NATO nations set to reap spoils of Libya war

Ocean Breeze

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...and it was those PEOPLE who asked for help - and waited for that help - and waited until the people whe pull the strings at NATO said go.

The rest: Bull Shyte. Lose the venom. Right now, it's not even about the United States.

don't be naive. It is ALWAYS about the US , directly or indirectly. Empires make sure of it.

.........what did you expect. Was NATO to jump at the request in a knee jerk reaction ??? They had to come up with a plan . Before going off half cocked. If the revolters were serious and they were.....the plan to help had to be formulated so as to bring the most effective short term and long term results.
 

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yeah the intelligence of someone who would actually think the U.S only plays a minimal role, wow. unbelievable.
 
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DaSleeper

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...and it was those PEOPLE who asked for help - and waited for that help - and waited until the people whe pull the strings at NATO said go.

The rest: Bull Shyte. Lose the venom. Right now, it's not even about the United States.

I see you're catching on;-)

Welcome to the club...
 

lone wolf

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don't be naive. It is ALWAYS about the US , directly or indirectly. Empires make sure of it.

.........what did you expect. Was NATO to jump at the request in a knee jerk reaction ??? They had to come up with a plan . Before going off half cocked. If the revolters were serious and they were.....the plan to help had to be formulated so as to bring the most effective short term and long term results.
Like I said: a reasonably accurate picture....

In my own guesstimation, NATO held back long enough to test the resolve of the rebellion. It's sort of like walking into domestic dispute. If you take a side, and the other isn't committed to their own battle, someone's gonna get shyte on.

yeah the intelligence of someone who would actually think the U.S is only plays a minimal role, wow. unbelievable.
Who are you? The coat boy?
 

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yeah the intelligence of someone who would actually think the U.S is only plays a minimal role, wow. unbelievable.

"... the U.S is only plays a minimal role,"

Yes, that was real intelligent!

By the way, did you ever find out who NATO was bombing in Serbia and Kosovo or are you conveniently ignoring that?
 

Ocean Breeze

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I see you're catching on;-)

Welcome to the club...

club??? of what?? anti Ocean?? YOU NEED a club??? Do you have a little tree house for your meetings?? Are you kids??? Maybe you should go back and play in your sand box and come back when you mature enough for a reasonable discussion ......that does not include poster bashing.
 

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club??? of what?? anti Ocean?? YOU NEED a club??? Do you have a little tree house for your meetings?? Are you kids??? Maybe you should go back and play in your sand box and come back when you mature enough for a reasonable discussion ......that does not include poster bashing.


dasleeper actually formulating a coherent argument, that would be a first.
the guy is usually just rambling incoherently about islam and how all muslims are terrorists and they're all a threat to our way of life. hahaha. :lol:
 

Ocean Breeze

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yeah the intelligence of someone who would actually think the U.S is only plays a minimal role, wow. unbelievable.

amazing , isn't it. The US never plays a minimal role. what is surprising is that some still don't see it or know that little factoid. Don't think they are unintelligent as such..........just not as informed as they could be.

:smile:
dasleeper actually formulating a coherent argument, that would be a first.
the guy is usually just rambling incoherently about islam and how all muslims are terrorists and they're all a threat to our way of life. hahaha. :lol:

:smile: sounds like he bought too many copies of the BUSH DOCTRINE , memorized it and now regurgitates it on here like a programmed robot. Oh well..........every now and then he does make sense. It might be accidental.;-)

Nothing personal sleeper.
 

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Corduroy : It is very easy to say if your country had blah blah as a leader you would want a regime change. But that is not realistic.

There are too many variables involved . First .........if a nation has gotten so dissatisfied with its leadership , it is THEY as a population that want to make the change. It is THEIR country and THEIR RIGHT.

what do you think we have been seeing this year?? Look at the leaders that have been removed from power .....and NOT by outside interference , but by the revolt (positive) of the people themselves. Some have asked for assistance from the outside, while others did it on their own. There is a pride in ones nationality to be able to do a people oriented change in leadership without meddling from others .
It is their own identity , and sense of nationality that matters in such major change.

Now........if the ones revolting are asking for outside assistance and the request is real and not motivated by other irrelavent reasons........ that becomes a different story. Only then can an outside agency / govt' consider assisting and HOW it would be done keeping in mind what the primary motive is. Help them achieve what THEY want with no expected "reward" for THEMSELVES and THEIR nation. Then leave.

The other variable is resistance to change. Many will resist on the basis of the devil you know is better than the one you don't know. Change is very scary for people. Particularly for people with deep cultural values.

So the upshot is: It is better for a population to do the change themselves. It reinforces their self worth , confidence and readiness for change.

There isn't an argument against the ethics of regime change. It's an argument for why it's better for internal overthrows of government. And it's overly simplistic.

Not every oppressed people is capable of throwing off their oppressors, and most of the time these people have no voice to ask for assistance. Your conditions for acceptable regime change are unrealistic in that they would make it impossible to end the most abusive regimes and regimes willing to mass murder their own population to maintain power. They would force us to stand idly by in the face of every genocide that has ever occurred.

NO? Why not?

Because we're talking about the principle of regime change, not any specifics in Libya.
 

DaSleeper

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club??? of what?? anti Ocean?? YOU NEED a club??? Do you have a little tree house for your meetings?? Are you kids??? Maybe you should go back and play in your sand box and come back when you mature enough for a reasonable discussion ......that does not include poster bashing.

The club of those who recognise American hating tunnel vision....:roll:


Nothing personal OB
 

CDNBear

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....but your fine post prompted a lot of thoughts that I have had for some time.
Another fine post, because it agrees with OB.

Yes......I do know what observe means. I also know that humans observing other humans cannot be totally objective.....as observations are subjective to the one doing the observing.
BS.

IF observation was such an accurate tool.........how come they have to rely on physical probes and groping at the airports now??
When was the last time an Israeli plane was hijacked?

IF simple observation was so accurate ........they would have no need for the scanners and other intrusive devices at the US "security check points.
Yes they would, because people like you cry about profiling.

don't be naive. It is ALWAYS about the US , directly or indirectly. Empires make sure of it.
You spelled morons wrong.

club??? of what?? anti Ocean?? YOU NEED a club??? Do you have a little tree house for your meetings??
Looking for a change of scenery?

Are you kids???
Why/ Are you upset at the thought that a child might be tearing apart your nonsense, and seeing through your facade?

Maybe you should go back and play in your sand box and come back when you mature enough for a reasonable discussion ...
Why bother? You still won't be up to par then anyways.

...that does not include poster bashing.
YA!!! Only you get to do that, right?

dasleeper actually formulating a coherent argument, that would be a first.
Only if you finally addressed your severe comprehension issues, and were able to recognize it.
the guy is usually just rambling incoherently about islam and how all muslims are terrorists and they're all a threat to our way of life. hahaha. :lol:
DaS said that? Maybe you could show us a post or two, to support that accusation.

amazing , isn't it. The US never plays a minimal role. what is surprising is that some still don't see it or know that little factoid.


You're right, it is a factoid...

A factoid is a questionable or spurious—unverified, incorrect, or fabricated—statement presented as a fact, but with no veracity. The word can also be used to describe a particularly insignificant or novel fact, in the absence of much relevant context.[1]
Everyone of you posts is a factoid.

You just have to love it when the dhimwits burn themselves!!!

Don't think they are unintelligent as such..........just not as informed as they could be.
No, we are intelligent and informed. We just prefer fact, not factoids like you.

sounds like he bought too many copies of the BUSH DOCTRINE , memorized it and now regurgitates it on here like a programmed robot.
You sound like an idiot, mindlessly parroting other opinions.

Oh well..........every now and then he does make sense. It might be accidental.;-)
Given your penchant for factoids and not facts. My guess is the only time you think he makes sense is when he's posting a joke.
 
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Ocean Breeze

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Nothing personal OB

thank you. Glad to hear that.;-) Great graphics , BTW. Well done.
 

Ocean Breeze

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As per your M.O.......you miss the obvious

as is obvious , you have little to contribute to the topic and only want to bash OB........so to prevent having to see any more of your crap , you are now on ignore.

Have a nice day.
 

CDNBear

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as is obvious , you have little to contribute to the topic and only want to bash OB........so to prevent having to see any more of your crap , you are now on ignore.
As is the customary response to having your facade tugged on.

Have a nice day.
So long as you keep posting, and I get to keep replying to your insipid posts, I will have many.
 

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Leaked: UN’s Plan for Post-Gadhafi Libya

NATO 'Mandate' to Continue Beyond Regime's Fall

by Jason Ditz, August 29, 2011 Leaked: UN’s Plan for Post-Gadhafi Libya -- News from Antiwar.com
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A new leaked document today reveals the United Nations’ vision for and preparations toward the inevitable post-Gadhafi Libya, complete with plans for foreign “military observers” and UN-run elections.
The UN plan also insists that the UN Security Council “mandate” that NATO used as a pretext for war isn’t going to actually end with the fall of the Gadhafi regime, and that the UN considers NATO to have an open-ended mandate to do whatever it wants to “protect civilians” going forward


Leaked: UN’s Plan for Post-Gadhafi Libya -- News from Antiwar.com


......amazing how they phrase their plans and decisions so as to be vague enough to almost sound reasonable and favoring the Libyan people. when other motives are in play.

an aside: but one does wonder how these politicians can live with themselves.

OMG!!!! The horror! A plan to arrest Gaddafi's toturers........to protect civilians by restoring order with a 15,000 man Arab contingent, to establish a Libyan CBC, and to institute free elections!

OMG!!!

The horror!!!

LOL.....