Mark Carney (Trudeau Liberal Replacement) as PM

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Do we care about what day various cults talk to sky pilots? Or anything else. April 28 is my son's birthday. Should we have postponed the election a day because of this? It really doesn't matter to the rest of us.
The only exception to that would be IF election day was the same as a major HOCKEY Game !!!;-)
There are some things we just don't mess with ;-)
 
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The Liberals want to change the way those deficits are calculated, by splicing out government operational spending from capital spending. The platform defines capital spending as “anything that builds an asset” owned by the federal government, another level of government, or a private company. It includes spending on machinery, equipment, land and buildings, and government incentives for private investment, the platform says.

Earlier this year, Carney vowed to balance the government operating budget in three years, while using capital spending to spur the economy.

Under the plan, a Carney government would continue running budget deficits of $62.34 billion in the current fiscal year, declining to $47.8 billion in 2028-29.

A Carney government would cap — not cut — the size of the public service, and ensure program expenses grow less than 2 per cent each year, compared with almost 9-per-cent annually since 2015??? By changing the way those expenses are calculated, right?

Fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice, or three times, and then ask for a fourth try ‘cuz it’ll be different this time with almost all the same players? Thank you but no.
 

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The plans Carney released Saturday, would see the federal government dramatically increase spending and add a further $130 billion in deficit spending over four years.

Instead of a $42 billion deficit this current fiscal year, the Carney plan would see a $62 billion deficit. Next year’s projected $31 billion deficit would be $60 billion. The $30 billion projected for the following year would be $55 billion and the projected $28 billion deficit for fiscal year 2028-29 would be $48 billion.

Of course, that’s only if the Liberals make their targets, which they haven’t done in years, like 10 of them in the last three consecutive terms. They always have much higher deficits than even their own projections call for.
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The fact is, the government only hits these numbers through vague calls for finding efficiencies, read spending cuts, hiking the fines and penalties levied by the Canada Revenue Agency on tax filers and by going after industry. Four times Carney’s plan calls for “big polluter” or “big emitters” to pay more.
His favourite example of a “big polluter” has been steel mills, one of the very industries he says we need to protect from Trump’s tariffs making companies uncompetitive. Meanwhile, Carney’s plan is to increase the industrial carbon tax on Canadian companies, which will hurt industry and cost Canadian jobs.
Carney is promising a balanced budget by the end of his government’s first term in office, the same as Trudeau promised in the 2015 election that brought him to power. Flash forward to today — with the Trudeau Liberals never having produced a balanced budget in their decade in power and having blown their own deficit target of $40.1 billion for the 2023-24 fiscal year by 54% — coming in at $61.9 billion.

According to the Liberal platform released Saturday, Carney is promising to balance the budget after three years, but not in the way deficits are traditionally calculated??? The Carney Liberals say their platform is “fully costed,” but that’s what the Trudeau Liberals said in 2015, before blowing their deficits sky high.
 
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The plans Carney released Saturday, would see the federal government dramatically increase spending and add a further $130 billion in deficit spending over four years.

Instead of a $42 billion deficit this current fiscal year, the Carney plan would see a $62 billion deficit. Next year’s projected $31 billion deficit would be $60 billion. The $30 billion projected for the following year would be $55 billion and the projected $28 billion deficit for fiscal year 2028-29 would be $48 billion.

Of course, that’s only if the Liberals make their targets, which they haven’t done in years, like 10 of them in the last three consecutive terms. They always have much higher deficits than even their own projections call for.
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The fact is, the government only hits these numbers through vague calls for finding efficiencies, read spending cuts, hiking the fines and penalties levied by the Canada Revenue Agency on tax filers and by going after industry. Four times Carney’s plan calls for “big polluter” or “big emitters” to pay more.
His favourite example of a “big polluter” has been steel mills, one of the very industries he says we need to protect from Trump’s tariffs making companies uncompetitive. Meanwhile, Carney’s plan is to increase the industrial carbon tax on Canadian companies, which will hurt industry and cost Canadian jobs.
Carney is promising a balanced budget by the end of his government’s first term in office, the same as Trudeau promised in the 2015 election that brought him to power. Flash forward to today — with the Trudeau Liberals never having produced a balanced budget in their decade in power and having blown their own deficit target of $40.1 billion for the 2023-24 fiscal year by 54% — coming in at $61.9 billion.

According to the Liberal platform released Saturday, Carney is promising to balance the budget after three years, but not in the way deficits are traditionally calculated??? The Carney Liberals say their platform is “fully costed,” but that’s what the Trudeau Liberals said in 2015, before blowing their deficits sky high.
But come now Carney is a world renowned central banker , surely he will be different than the one he was advising .
 

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The Liberals want to change the way those deficits are calculated, by splicing out government operational spending from capital spending.
This is something that really should be done. But only government capital projects. Grants, tax breaks, tax credits, etc should be operational spending.
 
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NEPEAN, ONT. – Diana Fox Carney introduced her husband beneath blue skies at a large outdoor rally in his chosen Ottawa-area riding of Nepean on Sunday.

“Mark is unflappable because he puts in the prep work that is necessary,” she said.

Liberals had best hope so because, as the election campaign enters its final week, the assault from the Conservatives on the tens of billions of dollars of new spending in the party’s platform has already started.

Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre said on Sunday that he has long argued that Carney is the same as former prime minister Justin Trudeau. “(But) yesterday we learned that Mark Carney is far more costly than Justin Trudeau,” he said, pointing out the platform will add nearly a quarter-trillion dollars of extra debt.
Over the past four years, the Trudeau government racked up cumulative deficits of $235 billion (2024–25’s is an estimated $48.3 billion). Over the next four years, the Carney Liberals are projecting deficits of $225 billion.

On April Fools Day, while most of us were focused on the real challenges in our lives — rising food prices, high rent, increasing debt, broken health care — the Trudeau-appointed Governor General quietly approved $40.3 billion in new federal spending. This was done under what’s called a “special warrant.” Sounds official, but here’s what it really means: Billions of your dollars spent without debate, without a vote, without a single question in Parliament.

There was no due process. No committee oversight. No media scrutiny. Just signatures behind closed doors. The spending was authorized while Parliament remained suspended — prorogued by a government that didn’t want to face tough questions about its ongoing Green Slush Fund scandal.

So, where’s all that money going? Let’s start with the biggest red flag — $150 million to the CBC. While families cut back on basic groceries and small businesses are laying off staff, the federal government decides that the most “urgent” priority is a $150 million cash injection to a media outlet that already receives over a billion a year in public funding.

Just days ago, a CBC reporter — paid by you — stood in the White House press gallery and asked a question so absurd it barely deserves repeating: Whether Donald Trump still wants Canada to become the 51st state. That’s not journalism. That’s a political plant. It came just as Mark Carney’s polling numbers were slipping, and the anti-Trump narrative was losing steam. Suddenly, the CBC steps in to revive the fear campaign? Coincidence? Don’t kid yourself.
We need answers. Who is that reporter? Do they hold a Liberal Party membership? Have they volunteered for or donated to the party? Are they part of Carney’s backchannel communications strategy? If a private media outlet had done this for a Conservative leader, there would already be calls for a public inquiry.

The Treasury Board Secretariat — the same department approving all this spending — gets $1.1 billion of the total. Yes, the people cutting the cheques are writing one to themselves.

Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation? Another $778 million. This is the same agency that keeps promising affordable housing while prices climb and new builds stall. Where is this money really going?

VIA Rail was given $166 million, even though ridership remains a fraction of pre-pandemic levels and the service loses money year after year. Why now? What’s the emergency?

Parks Canada gets $143 million. Statistics Canada, another $145 million. Telefilm Canada? $75 million. Natural Sciences and Engineering Research Council? $246 million.

Even the Canadian Museum of History — which charges admission and has substantial private donations — was handed almost $10 million.

Then there’s the Canadian Race Relations Foundation, which received $1.5 million despite reporting $28 million in investments and over $1.2 million in passive income last year.

This isn’t emergency spending. It’s political spending. It’s a desperate government shovelling money to departments, agencies, and institutions that will protect its legacy and promote its talking points during an election campaign.

All of this was done while Parliament was suspended — on purpose — to avoid scrutiny.

The Liberals have learned that when you shut down the debate, you can do whatever you want. No questions. No opposition. Just unchecked power.

None of this makes your life better. Not one line item in that $40.3 billion package will reduce your tax burden, shorten your wait time in the ER, or make your street safer. The money vanishes into a bloated machine that serves itself.
 
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Convenient for the Liberals to not have to deliver another budget given the timing of the prorogue and election. Usually happens around this time of year.
 

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While making a health-care announcement in Charlottetown, P.E.I., Carney was confronted by a reporter after claiming that Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre would ban abortion in Canada.

“You have just accused Mr. Poilievre of using the notwithstanding clause to attack abortion rights. But Mr. Poilievre explicitly said he would not do so. So why this accusation?” the reporter asked.

Carney’s answer was shocking.

“It’s an accusation, but it’s not an accusation; it’s a fact,” Carney said.

Let’s be clear, this isn’t Mark Carney claiming that he’s worried Poilievre would use the notwithstanding clause to ban abortion. He’s not saying he has concerns about this, he’s saying it is a fact when reminded that Poilievre has said the opposite.

That’s lying about your opponent, but lying is something Mark Carney does with disturbing ease.

One of the tried & true Liberal election cycle lies…so waiting on Carney to say something about Conservatives and Automatic weapons or something else about throwing the door open to wholesale guns on the street, etc…
“We are not going to pass laws to restrict abortion rights. That has been our policy for 20 years, and it is not going to change. That is a guarantee I am giving you,” Poilievre said on the debate stage just feet from Carney in Montreal last week.

On Monday Carney lied about Poilievre’s position on abortion. He has lied about having nothing to do with moving his company headquarters from Toronto to New York City. He lied when he claimed to have helped Paul Martin balance the budget despite not working in the finance department until years after the budget was balanced. He didn’t lie about working to help Canada during the financial crisis but he did exaggerate his role in that, taking credit for the work of the late Jim Flaherty.

His first act as prime minister was to sit before the cameras and sign “an executive order” to lower the carbon tax. What he actually signed, Donald Trump style, was a piece of paper with no legal authority, meaning his first act after taking the job was to lie to the public.

After he was sworn in as PM, Carney said he wouldn’t speak to Trump until the American president showed Canada some respect. In reality, Carney had called Trump immediately after being sworn in but Trump wouldn’t speak to him until about two weeks later.

If Carney wants to say that he disagrees with Poilievre on using the notwithstanding clause to keep mass murderers in jail and that he worries where that will go, he should do so. To claim it is a fact that Poilievre is going to ban abortion in an effort to scare some voters away from him when he has emphatically stated the opposite is wrong, it’s a lie.
 
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Grinning Carney supporter gives two middle fingers in defining election moment
Author of the article:Denette Wilford
Published Apr 22, 2025 • Last updated 3 hours ago • 2 minute read

Mark Carney and Liberal supporter, believed to be Matt Janes from St. Thomas, Ont., gives two middle fingers to camera.
Mark Carney and Liberal supporter, believed to be Matt Janes from St. Thomas, Ont., gives two middle fingers to camera.
A man who gave a giant “f*** you” at a rally for Liberal Leader Mark Carney has become a symbol for critics who oppose the way Liberals treat Canadians’ concerns.


The photo of an older man giving a double middle finger while smiling at a rally in Brantford on Friday was first shared by lawyer and political satirist Caryma Sa’d.

“Elbows and/or fingers up,” Sa’d captioned the photo, which immediately went viral.

Canadian Jacob Bradshaw shared the photo and his thoughts on the image on TikTok and Instagram, which were then liked and reshared hundreds of thousands of times.

“This photo will define this Canadian election,” Bradshaw begins his video.



“This older gentleman, giving the double middle finger at a Mark Carney rally, with a big smile on his face, is a representation of an entire class of people that does not care that you won’t be able to afford a home, that does not care that you won’t be able to have and raise kids in this country, that does not care about the fact that their country and culture is being completely destroyed and decimated from underneath them.”

He added: “This is the face of people who laugh and smile at the fact that you’re complaining about the state of this country.”

National Post columnist Vivian Bercovici reshared Bradshaw’s video and wrote, “I’m a Boomer. And this young man is absolutely right.”

She continued: “Of all the shocks of this election campaign period … the selfishness of my demographic in [Canada] has just floored me.”


“The generation that swanned through life is getting ready to f— everyone. Someone should tell them about karma.”



Internet sleuths quickly uncovered that the fingers up Carney supporter is Matt Janes, of St. Thomas, once a vice president of finance at Railway City Brewing Co. The brewery confirmed on Facebook that Janes “hung up his brew boots back in 2022.” The Toronto Sun has been unable to reach Janes for comment.


During Carney’s campaign stop attended by more than 1,000 people, the de facto prime minister vowed to “build this country like it’s never been built,” Postmedia’s Vincent Ball reported.

“America, more specifically, Donald Trump wants to break us so America can own us,” Carney said. “They want our resources, they want our water, they want our country. But Canada is not America, it is not for sale.”

Devon Thompson noted on Instagram that the photo of Janes is “symbolic of the way that Liberals treat the real concerns of everyday Canadians.”

He added: “They gaslight in trying to convince you that everything’s fine, but it couldn’t be further from the truth. Why would anyone vote for a party that’s been showing them the middle finger for 10 years?”
 
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Kingston Liberal candidate caught trading insults with resident: 'You're pathetic'
Gerretsen was caught on camera in a brief but testy 12-second interaction, recorded on a doorbell camera

Author of the article:Elliot Ferguson
Published Apr 21, 2025 • 1 minute read

Kingston and the Islands Liberal candidate Mark Gerretsen canvasses voters in a previous election.
Kingston and the Islands Liberal candidate Mark Gerretsen canvasses voters in a previous election.
KINGSTON — Liberal candidate Mark Gerretsen said he regretted responding to a resident who insulted him earlier this month.


Gerretsen was caught on camera in a brief but testy 12-second interaction, recorded on a doorbell camera and posted to social media, which started innocently enough when Gerretsen knocked on a door and a male resident opened.

“Hi how are you? I’m Mark Gerretsen, I’m your member of Parliament,” the incumbent began while canvassing door to door.

“Yeah man, not a chance,” the resident replied.

“Okay, cool,” Gerretsen said as he began to walk down the stairs.

“You’re against gun owners, you’re pathetic,” the resident said.

“You’re pathetic,” Gerretsen appeared to reply as he left.

Since being posted, the video has been share 1,300 times and attracted 2,600 comments.

In an interview Monday, Gerretsen said he should not have engaged in the back and forth.


I regret doing that because I realized it’s not productive and it doesn’t help anything, but my emotions just got the better of me,” he said.

“I obviously shouldn’t have done that. I kind of realized it right away, right afterwards, it wasn’t the right thing to do.

“Ninety-nine-per-cent of the time I just smile and walk away, like I actually started to in that video,” he said. “I don’t know, something just got the better of me. My emotions just kind of didn’t react well to being called that so I just kind of hurled it back.”

Election candidates and campaign volunteers have changed their habits since doorbell cameras that record video and audio have become commonplace.

“This is amongst the worst, in any campaign that I’ve been in, in terms of hostility and people throwing insults and stuff like that, this is certainly the worst that I’ve ever (seen) in any campaign that I’ve ever been in,” he said.

“People are riled up on both sides.”

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The focus of the Liberal campaign is all too clear — it’s to put lipstick on Trudeau’s economic, environmental, debt, crime and tax pigs and parade them through the town square as if they were some new creatures.

This extension of Trudeau-era policies is being given a free ride by most commentators and the bulk of voters in Ontario, Quebec and Atlantic Canada.

All it took to get this free pass for the Liberals was to get rid of Justin Trudeau. And that’s the only meaningful thing they’ve changed.
The Liberals haven’t jettisoned his core advisers. They haven’t ditched the bulk of his cabinet. And most importantly, the Liberals haven’t gotten rid of Trudeau’s two core policies that led to Canada having the worst growth in the developed world during his decade in office.

The Liberals are still clinging to Trudeau’s insane belief that Canada can lead the world in transitioning from oil and gas to wind, solar and other alternative energy sources, while still attracting hundreds of billions of dollars in investment and generating hundreds of thousands of well-paying new jobs.

Indeed, if anything, Liberal Leader Mark Carney is even more committed to this fairytale than Trudeau was, as hard as that is to believe.

And the second thing the Carney Liberals are at least as steadfast on as the Trudeau Liberals were, is the idea that if Ottawa simply runs up massive new amounts of debt, that move will pay off manyfold in new economic activity.

As destructive as those policies have been over the lost Liberal decade, many voters and commentators seem disinterested that the Liberals under Carney intend to perpetuate them. All that matters from Ontario eastward (and to some extent in Vancouver) is that Trudeau is gone and Carney (swoon) has replaced him.
 
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St. Thomas brewery distances itself from viral 'Brantford Boomer'
The former exec was photographed making an obscene gesture outside a Liberal rally

Author of the article:Beatriz Baleeiro
Published Apr 23, 2025 • Last updated 14 hours ago • 2 minute read

A Liberal supporter, widely identified as Matt Janes from St. Thomas, gives two middle fingers to the camera. held by activist Caryma Sa’d during a federal election rally in Brantford. Sa'd posted the image to social media, which has been edited to obscure the gesture.
A Liberal supporter, widely identified as Matt Janes from St. Thomas, gives two middle fingers to the camera. held by activist Caryma Sa’d during a federal election rally in Brantford. Sa'd posted the image to social media, which has been edited to obscure the gesture.
A craft brewery in St. Thomas is distancing itself from a former executive after a photo of him making an obscene gesture outside a Liberal rally in Brantford went viral on social media.


Matt Janes, who is a volunteer for David Goodwin, a Liberal candidate in Elgin-St. Thomas-London South, was photographed as he held up both middle fingers in front of his smiling face.

The photo was taken while hundreds of Liberal supporters attending a rally for Liberal Leader Mark Carney at the Sassy Britches Brewing Co. in Brantford on April 19 waited in line. A group of protesters, some with F*** Carney flags, were heckling them.

The photo was posted on X and has since become an internet meme, with some users saying the “Brantford Boomer” reflects the party’s perceived indifference to younger Canadians facing high housing costs.

Internet sleuths found the man in the photo was Janes, 68, a retiree and former partner at Railway City Brewing Co. in St. Thomas. He also was involved in On Track St. Thomas, the group that created the St. Thomas Elevated Park, and served on the boards of the Elgin County Railroad Museum and the CASO Station.


Railway City Brewing
Railway City Brewing Co. posted this statement on Facebook on Tuesday, April 22, 2025. (Facebook)
Following hundreds of comments on the brewery’s social media page, chief executive Dave Clarke said in a statement posted Tuesday on Facebook that Janes has not been associated with the company since 2022, and that his “personal actions and opinions are his alone and are not representative of the views or values of our team.”

A post on the brewery’s Facebook page saying Janes was a partner is “what started (the comments),” Clarke said.

“Folks were assuming that Matt Janes was still running Railway City, and they were targeting the brewery as a result of that,” Clarke told The Free Press on Tuesday. “So I just wanted to let them know that the business was under new ownership and that we’re not a politically affiliated business. We’re in the business of selling beer, having good times and being a member of the community, and that’s it.”


In a statement to The Free Press on Tuesday, Janes said he was standing in line for the Brantford rally, attended by more than 1,000 people, with other Liberal supporters when they were met with a “vulgar F*** Carney crowd” who were “harassing and shouting obscenities” in their faces, including calling them “pedophiles” and using megaphones for about an hour.


“It was a stressful situation. Many of them with cameras, waiting for that moment when someone would respond. I regret reacting to it because they got what they wanted, which is something to use against David Goodwin’s campaign and the Carney campaign,” Janes said in an e-mail.

Laura Blondeau, a spokesperson for Goodwin’s campaign, said Janes is a campaign volunteer who has been delivering pamphlets.

The Liberal party has not cut ties with him, Blondeau said.

“They (Conservatives) are flooding social media with pictures of Janes, is what they’re doing. But that kind of gesture is not a reflection of the tone of our campaign. We’re running a positive campaign with a very specific message.“

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Petition demands Amazon stop selling 'offensive' election-related products
About 1,300 people have backed Change.org campaign targeting offensive flags, other items

Author of the article:Jane Stevenson
Published Apr 24, 2025 • Last updated 12 hours ago • 1 minute read

A trailer flying profane flags.
A trailer parked outside the warehouse where Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre held his first Windsor, Ont., campaign rally Friday, April 11, 2025, is shown flying flags emblazoned with "F--- Carney." Photo by Richard Pollock's campaign office
Just over 1,300 people have signed a petition on Change.org urging Amazon to cease the sale of offensive products related to Canada’s federal election.


The Change.org petition highlights items such as flags with the phrase “F— Carney,” which petition starter Helen Lemon believes fuel division and undermines the integrity of the electoral process.

“Amazon, a global leader in e-commerce, plays a significant role in this disturbing trend,” she writes.

“It offers a platform where such inappropriate products can be bought and sold effortlessly. I believe this practice goes against the principles of respect, decency, and fairness that we, as Canadians, uphold.”



Lemon emphasizes that the petition is not about limiting freedom of speech, but rather about “promoting decency, respect, and fairness in a democratic society.

“Companies like Amazon should be leading the charge against such discourse, not permitting and profiting from it,” added Lemon.

“Signs and other items with hateful and derogatory messaging, such as “F— Carney,” should not be sold or displayed anywhere in Canada.”


Lemon cites a 2020 report published by the Canadian Race Relations Foundation that says hate speech in Canada has increased by 600% in recent years.

“It also contradicts Amazon’s own community guidelines, which stress respect and dignity for all,” says Lemon. “We call on Amazon to take a stand against hate speech and derogatory messaging by banning the sale of these offensive election signs and products on its platform.”

A spokesperson for Amazon Canada said the company offers products with a “broad range of viewpoints, including products that may be disagreeable, and we have guidance for our customers and selling partners about the items allowed for sale in our store.

“In this instance we concluded that these products did not breach our policies,” Octavia Roufogalis said.
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The focus of the Liberal campaign is all too clear — it’s to put lipstick on Trudeau’s economic, environmental, debt, crime and tax pigs and parade them through the town square as if they were some new creatures.

This extension of Trudeau-era policies is being given a free ride by most commentators and the bulk of voters in Ontario, Quebec and Atlantic Canada.
Our whole modern world is significantly defined by the laser-bright line between fiscal and monetary functions of the state. Carney, as he would be the first to tell anyone he didn’t believe to be thick as a brick, has successfully managed currencies — and has no experience of the inherently more complex handling of public treasuries.

The one thing he seems to be sure of is that he has an uncontestable personal claim to the use of our future federal revenue; the sovereign right, that is, to take out a third mortgage on Canada to go with the second one his predecessor bought.

Vote how you like if you haven’t voted yet, but I hope you’ll acknowledge that this could go very, very poorly. Or, one supposes, it could just be more of the same: more urban decay and grotesque street crime, more failed industrial planning, more ad-hoc voter bribery and more insane housing and immigration policy.
 
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