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captain morgan

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Total spill costs are still near $40 Billion, including settlements with the seafood industry and other economic losses and medical expenses for the clean-up workers. That's just the figure on the BP sheets. Transocean, Halliburton, and Cameron still have open claims against them yet to be decided/settled. All around, that spill and the events surrounding it are a fiasco.


No doubt.

I'm unsure about Transocean, but Haliburton has already moved head office to Dubai or the UAE. Both of the aforementioned were never hung out to dry at the inception of the disaster like BP was, especially concerning the issue of cash and compensation. It's disturbing in the sense that the feds singled-out one group and left unmentioned the others (including themselves)

Canadian soldier heroes in boxes at CFB Trenton to be repatriated are the neo Cons answer to the brown bag fiasco.



You are one heartless dude liberalman
 

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There will be a vast difference in what is deemed welfare between the providers and the recipients.




Quid pro quo.... That's the big difference between the NFL and the occupiers





Ahhhh, are we forgetting that the direct cash infusion from BP almost broke the company? Billions of dollars in from the company and as it turns-out, the environmental damage was only a fraction of what was projected.

While we're at it, let's not forget that Obama had regulators involved with that project from day1 and they gave all the approvals for the work that lead to the disaster. The feds did (and do) owe compensation and support to the local communities for the role that they played in that fiasco



Disposable income is a direct expression of expenses and lifestyle.




No one can touch the liberals on this, it doesn't get much more fraudulent when you're handing out 100's of millions in brown bags.



''Quid pro quo...." ~ it's the taxpayers that provides the labor & taxes which enriches those elites and keeps society going. Without us those elites are nobody.


"environmental damage was only a fraction of what was projected" ~ correction: it was in the billions as noted above. Further it damaged 125 miles of coastline and polluted waters to a distance of some 600 miles, killed wildlife, and hurt people's livelihoods. Most of them, of course, were bailed out by taxpayers who will never get a cent from the government.

"Obama had regulators involved with that project from day1" ~ very convenient to blame Obama despite decades of deregulation. While it is true that this disaster took place under his watch the real blame has to go to both parties for continually kissing up to the power elite who demand and always get deregulation. Unfortunately, unlike the past, there are just too many people who remain silent while the elites impose their demands and put politicians into office who readily accede to their demands. By contrast, when OWS protests and say their demands are not being met, they are attacked for speaking the truth. In my book it is better to regulate and to prevent these disasters. But mark my word, it will happen again because politicians refuse to regulate as profits come before people who are then forced to pay for the cleanups while the elites count their money.

"100's of millions in brown bags" ~ compare that to a few trillion in welfare to the military industrial complex and other forms of corporate welfare.
 

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''Quid pro quo...." ~ it's the taxpayers that provides the labor & taxes which enriches those elites and keeps society going. Without us those elites are nobody.

Labour is compensated for that service and if you add-up the taxes collected from corporations (not to mention 'the elites'), it will eclipse the total paid by us little people.

If you don't want to 'enrich the elites', stop buying their goods and services... It's that simple


correction: it was in the billions as noted above. Further it damaged 125 miles of coastline and polluted waters to a distance of some 600 miles, killed wildlife, and hurt people's livelihoods. Most of them, of course, were bailed out by taxpayers who will never get a cent from the government.

Carnage, mayhem and armageddon was projected based on the daily 'output' that went on for so long. Compare the volumes to that of the Exxon Valdez and the impact it had on all of the aforementioned.

It never materialized anywhere close to that degree in a real or relative sense to the Valdez, nor to those that projected doom.


"Obama had regulators involved with that project from day1" ~ very convenient to blame Obama despite decades of deregulation.

Correct, the regulatory body approved every step along the way. Haliburton, Transocean and BP couldn't drink a coffee without some form of approval, so yes, the gvt of the day has to assume some form of responsibility.


While it is true that this disaster took place under his watch the real blame has to go to both parties for continually kissing up to the power elite who demand and always get deregulation.

Never the Democrats responsibility, eh? At worst, they 'share' responsibility for anything bad and at best, they assume sole responsibility for the good things that are done.

Kudos to them, hell, I understand that Obama single handedly found and killed Bin Laden.

Impressive accomplishment


In my book it is better to regulate and to prevent these disasters. But mark my word, it will happen again because politicians refuse to regulate as profits come before people who are then forced to pay for the cleanups while the elites count their money.

It is heavily regulated at present, you want it moreso - fine... But make no mistake, taxing corporations as a solution to preventing accidents won't achieve the results you desire.


"100's of millions in brown bags" ~ compare that to a few trillion in welfare to the military industrial complex and other forms of corporate welfare.

Isn't the military a direct extension of gvt?
 

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Captain,

''If you don't want to 'enrich the elites', stop buying their goods and services... It's that simple''


I prefer that all forms of corporate welfare be ended - far better way in my view.


''It never materialized anywhere close to that degree in a real or relative sense to the Valdez, nor to those that projected doom.''


You need to get your facts straight: Valdez dumped 10 million gallons in the water. New Orleans dumped 1.5 per day for several months.

''the regulatory body approved every step along the way.''

True. But that's because the agencies are controlled by the industries they're supposed to control. It would take to reverse all those years of deregulation and the damage caused by the stupidity of allowing them to run the government.


''Obama single handedly found and killed Bin Laden."

LOL. Bush allowed him to escape in Tora Bora and said he "doesn't think about him" anymore. How thoughtless ... um, thoughtful of him.


" heavily regulated at present"


The right wing says so but that's not even remotely close to the truth. As for taxation it was higher under Clinton and he created more jobs than Bush did by a long shot.


"military"

The Constitution does allow the government to raise an army & navy but it does not authorize the creation of a military industrial complex. Dissolve that and we can reduce taxes, the bureaucracy, end foreign wars, and reduce welfare rolls of wounded vets, and stop draining society of its vital youths. If our Founding Fathers were here today they would agree.