So....your belief that the "standard" explanation is BS, and that Osama bin Laden is NOT responsible is built entirely out of.....nothing.
Well, you are the first one to admit that, to your credit.
NATO nations set to reap spoils of Libya war
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So....your belief that the "standard" explanation is BS, and that Osama bin Laden is NOT responsible is built entirely out of.....nothing.
Well, you are the first one to admit that, to your credit.
Please don't make assumptions about what I believe and don't believe. and you are not even close in the above. It's that knee jerk response that does one in every time.
Do I accept the "official " explanation as FACT??? No.
Do I think OBL has a responsibility in that event? Of course.
Do I think the USG has some involvement - active or passive ?? Yes.
Can I prove it?? No.
Is there more information to come out?? Would say yes.
But for now......am keeping an open mind and assessing each bit of info and how it fits into the total dynamic.
It is not the crime of the century as Hitler and his kind take the top billing for that.
Has 9-11 been shamefully used and abused to create an atmosphere of fear and almost paralysis ?? yes. People who used to question everything .....stopped. The threat of being branded unpatriotic helped to keep the population quiet . That is NOT how true americans function. They question and demand answers.......but the fearmongering worked so well......the american collective psyche changed.
Has the event been used to further other US agenda that would not have been able to be passed with out the excuse of "national security"
Has 9-11 HELPED the USG ??? of course. and in ways that many refuse to look at. Playing the victim card to activate policies that otherwise would be condemned is how they manipulated the peoples minds.
Would the people have willingly sacrificed some of their freedoms in the name of national security , "love of their country " and other such patriotic slogans?? Yes.
Not bad....except the bit about US gov't involvement.
You were doing so well.
To think that the USG (as you call them) were involved in the murder of 3,000 of their own citizens, in attacks on the centres of their economic and their military power is not only paranoid, it is ludicrous.
Have they used the terror threat to increase their power??? Yes.
Have they passed extremely dubious laws and involved themselves in actions that have debased their position as leader of the free world??
Yes.
Are they still better than any known alternative? Yes.
Are they in balance a force for good in the world, relatively speaking??? Yes.
Can I prove the USG was involved- passively as in allowing the event to happen as they knew how they could use it to their advantage .........particularly when bush's rating were falling and he was just aimlessly not doing anything of significance to move the country forward in a progressive way that it was used to.- No of course not.
Do I think it is POSSIBLE that some aspect of the USG was involved in the event to create an incident that would startle the people and the world dramatically and change the course of history giving the US even more power using such an event to their selfish advantage??? Yes.
Does the US have a history of black ops and other politically motivated CIA type events that created "situations " or change in favor of the US ??? of course.
Is the USG capable of it?? Absolutely. Maybe this is why the event tok place in the morning. would minimze the human casualties but still create the effect and outcomes desired.
and then there is the all telling question: WHO BENEFITS??
who benefitted the most from the event???
Libya says No to "observation" plan.
(good for them. It is their choice, their country and up to them how it evolves from now. )
UN shelves Libya military observer plan - World - CBC News
Repeat this 10X a day and we get closer to the truth..
The U.S. had nothing to do with 9/11/2001.
The U.S. had everything to do with 9/11/2011.
The U.S. had nothing to do with 9/11/2001.
The U.S. had everything to do with 9/11/2011.
Well, they did build those tall ass buildings which are easy to hit with hijacked aircraft.
Actually.. I retract that... (can't find a retract button.. but anyway..)
The U.S. did fuel a blowback that may have led to 9/11..
There are, of course, other aspects of U.S. foreign policy over the past decades which have helped generate enemies of the United States in the Middle East and elsewhere, such as excessive U.S. support for Israel and inadequate aid for the Palestinians, U.S. backing of authoritarian regimes, and innumerable misdeeds of the U.S. empire over the past decades that have been documented by Chomsky, Herman, Johnson, Vidal, and other critics of U.S. foreign policy. Yet, while there were no doubt a multiplicity of contributing factors, the September 11 events can be read as a blowback of major policies of successive U.S. administrations and the CIA who trained, funded, supported, and armed the cadres alleged to have carried out the terrorist attacks on the United States. The obvious lesson is that it is highly dangerous and potentially costly to align one’s country with terrorist cadres; that support of groups or individuals who promote terrorism is likely to come back to haunt you; and that it is hazardous to make Machiavellian pacts with obviously brutal and treacherous forces in violent parts of the world..
September 11, Social Theory, and Blowback:
.. but no, the U.S. did not "orchestrate" 9/11.. not as an excuse for war.. they just used it as an opportunity after the fact.
As much as I would agree, I would be a bit more careful of emotionally charged phrases like that on this board. We all know about the arming of the Mujahdeen (spl.) by the CIA in Afghanistan against Russia and the arming of Iraqis against Saddam by the U.S. I will go on record that I believe that these moves are partly in an effort to do good and not simply for oil conquest or to combat communist regimes.
But I think it is prudent that everyone should accept that blowbacks are real and to be put into serious consideration before entering any conflict from now on. I still don't understand how this wasn't a spotlight talking point before we went into Libya and helped out the rebels.
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Did you ever find out who NATO was bombing in Serbia and Kosovo and who's butts they saved?
Then please Mentalfloss... enlighten us. What happened on that day?
And you are a byproduct of my eating to many sausages - Pork ya know - hear that flushing sound????
Aww... really?
I guess playing ignorant is the best course of action for you now.
Did you find out yet? Avoiding the question?
Figures.
C'mon dude don't start this now.. I'm being serious. Are you talking about the 2001 or 2011 date?
Alright, anyway, I'll just answer both to save time.
If the 2001 date, as I mentioned already, there was no U.S. conspiracy. It was a legitimate terrorist attack.
The 2011 date is just meant to show the country's economic state of affairs at that time caused by the U.S. response to the terrorist attack.
Yes, there is an attack coming. The Riders are going to kill the Winnipeg Blue suicide Bombers in the Banjo Bowl on 9-11-11 and free Manitoba from alCFL dominance.