The Pope only speaks to Catholics? This is a Catholics-only thread? Catholics hate reading constructive criticism?
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Pope Says Gay Marriage Poses A Threat To 'Justice And Peace'
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The Pope only speaks to Catholics? This is a Catholics-only thread? Catholics hate reading constructive criticism?
He has a point there. But I bet he doesn't realize why it may be. It's because of the irrational prejudices against gay marriage that the issue is a threat to justice and peace.
uhuh It's as unnatural as marriage is in the first place.
Pope wants the world in peace. It's easy; get rid of politics and religion.
Truth is relative and subjective in that case.
Again, he has a point but for the wrong reason.
Good point again, but for the wrong reason.
Yeah well, the Pope also had his brain converted to nonsense from rational thought.
Yeah, well, people tend to ignore or at least dismiss evidence in favor of religious dogma.
So before some nutcase came up with religious dogma about marriage and sex, anyone that died went to sinner's hell. Yup, that makes perfect "sense".
It's an issue because religionists feel they have the right to push their religiosity upon everyone else.
Be honest here DG... You have likely turned a blind eye to the problems (sex included) rife in other religions or cultures... That info doesn't jibe with your world view that only the Catholic Church has imperfections - the warts and wrinkles that are present in all forms of religion, race, culture, professions and demographics are of no interest as it would dramatically erode your predetermined ideas about Catholics and their Church.
You see what you want to see and close your eyes to reality in order to support a closed vision
Good one.. Your 'proof' is based on ideas that are a thousand years old... Maybe time to modernize a bit?
Ummmm, I'm pretty sure that he ain't speaking for the CAW, and of course this is not a Catholics-only thread.. All of the haters and bigots and PC crowd are here too (in force I see)
Your opinion. Here's an idea; back it up with evidence.
Nope. The reaction to homosexuality is the assault on reason .. a grotesque absurdity ... an abomination.
Got news for you, all humans are beasts (or in a more specific and realistic term, animals). No religious dogma and rhetoric can change that fact.
You mean your idea of "civic order".
That's because the scriptures are contrary to nature.
Nope. The victims are those that are persecuted because of some irrational and unrealistic view of natural phenomena.
Like the churches' need for rationalizing its unnatural views on natural issues?
Nobody has ever tried to push their religiosity upon me...that made any real difference,
anyway. I'm assuming that you're in a similiar position.
The Mormons & J.W.'s on the doorstep early on the weekends at times can be an
annoyance, but it's nothing a Rottweiler bouncing off the picture window doesn't
cure.
Haters? Bigots? You mean the types of people that cannot handle anyone else that don't follow their particular views (views like homosexuality is unnatural and that sort of thing)?
You haven't noticed that religions have been trying to push their agendas onto others? You've never heard of critters such as "missionaries"? JWs?
Ah. There ya go. You don't allow others to stick you with their views. Good lad.
Maybe I've made the place look too warm & inviting that it attracts The J.W.'s &
Mormons, I guess:
....but it's something I can work on in the future.
Mormons, I guess:
....but it's something I can work on in the future.
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Haters? Bigots? You mean the types of people that cannot handle anyone else that don't follow their particular views (views like homosexuality is unnatural and that sort of thing)?
No, I mean those folks that don't subscribe to the ideology that they feel they must target with over generalizations and derision.
Lemme ask you, has Catholic doctrine directly affected you in terms of being forced to live up to the tenants they believe in?.. Did local priest or the Pope come to your home and demand that you live by their beliefs?
How about Islam, Voodoo, Buddhists, the local Elks Club or a psychiatrist in your area?.. Those groups all have examples of all manner of abuse and deviants, yet everyone understands that it is not reasonable to over generalize every member of those groups... But magically, Catholicism is excused from even a semblance of that basic courtesy
In the end, it is bigotry and if this style of derision was directed at Africans, Asians or Jews; there would be an outpouring of defense and protection from the very same people that are on the attack in this thread. They all would be using words like bigot and hater to describe those that derided those groups
It's hypocritical
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lol They don't bother me, either. I'll argue with anyone if it's a good srgument. I even argued with a friend about who'd win a war over Earth between Plutonians (with unlimited technology) and wizards and magicians from Earth. (It eventually got down to the idea that no-one would win, so I suggested the Plutonians would simply be wasting their time trying). lol
Ah. The folks that feel the need to push back when pushed by the ones I mentioned. Everyone (almost) likes pushing.
Nope. I don't allow people to think for me.[/quote]Did local priest or the Pope come to your home and demand that you live by their beliefs?[/quote]No demands. Just threats.
Islam is the same as Christianity to me; aggressive and threatening. Buddhists that I know don't preach or attempt to pressure me into their beliefs. Don't know any Elks, but I have a suspicion that they have their own set of dogma and rhetoric and would try to convert me if they had the chance. And I think psychiatrists are too busy to try their tricks on me. Or maybe they think I'm a lost cause.
Then how is it reasonable that the pope and other such people don't understand what is reasonable?
How can one be a bigot if they don't target people, but do target people's foibles and follies?
If they do indeed attack people, yes.
See, that's where most people become confused. There's a difference between actually attacking people and attacking what people believe in.
What is missing from your comments is the rationalizing of selectively targeting one group. In this specific example, it Catholicism.
In the course of this thread (and many many others) the generalization is of sexual deviancy, abuse, pedophilia and so on... Let's be honest, those are extremely strong charges to levy.
So my point is this: If those same posts were forwarded but substituted the word Catholic for, say, Africans or Asians - would that be reasonable?.. Might it be construed as bigotry?.. Quite easily, one could find numerous examples both contemporary and historically to support the comment, so does that justify it?
This is exactly what I'm driving at here. You'll notice that I am not defending Catholicism, but questioning the uber-subjectivity that abounds.
In the end, the degree of imbalance is astonishing.
In the context of this discussion, the attack has evolved from the beliefs to any and all that follow that doctrine
Maybe I've made the place look too warm & inviting that it attracts The J.W.'s &
Mormons, I guess:
....but it's something I can work on in the future.
Just let the dogs answer the door, lol. Problem solved.
Just as silly, IMO. Rationalisation is rationalisation.
Nope. Yup. Rationalising is not justifying; so nope.
Fair nuff. I agree, then.
Well there are a lot of catholics demanding that abortion be made illegal even though the current law has no effect on them.