Looks Like the Dreaded Spring Election is on!
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Im still undecided who im going to vote for.... A majority government sounds nice, but will i see what i want out of it..... Havent decided on the spoiled ballot yet....
I think its very simple, don't listen to them, don't watch them and vote for someone who is doing what you think should be done during an election campaine. If you start this trend, they'll soon get the message and things will get adjusted accordingly...!!!
This is how people make changes, but not by some politians who want to make rules on everything. Give people a chance, they'll surprise you !!!
Honestly a conservative majority per se does not frighten me. A Conservative majority comprising my local Conservative MP having influence over it does.
To steal a line from Ann Coulter.....There are a lot of bad Conservatives in Parliament, but no good Liberal....;-)
Thank you.
Try joining Canada Uncut to start as that is up and running already. You don't have to devote a lot of time, just try to show up at the protest events close to you and show support.
Also spend just a few minutes at your computer each week and email your local reps and the leaders with some pointed questions and keep sending them until they reply. Don't be afraid to ask them to justify their positions on the issues and explain how it makes your life better.
It doesn't take a lot of effort or time. Just be involved as much as you can.
Unforgiven;1398098[B said:]So what you're trying to tell me is that the Liberals and the NDP want to spend more money on prisons and fighter jets[/B]? Or do you mean that 2.3 billion for seniors and the unemployed is more than enough? 45 billion on killing people in foreign countries and locking people up here < 2.3 billion to put food on the table and a roof over the head of vulnerable and unfortunate Canadians.
We definitely need a lot more $ spend prisons (Spartan style bunkers, not country clubs) - perhaps you haven't heard that our prisons are over crowded and gangsters and drug lords are still running rampant. As for National Defense I think Canada's is a bit of a joke and could definitely use "beefing up" a bit- to the tune of $30 billion? I'm not sure.
You're on the right track but a little off the mark. We don't need to spend anymore on the prison system, just spend what is already there more wisely. No flat screens, no cable tv, no pool tables etc, just books and pencil & paper are all that is required. They are criminals being punished so yes, no country clubs. I would even go back to the prison factories, put them to work making something we need.
As for the military, we could buy twice as many F-18's or 1.5 times as many F-22's for the same price and who knows what we could get if we opened up the tender to Britain (the Typhoon is an awesome platform) and France (the Mirage is quite a good plane too) but we really don't even need them. We need to remember it is the Department of National Defense not Offense. If we just protected our borders and stopped marching round the planet following the USA we would have plenty of equipment and save a ton of cash.
I see you have never seen nor actually researched the Canadian prison system. Obviously you have also never give much thought to crime other than thinking crime sucks when you see something sensational on your television. Poor you.
Imagine if you were pulled over for not stopping at a stop sign completely and instead of giving you a ticket and some demerit points on your licence, the officers instead yanked you out of your car, told you to get on the ground and kicked you right in the face as you went down. What would that teach you about stop signs and road safety? Quite a bit? Make you a better driver and a safer community? Or would you run like hell next time you saw the cops behind you?
How about if you went to jail, and instead of separating you into groups, minimum, medium and maximum security, they just dumped everyone into Super Max? So the cost of holding you for, let's say cheque fraud under $5000, is over $100,000 per year. Oh by you say, let's just keep these people (they are faceless and unknown so it's fine just to refer to them as these people), in an open environment, all of them together, fight for meals and survival against the race gangs and out right crazy violent bastards. Well one of two things would happen wouldn't they, you would die or you would learn quickly how to kill the guy who is trying to kill you and get in with one of the gangs for protection.
Into this wonderful mess you imagine, put guards and correction officers to work. I wonder what the grievances coming from that union are going to look like? Think there will be a strike anytime soon? How the hell are you going to control the inmates? Threaten them? With what, a break from the insanity you've turned the general population into?
Now after you have spent a couple of years in this environment, your time is up and you get released. Do you suppose there would be any trouble readjusting from living in an insane asylum where someone can just walk up and stab you to death, or simply beat your head into the wall until you bleed out, and meeting your neighbour in the hall one evening?
Fool. You obviously have no clue what Corrections Canada is about, and no real understanding of what prison is or is for. What's more, you're simplistic opinion on society based on living in the sticks in small town western Canada is at best naive. Feel free to research the topic before you start flapping your lips on it.
As for Canadian defences, are Zee Germans attacking? :roll:
Do you honestly believe that the majority of career prison inmates can be rehabilitated? You have to change your prison philosophy to keep major criminal elements in till there to old to cause trouble. Then maybe consider release. Stop treating crime as a sickness and consider it a blight on this Earth, Cut it out. As for unionized security guards, forget it, just pay them a real salary and unions are made obsolete. Your trying to be to much like California with very few exceptions.
So what you're trying to tell me is that the Liberals and the NDP want to spend more money on prisons and fighter jets? Or do you mean that 2.3 billion for seniors and the unemployed is more than enough? 45 billion on killing people in foreign countries and locking people up here < 2.3 billion to put food on the table and a roof over the head of vulnerable and unfortunate Canadians.
You're priorities are fu cked up dude.
Who needs 35 billion for jets not to go to war?
According to who? Canadians have always been known to punch above their weight. Ask any military that knows and you will hear that Canadian troops are second to none.
Then why vote for it?
Haven't I read you saying that some prisoners should be put into general population so that justice can be done? This is all that is after all. A violent offender turned prison snitch getting facing justice just the way so many people here call for from time to time. Now it's all wrong and Corrections Canada is to blame? I mean, pick one and don't be ashamed of your choice man.
If someone had said that McGray and Phillips shouldn't have been put into the same cell, I suppose you would bitch about that too.
Neither Layton nor Ignateiff have formed a federal government so how can you say they are worse than Harper?
Sounds like fear to me.
Yet Harper and the Reformatives have attempted a coalition of the Bloc the NDP and themselves as an alternative to the Liberal minority in the past.
Did you vote for Harper in that election? I think you did didn't you Colpy. Here is sign.
Coalition governments have to work together and so it is that there is no fear of one member of any coalition getting the upper hand on the others. That's just the fear talking Colpy. It's strong in you but remain calm friend, I won't let any big bad coalitions come and take all your guns away. But you still have to register them.
Yes 35 Billion for fighters....either we are capable of assisting in our own defense or not.....and defense is one of the very basic responsibilities of government. The universal social safety net is not.
I have never denigrated the abilities of Canada's soldiers....but to truly "punch above their weight", while maintaining a minimal level of enlistment, they need the very best equipment.
I vote for it because the other parties, singly or in coalition, are so much worse.......
First of all, that coalition never happened. did it? Had it happened, I would never have voted Conservative again. Why do you think it never happened???? Explain that......
Elect the Libs NDP and BQ with enough seats, and it WILL happen.......if you do not extract a firm promise from the leadership of your parties "No coalition that includes in any way the BQ".....then we'll get back to arguing the platforms...
Oh, BTW, if you plan on voting other than CPC without such a pledge????.....well, here's your sign back.
As for McGray, I'd have executed the SOB after his third murder conviction....problem solved....and please refrain from telling me what I "might" have done, you don't know me that well.
I would never force a prisoner to stay in a cell with a proven homicidal maniac when BOTH men are complaining about sharing a cell with the other........
The problem is two fold............the BQ gains influence in a coalition, thus gets even more bribe goods for Quebec.....more importantly, the BQ becomes elevated as a force in the eyes of Quebecers.....they become seen even more as the best way to achieve the aims of Quebec.....that is a huge negative for the country as a whole. The BQ needs to be contained, ignored, powerless....we need to encourage Quebecers to turn away from the BQ....and the LAST thing we need do is INCREASE their influence in gov't.
Colpy - how about this solution to your issues with the Bloc.
Have a Canada wide referendum on the separation issue. When we all decide to let them go send them packing with their share of the deficit and without our currency or social programs.
I'm in if you are....
Have a Canada wide referendum on the separation issue. When we all decide to let them go send them packing with their share of the deficit and without our currency or social programs.
I'm in if you are....
Yes it is....just doesn't play to your biased view Colpy.
Should the opposition give the government a confidence vote in light of the contempt charge?
The clear answer is no.
Plus, which party is in the best financial position to run a national campaign?
The Cons.
Which party has enjoyed a slight surge in the polls?
The Cons.
Which party has had a dip to near NDP levels?
The Libs.
Don't frickin tell me the Cons don't want an election, it's clear and obvious and to see Harper stand up and blame the opposition for this and ramble on about a fragile economy, world issues and starving kittens as to why we can't afford one right now is treating the electorate like they are obtuse.
As a side note. My Mom went to school with Bill Shatner in Montreal. He carried her books a couple times.
If we're going by the polls it's:
1. Healthcare
2. the economy
3. The Environment
As for economic recovery how long term is that going to be if all the experts are correct on climate change?
And I think anybody who gives a damn about our democracy would care about how poorly it's been treated the last five years. If you really are a vet then I respect you for that, my grandfather was with the CEF in France in WW I and re-enlisted to train the next generation who went to fight for something more than just selfish short-term interests(which seems to be what this government is all about) in the 1940s.
I'm going to try to be polite instead of saying you are one real "f&&&&&d up critter". Who mentioned anything about a guy getting hauled out of his vehicle and getting beaten up over a perceived traffic violation? Sure that sh*t happens once in a blue moon. When it does you will have the appropriate facility to house the guilty cop. They are just as capable of breaking the law as most folks. Oh I think I have a concept of what prison is for, just a different one than you have. Prison is first about punishment for breaking the law and secondly about reflection so the offender can appreciate what he's done and thirdly about rehabilitation so he does have a chance to be a decent law abiding citizen. But HE has to prove he merits the opportunity. A long as we have gangsters and hoodlums on the street endangering innocent folks and selling drugs kids we need a few concrete style bunkers, complete with rock piles for the breaking. For the guy who does something stupid like simple theft I'm not in favour of prison, I am in favour of making restitution to the people he's harmed. But when you do something to destroy an innocent victims life, you don't deserve any lenience whatsoever, just a life time of misery to reflect.
Economy -
Ethics - Libs do not have the Cons beat - But the Con have sealed up different at arms reach such as Nuk Reg and others that the transparency issue is correct - Harper failed on that - to many examples to count
The sop he offered for low income seniors - The senior would qualify if their income was under 2 k - Really generous
Harper planned this budget as an election platform.
The saving he plans in the future will come from services - Social safety net and others - Otherwise he will not have the funds -
More prisons is not a real good plan - better justice system would be - The Fed and Prov Govts have great programs for directing youth away from crime etc - starved for funds.
As I read today and it made sense - The Libs and the NDP have to state clearly that they could form a coalition - BUT they would also have to be clear - The Bloc would not be included - Any pandering to Quebec & the Bloc would be a killer for each of them in the next election. And if they did, the cons would have a cakewalk to a massive majority.
So guess what - They would have to work with the conservatives in many cases. Reason - No one in ROC wants the Bloc having any power at all.
Just some of my opinions is all.
Bad comment- "If you really are a vet" - that implies a lack of belief - Very poor wording - Perhaps you could have stated - "As a vet.............."
If the legislation eliminating the long gun registry dies because of an unnecessary election I will go out and canvas for the conservative party.