Pope Says Gay Marriage Poses A Threat To 'Justice And Peace'

L Gilbert

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Just let the dogs answer the door, lol. Problem solved.
lol Went out hunting grouse one time and got home. Processed the birds, put away all my gear except the shotgun and was busy cleaning it. Knock on door ensued. I turned to open it and there were a couple JWs. They got about a half a word out and spied the shotgun, mumbled something about wrong address, and disappeared. lol Not sure how they got in because it was an apartment building with signs against solicitors and whatnot.

At least Ron won't have to worry about the Pope breaking down the door and demanding that his Rotties not use condoms... That's a big plus
Using the media (especially tv) is much more efficient for that.
 

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Well there are a lot of catholics demanding that abortion be made illegal even though the current law has no effect on them.


Yup, how dare people think about the protection of our most vulnerable and helpless. They should just follow the crowd and stfu, right tax?
 

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I'm assuming this might sound like a dumb question, but, "how so?"

I'm also assuming, like any other segment of the general population,
that a certain percentage are going to be religiously observant, and
will chuck their change in the plate along with everyone else as long
as the doors are open for them to participate just like everyone else.

I know I'm making many assumptions here, as I'm on the outside looking
in on the issue, but I still don't really understand why it even is an issue.
Homosexual marriage doesn't create offspring to feed the plate
 

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Homosexual marriage doesn't create offspring to feed the plate


Ahhh, I see now.

By condemning homosexuality, those that chose that lifestyle will magically adopt heterosexuality and adopt the Catholic church as their representation and donate heartily only to the Catholic church in thanks for being shown the light.

Thanks for the extra insightful analysis on the issue... It's really cleared things up as to the real motivation of the Church.

Guess that I'd better not buy those extra stocks in tin foil.. It's clear that this is not a conspiracy
 

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Be honest here DG... You have likely turned a blind eye to the problems (sex included) rife in other religions or cultures...
Straw Man.... The topic is a declaration by the pope. People are responding to his declaration. Why would they launch into a discussion about all the ills of the world when the subject is the pope? He attacked the rights of gays and demonized them. If he had said that gays were a threat to the church, it would not have been so bad, but he said gay marriage was a threat to world peace. That statement goes far beyond his duristiction and is a threat to people everywhere, so non-catholics have a right to attack his statement.
 

gerryh

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Straw Man.... The topic is a declaration by the pope. People are responding to his declaration. Why would they launch into a discussion about all the ills of the world when the subject is the pope? He attacked the rights of gays and demonized them. If he had said that gays were a threat to the church, it would not have been so bad, but he said gay marriage was a threat to world peace. That statement goes far beyond his duristiction and is a threat to people everywhere, so non-catholics have a right to attack his statement.


:roll:
 

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That is a pretty lame comment.

By the way gerry, I was born into the church and baptized into the church and have never been excommunicated, so I am still a catholic, at least I think I'm still registered as one. But I reject the authority of the church because of asinine remarks and declarations by the church and its hierarchy. This pope in particular is a throwback to the Inquisition.
 

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8O HEY: He no play the game.

He no make the rules

:evil4:( some threat) !! Hetero marriage, in a lot of cases, is ****ed regardless of what the gays do.
 

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By the way gerry, I was born into the church and baptized into the church and have never been excommunicated, so I am still a catholic.
Excommunicated only means you can't take communion, it doesn't get you licked out of the Church or de-baptized as a Catholic.
 

Cliffy

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8O HEY: He no play the game.

He no make the rules

:evil4:( some threat) !! Hetero marriage, in a lot of cases, is ****ed regardless of what the gays do.
In the French Canadian movie The Decline of the American Empire (English version) one of the female characters says, "the pope should have nothing to say about birth control or abortions. He should stick to subjects he knows about, like prostate problems and masturbation."
 

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Pope Says Gay Marriage Poses A Threat To 'Justice And Peace' In World Day Of Peace 2013 Address

Pope Benedict XVI said this week that gay marriage poses a threat to "justice and peace." The 85-year-old religious leader went on to suggest that same-sex marriage is "unnatural."

According to the Associated Press, the head of the Roman Catholic Church kicked off the Christmas season on Friday with the traditional lighting of the tree in Vatican City's St. Peter's Square. On the same day, the Holy See released the Pope's message for World Day of Peace 2013.

As Gay Star News reports, the Pope, in his annual address, said that same-sex marriage is "unnatural" and "against human nature."

This is where I beat my head on my desk. Really? Unnatural and against human nature? So tell us, oh great Mouth of Gawd, what IS the natural state of marriage?

"There is…a need to acknowledge and promote the natural structure of marriage as the union of a man and a woman in the face of attempts to make it juridically equivalent to radically different types of union," the Pope said, according to ANSA.

"Such attempts actually harm and help to destabilize marriage, obscuring its specific nature and its indispensable role in society. These principles are not truths of faith, nor are they simply a corollary of the right to religious freedom. They are inscribed in human nature itself, accessible to reason and thus common to all humanity," he continued.

The Pope went on to suggest that support of gay marriage "constitutes an offense against the truth of the human person, with serious harm to justice and peace."

8O

Marriage being a union of man and woman is a relatively new thing to human society. At one time it was common for one man and many wives (and concubines and mistress' and so on) or more rare a woman and her men. That might have changed slightly to one man and one woman officially, but there were many times when the man - when away from the home or sometimes not - had another wife or at least a woman to warm his bed at night. Oh and it was also one man and one woman and her family, or visa versa depending on their social status because marriage was nothing but a status contract for most. Marriage has never BEEN about one man and one woman until recently when people started to look for a more solid commitment and were free to tack "love" into the mix.

And if marriage is "are inscribed in human nature itself, accessible to reason and thus common to all humanity" then he should be all for gay marriage, because being gay is a natural state for the person who is gay (and again, nature, as more research into the why's of Gayness shows) and thus by their very human nature, they deserve marriage. For the Truth of THAT human gay person is that they are attracted to only those of the same sex when looking for a mate. In being married, a gay couple (of either sex) is becoming part of the indispensable role of society, whether it's in the taxes collected, the materials they buy or in the children they rear (adopted or natural). If Gay marriage is harm to justice and peace, then so is every other marriage in this world; which if you look at it in that way, with divorce as high as it is, with ex's going psycho and killing/harming their previous loved ones, harming children from that "marriage", themselves, or others, it pretty much is harm to justice and peace.

This is not the first time that Pope Benedict has vocally opposed same-sex marriage.

Earlier this year, the Associated Press reported that the religious leader had denounced gay marriage as being "insidious and dangerous." Previously, he had called same-sex unions "a threat to humanity."

See above; if Gay marriage is a threat, then all marriage is a threat and thus all marriage should be abolished and instead Civil Unions take their place. If you want a "marriage", go to a church and be "married in the eyes of Gawd" or whoever. But to the rest of the world, we're all in Civil (or Uncivil) Unions.
 

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Straw Man.... The topic is a declaration by the pope. People are responding to his declaration. Why would they launch into a discussion about all the ills of the world when the subject is the pope? He attacked the rights of gays and demonized them. If he had said that gays were a threat to the church, it would not have been so bad, but he said gay marriage was a threat to world peace. That statement goes far beyond his duristiction and is a threat to people everywhere, so non-catholics have a right to attack his statement.


This is all about a herd mentality and over the top generalizations with the touch point being that the Pope forwarded comments about homosexuality. To be honest, your input (that I can recall) is the only contribution that directly deals with the Pope's comments head-on and that in itself separates you from the rest of the herd, and you'll notice that none of my comments have been designed to defend the RC's position... The reason being that the attacks haven't been about what the Pope said.

When you boil it down, this is no different than the bigotry displayed when one of the usual suspects posts broad over generalizations about FNs or Israel.
 

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gay sex is annal
More accurately, some non-gays are an-al about homosexual sex. Also, heteros engage in an-al sex, too.

This is all about a herd mentality and over the top generalizations with the touch point being that the Pope forwarded comments about homosexuality. To be honest, your [Cliffy] input (that I can recall) is the only contribution that directly deals with the Pope's comments head-on and that in itself separates you from the rest of the herd, and you'll notice that none of my comments have been designed to defend the RC's position... The reason being that the attacks haven't been about what the Pope said.
I think I mentioned a few things about what the pope said. Guess you forgot.

When you boil it down, this is no different than the bigotry displayed when one of the usual suspects posts broad over generalizations about FNs or Israel.
To a point, but then you and I chatted about bigotry, too.
 

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Ahhh, I see now.

By condemning homosexuality, those that chose that lifestyle will magically adopt heterosexuality and adopt the Catholic church as their representation and donate heartily only to the Catholic church in thanks for being shown the light.

Thanks for the extra insightful analysis on the issue... It's really cleared things up as to the real motivation of the Church.

Guess that I'd better not buy those extra stocks in tin foil.. It's clear that this is not a conspiracy
Excuse please.... Where do you read reference to any church in particular?
 

L Gilbert

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Anyway, the pope can have his opinion, even if it is a pile of nonsense. I just wish that people would leave others to their own business. If there are gods, let them deal with it.
Oh, and BTW, Serryah, the pope is no god's mouthpiece; he's the RCC's mouthpiece.