Only problem with that tactic is that all nations would insist on that same sort of treatment.
obama warns Putin...again
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Allowing psychotic meglomaniacs to run amok without consequence is dangerous to peace.
Wars start when the lines and the determination to enforce those lines are not clearly understood.
Obama is Chamberlain, when what we need is Churchill. Remember, it was not Churchill that fumbled the world into war, but Chamberlain.
No surprise that Obama removed the bust of Churchill that had been in the Oval Office since WWII, and returned it to Great Britain.....it must have made him feel so insignificant.
What was Bush when he raised not a peep when Putin invaded Georgia? Or does your ODS block your memory of that?
Wrong.
It is not all the US can do.
It could supply Ukraine with weapons, instead of lunch. It could increase its ability to fight. That would (of course) not make Ukraine able to handle Russia, but it would achieve two things: it would ensure that Russia could not invade western Ukraine with impunity, and more importantly, it would show Putin that the west WILL push back.
It could offer NATO states on the borders increased military support.
It could point out the treaty guaranteeing Ukrainian territorial integrity that was signed by both the US and Russia, and (secretly) offer the Ukraine troop on the ground in western Ukraine.......with the understanding that they are a trigger ONLY, and will not move on Russian forces in eastern Ukraine. Let Putin know they are there when it is a fait accompli.....not that he won't notice them being flown in. Perhaps a nice big air drop into western Ukraine would get his attention. You know, with a HEY ****HEAD phone call to Putin to inform him his days of stealing lunch money are over.
Brinkmanship??
Absolutely.
It is the ONLY way to deal with bullies.
In other words, they can stop Putin HERE, draw the line in the sand, and MEAN It............
Did you hear me praise Bush for his lack of action in Georgia??
Or western gov'ts for failing to understand what that meant??
As well, Mr. Bush was a little preoccupied.
You're calling Obama "Chamberlain" for appeasing Putin. So what was Bush?
Please note that I did not ask whether or not you praised Bush. In case you are actually operating under the delusion that you answered the question.
Putin's whole strategic gameplan is to take advantage of the economic and social tailspin the West is in, in the US and EU especially, as it flails in financial, political and moral quicksand with more nationally structured and culturally integral alternatives. I think he might be enjoying Obama's empty threats.. his hand on that spigot of Russian Natural Gas.. which Europe craves like a heroin addiction.
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Feeling a little grumpy today??
We are not talking about Georgia, but Ukraine.
Did the USA have a treaty with Georgia guaranteeing its territorial integrity??
Kiss me gently, give me all your money, and do my dishes.
NOW you've answered the question. Thanks. Just what I figured.
I'm not sure the closet door hinges can take the strain.
No, no! Your weight is perfect, according to my chart here.
You're just nine inches too short.
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Sure we do. We could and it would be a blood bath for all.
They didn't? Still can't get over that you didn't see a Vietnam? Too bed eh?
lol... Don't tell me you're a wannabee Australian now?
Just because your wife pulled you from Canada by your nose to Australian doesn't make you one.
Yeah... ever since Canada led the indiscriminate carpet bombing of Libya, led an illegal war, and assisted in assassinating another countries leader you've been all bent out of shape.
Invading their 3rd World neighbor. Big balls there.
No.
No. (if it is a minus do you still want it?)
Fired through an open window, all done.
What's the 3 count at now .... 2 3/8???
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Diplomats demand end to violence in Ukraine
In Geneva, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said the words agreed to on paper must be followed by actions. Andrii Deshchytsia, Ukraine's foreign minister, said the "joint efforts to launch the de-escalation … will be a test for Russia to show that it is really willing to have stability in this region."
Kerry said that if Moscow does not abide by the agreement, "we will have no choice but to impose further costs on Russia."
But Russia denies it is doing anything in East Ukraine, where pro-Russian militants have taken over offices and government buildings in at least 8 cities. So it was unclear what Russia would have to do under the agreement. Also, Europe has been able to agree on whether to impose sanctions on Russian experts, which would hurt its economy as well as Russia's.
Experts noted that Kerry and other Western diplomats agreed to hold off on imposing more sanctions against Russia if it went along with the agreement. Steven Pifer, who served as ambassador to Ukraine under President Bill Clinton, said the big question now is whether the statement will be implemented.
If the militants do not end their occupations, the West "should take it as evidence the Russians did not do their part" to uphold the agreement, Pifer said.
"If the Russian government came out and told people to knock it off, my guess is these things would stop or at least they would begin to decrease in number."
The participants agreed not to issue new sanctions on Russia, but that obligation should be abandoned if the groups do not disband, he said.
"If there's no move to disarm these groups or get them to evacuate buildings, that the West should consider harsher sanctions," Pifer said.
Meanwhile, Putin admitted for the first time in a wide-ranging radio interview in Moscow that the troops in unmarked uniforms who captured Ukraine's Crimean peninsula before its annexation last month by Moscow were indeed Russian soldiers.
"They acted politely, but resolutely and professionally," he said. "There was no other way to hold the referendum in an open, honest and honorable way and allow the people to express their opinion."
In Geneva, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said the words agreed to on paper must be followed by actions. Andrii Deshchytsia, Ukraine's foreign minister, said the "joint efforts to launch the de-escalation … will be a test for Russia to show that it is really willing to have stability in this region."
Kerry said that if Moscow does not abide by the agreement, "we will have no choice but to impose further costs on Russia."
But Russia denies it is doing anything in East Ukraine, where pro-Russian militants have taken over offices and government buildings in at least 8 cities. So it was unclear what Russia would have to do under the agreement. Also, Europe has been able to agree on whether to impose sanctions on Russian experts, which would hurt its economy as well as Russia's.
Experts noted that Kerry and other Western diplomats agreed to hold off on imposing more sanctions against Russia if it went along with the agreement. Steven Pifer, who served as ambassador to Ukraine under President Bill Clinton, said the big question now is whether the statement will be implemented.
If the militants do not end their occupations, the West "should take it as evidence the Russians did not do their part" to uphold the agreement, Pifer said.
"If the Russian government came out and told people to knock it off, my guess is these things would stop or at least they would begin to decrease in number."
The participants agreed not to issue new sanctions on Russia, but that obligation should be abandoned if the groups do not disband, he said.
"If there's no move to disarm these groups or get them to evacuate buildings, that the West should consider harsher sanctions," Pifer said.
Meanwhile, Putin admitted for the first time in a wide-ranging radio interview in Moscow that the troops in unmarked uniforms who captured Ukraine's Crimean peninsula before its annexation last month by Moscow were indeed Russian soldiers.
"They acted politely, but resolutely and professionally," he said. "There was no other way to hold the referendum in an open, honest and honorable way and allow the people to express their opinion."
And then we'd see the Anti-War Movement get all ramped up again!
Yeah right. We haven't heard a peep from them since 2008.
Navy's doing what it can. Beefing up activity in the Baltic and the Eastern Med. We're strengthening Poland. More moves in the offing.
I know you and Colpy pretty much hate Obama, Eagle. But you aren't so far out that you've decided you love Putin and Assad, and hope for death and destruction in Syria and Ukraine, as long as it embarrasses Obama.
Wish I could say the same for everybody here.
Instead of sending fighter jets and ill will, I'd support sending in people who are friends with neither side just to get a sense of the truth. When citizens turn back militia and shyte happens under the cover of darkness, someone's getting hoodwinked and swung by the balls.
