are “many more years of testing” necessary? Last I checked, humans die en masse from cancer, not rats! Yet for some 35 years scientists have been content to replicate these cancer-killer findings in animals and in petri dishes, all the while warning, “It absolutely isn’t the case that men might be able to fight prostate cancer by smoking cannabis.”
Reuters: Pot Kills Cancer But Don’t Even Think About Using It! | NORML Blog
 

coldstream

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lmao, how very punny. I doubt it would happen, though. Mr. Stream seems to be a bit of a curmudgeonly fundamentalist.

I prefer the term orthodox and catholic (although even that might not be fully accurate), fundamentalist having a decidedly evangelical and pentacostal connotation.. and most people who really know me don't consider me cantankerous.

And i'm quite willing to look at thoroughly vetted research on marijuana. But first of all marijuana is not drug at all, since there are numerous components and collateral aspects to any herbal agent, especially one that is smoked, that are clearly not medicinal.

If one could isolate the active agent from tars and chemicals present in any smoke, that is thc (tetrahydrocannabinol), in a medically controlled dosage, and measure objectively its therapeutic properties, under double blind research protocols, that might be useful research.

But you really can't find anything like that, on a large enough scale to be scientifically convincing. All marijuana research is of the most subjective, anecdotal and emotional character. If you could find something useful, then the method of administering the drug should be by pill or introvenous injection, the least problematic of all methods of delivery.

But that would have medical marijuana proponents howling in complaint. Why because the smoking character of cannabis is integral to pot culture. What's more a thorough regime of presciption regulation and supervision is not what pot smokers want. They want weed issued under year long or unlimited open RXs, with no medical supervision.

They want to get HIGH, because they are scions of 60s weed culture, with the integrated accoutrements of music, political activism, back to nature ideals, anti technological maxims, and ANTI RELIGIOUS sentiments, atleast if they involve any obligations of behaviour or observance.

Hence it is a lifestyle of distraction they crave, not a medicinal remedy.
 
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lone wolf

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Where's you double blind medical research, lone wolf. I'm not interested in stoned, florid grandiloquence or personal anecdotes.. i want the proof. :smile:

Stoned? Not at all ... but do so enjoy the stereotype.

I am sitting at a desk typing this. Why provide proof to anyone too morbidly little-minded to accept another's truth?

Typically Christian....
 

karrie

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Where's you double blind medical research, lone wolf. I'm not interested in stoned, florid grandiloquence or personal anecdotes.. i want the proof. :smile:

considering you're not willing to back up your claims that 99% of people wanting pain relief just want a high, I'd suggest that asking other people for proof is odd.
 

coldstream

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considering you're not willing to back up your claims that 99% of people wanting pain relief just want a high, I'd suggest that asking other people for proof is odd.


The burden proof of in accrediting any drug or procedure, is on those who would have it included in medical protocols. The regime for testing is exhaustive and strictly objective. That is because there have so many disasters in cruel and unanticipated side effects.. from thalydamide to lobotomies. It is imposed on all new treatments now except marijuana, which has been given a pass in many jurisdictions. :-?
 

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Pot was tested ad nauseum for decades until the US declared war on it in the seventies. Perhaps they buried those studies but I'm too lazy to prove anything to anybody. Do your own research. THC has been isolated and proven to be ineffective as a pain killer. It is useless for radiation and chemo patients and most people I know were told by their doctors to acquire street drugs for effective relief. Even the pot supplied by the government is of such poor quality that nobody wants it.

The most effective way to ingest pot for medical purposes is with a vapourizer which only heats the pot to about 110 degrees f. It does not burn so most of the harmful effects are eliminated. Besides, if people want to get high, why do they need an excuse?

To me, orthodoxy and fundamentalism are the same set of blinders that restrict thinking outside the self imposed box of religious mind control.
 

karrie

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That's not true at all. THC tablets underwent the same testing and protocols as any other drug out there, and still they get prescribed for what they've been shown to work on... nausea and pain. Anything pharmaceutically derived undergoes testing. The reason grown marijuana doesn't, is that it is a plant, not a pharmaceutical. Concentrations vary, method of consumption varies, etc.
 

coldstream

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Pot was tested ad nauseum for decades until the US declared war on it in the seventies. Perhaps they buried those studies but I'm too lazy to prove anything to anybody. Do your own research. THC has been isolated and proven to be ineffective as a pain killer. It is useless for radiation and chemo patients and most people I know were told by their doctors to acquire street drugs for effective relief. Even the pot supplied by the government is of such poor quality that nobody wants it.

The most effective way to ingest pot for medical purposes is with a vapourizer which only heats the pot to about 110 degrees f. It does not burn so most of the harmful effects are eliminated. Besides, if people want to get high, why do they need an excuse?

To me, orthodoxy and fundamentalism are the same set of blinders that restrict thinking outside the self imposed box of religious mind control.

Then put it in PILL form, under constant medical supervision and strict presciption renewals, like Demerol, with none of the other potentially harmful ingredients in cannabis smoke.
 

karrie

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Medical cannabis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It doesn't take much to find research, or proof of its medicinal worth to the ancients. Now, too bad for you it isn't as easy to find some proof that your Bible is the actual work of any God - rather than an elaborate con to extract tithe....

seroiusly? You've got to be joking me. Are you guys really not above dragging religion into EVERYTHING?
 

karrie

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Then put it in PILL form, under constant medical supervision and strict presciption renewals, like Demerol, with none of the other potentially harmful ingredients in cannabis smoke.

If someone wants to pay less, and have it in its natural form, what is YOUR issue with it? If I want to go chew willow bark instead of popping Aspirin, it seems to me that's my decision to make, not yours.
 

Unforgiven

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I prefer the term orthodox and catholic (although even that might not be fully accurate), fundamentalist having a decidedly evangelical and pentacostal connotation.. and most people who really know me don't consider me cantankerous.

And i'm quite willing to look at thoroughly vetted research on marijuana. But first of all marijuana is not drug at all, since there are numerous components and collateral aspects to any herbal agent, especially one that is smoked, that are clearly not medicinal.

If one could isolate the active agent from tars and chemicals present in any smoke, that is thc (tetrahydrocannabinol), in a medically controlled dosage, and measure objectively its therapeutic properties, under double blind research protocols, that might be useful research.

But you really can't find anything like that, on a large enough scale to be scientifically convincing. All marijuana research is of the most subjective, anecdotal and emotional character. If you could find something useful, then the method of administering the drug should be by pill or introvenous injection, the least problematic of all methods of delivery.

But that would have medical marijuana proponents howling in complaint. Why because the smoking character of cannabis is integral to pot culture. What's more a thorough regime of presciption regulation and supervision is not what pot smokers want. They want weed issued under year long or unlimited open RXs, with no medical supervision.

They want to get HIGH, because they are scions of 60s weed culture, with the integrated accoutrements of music, political activism, back to nature ideals, anti technological maxims, and ANTI RELIGIOUS sentiments, atleast if they involve any obligations of behaviour or observance.

Hence it is a lifestyle of distraction they crave, not a medicinal remedy.

What could be more simple than to grow the plant, once flowered, let it dry and smoke it? I can see the problem with a drug company not being able to patent it, own it and sell it for far more than it costs to grow it. Is that what bothers you?

You sweeping condemnation of people who want to get high is nothing more than hate filled rhetoric based in some inward anger and control issues. Nothing more.

Happy people have a much better time in dealing with pain or serious illness. That right there sets Cannabis apart from any manufactured medicine.

I'm sorry your abuse of the weed happened when you were ****ing yourself up. But understand it was you, not the Cannabis that was doing the abusing and the ****ing up.

More and more Cannabis is showing itself to be a wonderful tool to use against illness and a social catalyst among like minded individuals. That this seems to make you angry to no end really isn't here nor there. You have a bad opinion of Cannabis and that's fine with me. I don't need your permission or consent for anything I do.

I don't think anyone here is interested in convincing you of anything. I don't think anyone could convince you it was daytime at noon. That there is more and more good science showing the benefits of Cannabis coming out each day goes along with all the stuff already posted here to show you don't know and don't want to know about it. That fine, no one is pushing for your enlightenment. No **** off while I smoke this phattay! :roll: