obama warns Putin...again

Tecumsehsbones

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Roosevelt? The guy who did what Putin is doing? Taking over portions of his neighbour's land by force. We'll set aside the Indian butchetering for now.I want to hear more about the wonderful hero good stuff. Spill it.
I'm sure that's relevant to his information and intelligence, and I'm sure you have some logical reason for injecting the "hero" aspect, even though I said nothing of the sort.

Y'know, petros, given your propensity for making up facts, connecting the mutually irrelevant, and leaping to conclusions that cannot be derived from the information presented, I'm actually quite surprised you're not an AGW fanatic. You think just like they do.
 

petros

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Really? TR didn't have a bloodlust? Or do biographies and history books sweep that kind of behaviour under the rug to shine a better light on the "heroes" of the past?
 

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I sincerely doubt that, as I have read about a half dozen books on the guy..........



You, however, obviously don't have a clue what you are talking about in this instance.......
It was good of him to put us on the same page, though.

Petros the peacemaker. Who'da thunk it?

Really? TR didn't have a bloodlust? Or do biographies and history books sweep that kind of behaviour under the rug to shine a better light on the "heroes" of the past?
Did I say a single word about his lust, blood or otherwise? Nope. I said he was one of the two most informed, intelligent presidents the U.S. has had, and I said that he used "soft power," i.e. mediation skills, to end the Russo-Japanese War.

And that's all I said. Not a word about him being a hero, or even on balance a good president. Unless you're such a fool that you think "informed and intelligent" is synonymous with "good" or "heroic." Anything else is sh*t you made up and tried to ascribe to me.

Helluva contribution there.
 

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I don't think much of Obama either. I've found him to be a huge disappointment. But I try to have a little perspective.

That's exactly what Canadians have...we don't live down there.

We don't need to concern-troll about any of your myriad of captain obvious problems.

barry lovers and indeed, those that profess disappointment and unhappiness with this man-child are too close to the problem.

They were brainscrubbed early on and fed daily maintenance doses of meds by the MSM. It's a cult.

President jarrett and the little big ear man have made you a mockery.

We tell you your fly is open but you just smirk and say it's fashionable. You didn't get, don't get and now you're really getting it.

Pontificate all you like. Bluster blather boast. We don't really 'care', we're just letting you know. :lol:
 

petros

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Both our countries are in a world of sh-t with piss poor leadership on all levels.

It was good of him to put us on the same page, though.

Petros the peacemaker. Who'da thunk it?


Did I say a single word about his lust, blood or otherwise? Nope. I said he was one of the two most informed, intelligent presidents the U.S. has had, and I said that he used "soft power," i.e. mediation skills, to end the Russo-Japanese War.

And that's all I said. Not a word about him being a hero, or even on balance a good president. Unless you're such a fool that you think "informed and intelligent" is synonymous with "good" or "heroic." Anything else is sh*t you made up and tried to ascribe to me.

Helluva contribution there.
I don't have any heroes.
 

lone wolf

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Instead of sending fighter jets and ill will, I'd support sending in people who are friends with neither side just to get a sense of the truth. When citizens turn back militia and shyte happens under the cover of darkness, someone's getting hoodwinked and swung by the balls.

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Exactly why I think the whole BS fiasco is some gangster's idea to covet the power
 

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The Europeans will abandon the American ship and watch it sink, they may even punch holes in it to speed the event, already there's deals without US involvement Germany will desert. Everyone smells the bleeding American carcass. Who's got air superiority?
 

darkbeaver

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The real problem is anti-semitism. How long will the world mistreat Jews. The Jews of Ukraine are being rounded up as we speak. Israel should intervene, more. Why are the Zionist Occupied western Governments not acting like they been trained and bribed and blackmailed to do?
 

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Here in Spain’s sunny south, you wouldn’t know that a new world war over Eastern Europe threatens. In fact, rumor has it that none other than Vlad Putin is house-shopping in this glamorous resort.

Easter is Europe’s most important holiday. While churches are empty, restaurants, clubs and boutiques are packed with visitors and residents. Northern Spain is racked by record unemployment and a deep recession, but armies of British, French and German tourists are back in the south and the mood is upbeat.


To Spaniards, the dangerous fracas over Ukraine seems remote and unimportant. Western Europeans are taking this nasty business calmly. There is none of the media hysteria and patriotic drum beating found in North America. No one that I’ve met thinks Ukraine is worth a war, even a small one.


To paraphrase the great statesman Bismarck, Ukraine is not worth the life of a single Prussian grenadier. I recalled this famous maxim at dinner the other night here in Marbella where I’m a house guest of the Bismarck family, which is reunited here for Easter.


Prince Bismarck would never have allowed Ukraine to boil over and set the United States, its appendage NATO, and Russia on a collision course. He would have been horrified to see Washington foolishly making enemies of Russia and China at the same time.

Divide your enemies and set then against one another was the essence of Bismarck’s brilliantly effective diplomacy. Had Kaiser Wilhelm II retained Bismarck as his premier foreign policy advisor, Germany may have avoided blundering into the horrors of World War I.


President Putin keeps bringing up history to justify his assertive policies towards Ukraine and Crimea. This annoys Americans, who know little about history and refuse to accept Russia as a great power- and certainly not as an equal.

Recently, Sen. John McCain, the voice of America’s ignorant right, sneered that Russia was merely “a gas station masquerading as a country.” Gas stations do not produce the likes of Tolstoy, Borodin, Rimsky-Korsakov, Prokofiev, or the very smart Vlad Putin. They do, however, produce puny intellects like McCain.


Just as Russia provided the US with a diplomatic exit from blundering into a war with Syria, so the Kremlin is again offering Washington a way out of the Ukraine imbroglio.


That way out consists of a Ukraine-wide referendum to allow each region to determine whether it wants to align with Europe or Russia. Russian must be made a second official language. Most important, the US and NATO have got to halt their daft plan to set up bases in Ukraine and bring it in the alliance. These bases will enrage Russia without boosting NATO’s power.

In fact, NATO’s would-be bases in Ukraine, Georgia, and Azerbaijan, as well as the Baltic, are a major military liability to the alliance which is incapable of defending them if the Russians get really angry.


Speaking of history, it’s also worth recalling past efforts to weaken Russia by detaching Ukraine, its most important center of agriculture and coal. In 1917, after the collapse of the Romanov dynasty, Russia sued for peace. The result was the rapacious Treaty of Brest-Litowsk in which the Germany and Austria stripped away Ukraine, parts of today’s Romania, and the Baltic states from Russian control.

Ukraine was briefly independent during the 1920’s Russian civil war. Stalin crushed Ukraine’s independent farmers, murdering 6-7 million in a 1930’s holocaust. To no surprise, invading German troops were greeted as liberators by many Ukrainians. But Hitler decided to turn Ukraine into Germany’s granary and its people into serfs.

The US and NATO are now trying to impose a second Brest-Litowsk on Russia. Without Ukraine, Russia can not return to being a world power. Stalin undid Brest-Litowsk. Vlad Putin is determined that the punitive eastern version of the “Versailles Treaty” will not be again imposed on Mother Russia. Pity the poor Ukrainians caught between the crushing millstones of East and West.


After the 1878 Congress of Berlin that Bismarck organized to sort out the great power’s conflicting claims to the volatile Balkans, the Iron Chancellor observed that no one had asked the locals involved their opinion. Fast forward to today’s Ukraine where Bismarck’s wise advise still rings true.





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To Spaniards, the dangerous fracas over Ukraine seems remote and unimportant. Western Europeans are taking this nasty business calmly. There is none of the media hysteria and patriotic drum beating found in North America. No one that I’ve met thinks Ukraine is worth a war, even a small one.



And that's the way it should be - a nation's affairs are settled by its own people, not by foreigners. Thankfully, the drum beaters have been sobered by our horrible experiences in two foreign wars. This is why they were less enthusiastic about urging Washington DC to intervene in Syria or Crimea.
 

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Putin is rolling Obama. Ukraine is only part of the initial phase of restoration of the Russian sphere of influence. Russia faces a ****less and weak America. Thus, the temptation to proceed to the second phase of the restoration is too great to pass up. This will divert some of Obama's focus on domestic transformation toward trying to hold NATO together. Obama will announce next week that US Army forces will establish a presence in Poland on a rotational basis. The American soldiers will essentially be hostages.

China has been paying attention to the actions in Ukraine and the Middle East, has observed Obama's ****lessness, and will take advantage of it in its disputes with its smaller neighbors. We live in interesting times.