National Post: NDP making huge gains as Canada tilts leftward

[Cabbagesandking]

Comparing numbers between the two countries is pretty much a useless exercise. Unless everything is the same what's the point? Home heating costs in Florida vs. the Yukon!! Cost of groceries in N.Y.C. vs. Iqaluit!! Clothing costs in Phoenix vs. Yellowknife!! Must I carry on? :lol:

You should carry on after you have given it a little more thought. Thoe two Canadian entities have about 1/10th 0f 1% of the Canadian population. Thay make no difference to the ratios. And many far more populous Alaskan places have correspondingly high prices. The comparison, and what it means, are valid since they serve to show why the numbers of non-tax payers in the US may be quite high.

Amore reasonable question is why so many do who are just a little out of the poverty group.

 

[lone wolf]

Who doesn't pay taxes? There's HST on just about everything - and the rebate is just a tip in return

 

[JLM]

You should carry on after you have given it a little more thought. Thoe two Canadian entities have about 1/10th 0f 1% of the Canadian population. Thay make no difference to the ratios. And many far more populous Alaskan places have correspondingly high prices. The comparison, and what it means, are valid since they serve to show why the numbers of non-tax payers in the US may be quite high.

Amore reasonable question is why so many do who are just a little out of the poverty group.

OK heating costs in Calgary vs. Houston, Grocery costs in Montreal vs. N.Y.C. Clothing costs in Edmonton vs. New Orleans! Happier now?

 

[Cabbagesandking]

I wonder how many have actually given thought to the roots of the Quebec protests and the OWS movement (which is not dead, btw). They started like all such movements as a wave of soceatal discontent that focused around a single idea initially.

The reality of Quebec is that its is the expression of frustration by a society that is rapidly marginalizing large numbers. The youth have little prospect of secure employment in the future and what they will have will be lower paid than workers have today. All the effects of Globalisation and the other destructors of the lifestyle that the West has enjoyed (including inaction over climate change) that make the future uncertain and bleak are at the bottom.

OWS and the branch efforts have the same impetus.

The Pharasaic and holier than thou sentiments of those who are relatively secure or too self absorbed to or apathetic to be involved are meaningless.

The French and American revolutions started in anarchic incoherence. So did the early Union protests that gave you the standards you have today - and are losing with the assault on Unions and working people that began thirty years ago and is being intensified by the Harper government.

OK heating costs in Calgary vs. Houston, Grocery costs in Montreal vs. N.Y.C. Clothing costs in Edmonton vs. New Orleans! Happier now?

It stoll does not mean much except to highlight the gerater disparity in the US where the incomes are so inadequate for more than half the population that they subsist on insufficient welfare or income to live with certain lower costs of living.

 

[JLM]

It stoll does not mean much except to highlight the gerater disparity in the US where the incomes are so inadequate for more than half the population that they subsist on insufficient welfare or income to live with certain lower costs of living.

I think the fact remains it costs more to live in Canada as we have 1/10th the population hence less able to take advantage of mass purchasing, higher cost per capita for infrastructure, higher costs due to climate, less arable land, Land plus climate not conducive to number of crops, etc. etc. etc.

 

[Goober]

BS fool.

The median income of Canadians is less than $30K/yr. You could save maybe 15% of this income which would add up to just about sweet fuk all to retire on.

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Check the link Freakboy- Your numbers like your opinion were pulled out of your arse. Oh yes- Stats Can must also be a Jew ridden/controlled organization- Blame it on the Jews.

Average income after tax by economic family types

Oh yes- Waiting for the Reddie.

 

[gopher]

Perhaps you missed the whole occupy wall street thingy... Entitlement was the central theme.

Present evidence to support your claim that people were asking for welfare handouts rather than economic and social justice.


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Here is my evidence that corporate welfare queen Roger Goodell threatened Minnesota is he didn't get his billion dollar welfare handout:

Goodell tells Minnesota governor failure to pass stadium bill will trigger “serious consequences” | ProFootballTalk

 

[Cliffy]

Present evidence to support your claim that people were asking for welfare handouts rather than economic and social justice.

He can't. He is just blowing smoke out his ass, as usual.

 

[mentalfloss]

May 2012: Federal Poll averages confirm NDP has taken the lead in the polls. Seat distribution shows they still have a ways to go to become the next sitting government.

http://www.threehundredeight.blogspot.ca/

 

[JLM]

May 2012: Federal Poll averages confirm NDP has taken the lead in the polls. Seat distribution shows they still have a ways to go to become the next sitting government.

ThreeHundredEight.com

I wouldn't get too excited about that, smart people realize "figures can lie and liars can figure".

 

[Nuggler]

8O..............NDP making huge gains as Canada's left tit.

Harper's already got the right one.

There's only so many to go around.

Libs are just stuck in the middle with..................?

 

[mentalfloss]

Naval gazing.

 

[CDNBear]

If you are well aware then why do you ask?

So in other words, you can't.

Gotchya.

And I am, indeed, quite sure that NO province other than Newfoundland has any legal claim to a Right of self determination.

No doubt you're sure. Given your understanding of self determination, it comes as no surprise.

You should avoid getting into a Constitutional hassle. The implication of your post shows that it is far beyond your education.

Given that it's called the Helsinki Accords, and it defers to the fundamental human right of self determination, not frame it, as you implied. Your silly accusation is simply more of your ridiculous chest thumping nonsense.

Maybe if you actually brushed up on International Law, in particular, the fundamental right to self determination. You could have a reasoned discussion on the subject, instead of the nonsense you keep posting, to avoid discussion. You're obviously tired of embarrassing yourself, so I understand your present course of action.

The movement was about wealth disparity, full stop.

The movement, yes. All the participants, no.

Then you're naive. It's entirely plausible that someone can manage their expenses to afford an iPhone, but still does not make enough to afford rent.

Then you're a spoiled prat. It's entirely plausible that someone would manage their expenses and avoid wasteful purchases like iPhones, while saving to get themselves off the street.

If you can't afford rent, you can't afford an iPhone.

It's all about priorities. Those OWS participants that complained about not being able to eat, pay rent or what have you, that manage to buy an iPhone and maintain service, and yourself apparently, show a seriously skewed set of priorities.

 

[gopher]

He can't. He is just blowing smoke out his ass, as usual.

No surprise as what he wrote is typical of right wingers on this forum.

But I'll ask one more time just to be sporting about it:


Hey Capt ~ still waiting for your "proof" .....

 

[Cabbagesandking]

So in other words, you can't.

Gotchya.

No doubt you're sure. Given your understanding of self determination, it comes as no surprise.

Given that it's called the Helsinki Accords, and it defers to the fundamental human right of self determination, not frame it, as you implied. Your silly accusation is simply more of your ridiculous chest thumping nonsense.

Maybe if you actually brushed up on International Law, in particular, the fundamental right to self determination. You could have a reasoned discussion on the subject, instead of the nonsense you keep posting, to avoid discussion. You're obviously tired of embarrassing yourself, so I understand your present course of action.

The movement, yes. All the participants, no.

Then you're a spoiled prat. It's entirely plausible that someone would manage their expenses and avoid wasteful purchases like iPhones, while saving to get themselves off the street.

If you can't afford rent, you can't afford an iPhone.

It's all about priorities. Those OWS participants that complained about not being able to eat, pay rent or what have you, that manage to buy an iPhone and maintain service, and yourself apparently, show a seriously skewed set of priorities.

It is the Helsinki Agreements also known as the Helsinki Accords. The relevany part is known as the Final Act. And I will happily have a reasoned discussion about it with anyone who knows or wants to know anything about self determination.

That leaves you out as you are just an ignorant twit, I was writing screeds about this issue before yoy=u were out of short pants. The United Nations in the case of Davidson & ? - a reference about Quebec's language laws, accepted my position on Quebec. So just don't make yourself look a bigger fool than you are known to be.

I had discussions about that question with people like Frank Scott anf Eugene Forsey.

 

[captain morgan]

No surprise as what he wrote is typical of right wingers on this forum.

But I'll ask one more time just to be sporting about it:


Hey Capt ~ still waiting for your "proof" .....

Present evidence to support your claim that people were asking for welfare handouts rather than economic and social justice.

I never stated they were 'asking' for welfare handouts, my comment was founded on the auspices of 'entitlement'.

You want proof of that, simply review any of the numerous representatives that claim to speak on behalf of the 'movement' (bowel perhaps?). The fact is this; no one is preventing any of these individuals from achieving whatever goals the set for themselves. The only hurdle that they face is themselves individually.

Factor-in the attitude that they believe that there is an inequity and therefore the funds/compensation/wealth must be dispersed in a more equitable fashion (conveniently defined by the ows'ers). That said, tell me how the expectation of money/compensation (whatever) should be doled-out with regard for having to earn it doesn't qualify as a hand-out - or in other words - welfare?

You speak of 'social and economic justice'... What does that really mean? Who defines it? Do we drag everyone down to the same level of 'equality' or do we seek to encourage everyone to rise to the best level possible?

All of the metrics that the ows'ers rely on are flaky and intangible at best, but it does remind me of an old Herman cartoon from way back. The 'sports/athletic day' events at a school provided equal recognition (medals/ribbons) for all participants and scolded the athletes that actually won the competitions for the heinous crime of winning a race.

The entire OWS movement is sadly reminiscent of that cartoon. The difference being, Bill Unger was joking - the ows'ers aren't.

Here is my evidence that corporate welfare queen Roger Goodell threatened Minnesota is he didn't get his billion dollar welfare handout:

Goodell tells Minnesota governor failure to pass stadium bill will trigger “serious consequences” | ProFootballTalk

So, was Goodell bringing any benefit to Minnesota? I don't care if it was tangible or intangible, because in the end, the State made a decision to either support his demands or not - and that decision would be solely based on any benefit that was wrought.

This is the big difference, Goodell is at least suggesting that a pro team will deliver benefits to the economy (regardless if it's true or not). The ows'ers can't even articulate their position let alone provide a shred of the value to the community at large.

He can't. He is just blowing smoke out his ass, as usual.

Cliffy, in a way, you represent the original occupier attitude.... It's all about what you subjectively deem that society owes you.

I understand that you made a conscious decision to drop-off the grid and live in the woods, but when you needed the resources that the community (which you deride so much) like healthcare, well, you demand and consume them as some kind of inalienable right.

Let me ask you, for someone that deliberately decided to refuse to contribute to society, what made you believe that the benefits should be delivered to you without question... Entitlement perhaps?

 

[Cliffy]

Cliffy, in a way, you represent the original occupier attitude.... It's all about what you subjectively deem that society owes you.

I understand that you made a conscious decision to drop-off the grid and live in the woods, but when you needed the resources that the community (which you deride so much) like healthcare, well, you demand and consume them as some kind of inalienable right.

Let me ask you, for someone that deliberately decided to refuse to contribute to society, what made you believe that the benefits should be delivered to you without question... Entitlement perhaps?

I worked in the corporate world. I went to live in the forest as a matter of survival. 32 years ago, when that choice was no longer available to me, I was forced back into the main stream. Since then I have worked, I have owned businesses, I have been on the board of directors for many organizations, have volunteered innumerable hours to help make my communities a better place for the poor, the mentally and physically infirm, I have written 6 books, produced hundreds of works of art, rebuilt, upgraded and sold hundreds of computers, built about 20 houses, farmed, gardened, acted in plays, played music and sang in bands, etc, etc. What have you accomplished? What have you done for your communities?

Like I said, you are just blowing smoke. You are a vacuously empty soul befouling the lives of others.

 

[JLM]

I worked in the corporate world. I went to live in the forest as a matter of survival. 32 years ago, when that choice was no longer available to me, I was forced back into the main stream. Since then I have worked, I have owned businesses, I have been on the board of directors for many organizations, have volunteered innumerable hours to help make my communities a better place for the poor, the mentally and physically infirm, I have written 6 books, produced hundreds of works of art, rebuilt, upgraded and sold hundreds of computers, built about 20 houses, farmed, gardened, acted in plays, played music and sang in bands, etc, etc. What have you accomplished? What have you done for your communities?

Like I said, you are just blowing smoke. You are a vacuously empty soul befouling the lives of others.

Well spoken Cliffy!

 

[captain morgan]

I worked in the corporate world. I went to live in the forest as a matter of survival. 32 years ago, when that choice was no longer available to me, I was forced back into the main stream. Since then I have worked, I have owned businesses, I have been on the board of directors for many organizations, have volunteered innumerable hours to help make my communities a better place for the poor, the mentally and physically infirm, I have written 6 books, produced hundreds of works of art, rebuilt, upgraded and sold hundreds of computers, built about 20 houses, farmed, gardened, acted in plays, played music and sang in bands, etc, etc. What have you accomplished? What have you done for your communities?

Like I said, you are just blowing smoke. You are a vacuously empty soul befouling the lives of others.

Sure Cliffy... You're the only person on the planet that has ever given back to the community.

You sure do lead a sheltered life.

 

[JLM]

Sure Cliffy... You're the only person on the planet that has ever given back to the community.

You sure do lead a sheltered life.

Is that the best you can do C.M.? Of all the posters on here Cliffy is possibly the least intrusive and least harmful to the planet. When you ask a person a question you get what you get. "Let me ask you, for someone that deliberately decided to refuse to contribute to society, what made you believe that the benefits should be delivered to you without question... Entitlement perhaps?" REMEMBER?