You're forgetting that he was a juvenile. Juveniles are not held fully responsible for their actions. It's the whole justification for subjecting them to parental or state authority that adults are not subject to.
Khadr to get 10.5 million payment for treason.
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All in all I think the best explanation of how things should have went that I've read.
Thanks.
Yes, you are full of bliss I see.
Although I think part blame does fall on the family as they should have said more about him being taken to Afghanistan as a possible child soldier by his father and could be put into a position he should not be there. Had they said that and loudly, they'd have more proof that what happened to him was illegal.
You're welcome. Mama Britain, and the U.S. and Canada, have worked this out pretty successfully over the decades.
The mistake, for both the U.S. and Canada, was departing from the well-established law and treating Khadr as anything special. He was a juvenile miscreant. Granted, his action was quite severe, but he's not the first juvenile homicide either country has dealt with.
Why re-invent the wheel (badly) when you have a perfectly good, well-tested legal regime to handle such problems?
The Supreme Court ruled that his rights were being violated, and the gov't of the day refused to do anything.
So, Harper and company should pay the 10.5 million.
So, Harper and company should pay the 10.5 million.
Most people were on Harper's side at that time, on that particular matter so the point could be made that he was just following the wishes of the electorate.
Yet it started with PM Cretein so perhaps he and the Liberals should be responsible for the 10 mil .
We had absolutely no involvement in the terrible decisions that Omar Khadr and his family made. Those decisions where made by them alone and they bear the responsibility and repercussion for their poor choices.
Do you also agree that the families of everyone killed by the US military should be able to sue the US soldiers?
By Terek Fatah
Two news stories concerning terrorism should make Canadians realize that not only are we being governed under the doctrine of ‘sock and awe’, but that our values have turned upside down in a bizarro world, one of our own making.
First to Israel where on Monday, the government revealed it has filed a precedent-setting lawsuit against the family of a terrorist who drove a truck into a group of military personnel killing four Israeli soldiers.
Attacker Fadi al-Qunbar was shot dead shot and killed in January, and the matter would have rested there. But this time Israel has made the landmark decision to sue against any inheritance the terrorist left to his family. The lawsuit, which is expected to be the first of many similar cases, demands a total of more than $2.3 million.
Israel’s Minister of the Interior Arye Dery told the Haaretz newspaper, “From now on, anyone who plots, plans or considers carrying out a terrorist attack will know that his family will pay a heavy price for his deed.”
Not so in Canada.
On the same day as the terrorist Fadi al-Qumbar was being penalized by Israel, in Canada Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s government announced that convicted terrorist Omar Khadr who in October 2010 had pleaded guilty to “murder in violation of the law of war, attempted murder in violation of the law of war, spying, conspiracy and providing material support for terrorism,” was to receive a $10M ‘compensation’ for his troubles and an official apology from the Government of Canada.
Mr. Khadr, now 30, was 15 in July 2002 when he lived in an Afghan compound with a group of bomb-building Islamic jihadis planting roadside explosives. Afterwards, U.S. troops stormed the house and this is where a grenade thrown by Khadr killed Sergeant Christopher Speer, a medic who was helmetless and dressed in Afghan clothing.
It is true that at the time Omar Khadr committed his act of terror and murder, he was only 15 years old, but in the context of the war against civilization by Islamic terrorists, be they from the Taliban, ISIS, Al-Shabab or Boko Haram, the vast number of volunteers who have taken up arms and carried out war crimes are in their teens.
For bleeding-heart liberals whose guilt-ridden frame of mind cannot comprehend beyond the storybook picture of the child soldiers hired by African war lords, this may be a shock, but the ultimate hero of Muslims in the part of the world Omar Khadr was photographed making IEDs, is the 8th century 17-year old Arab invader of India called Muhammad Bin Qasim, and from Kabul to Karachi every child jihadi wishes to emulate the rape and plunder of this Arab jihadi. We are not dealing with the God’s Army in Uganda or the Liberian child soldiers of the 1990s.
The Muslim boys who go to fight jihad do so not under any pressure, but for the lure of entering Paradise and meeting the opposite gender for the first time. This may sound bizarre to the non-Muslim, but trust me, this is not fiction nor propaganda.
But there may still be some poetic justice in the end.
Tabitha Speer, the widow of Sargent Speer who, moved to finalize a default civil-suit judgment against Omar Khadr. The court granted the plaintiffs a total of US$134.1 million in damages
It would be sweet revenge if the $10M ‘compensation’ went straight from Omar Khadr’s pockets to Sgt. Speer’s widow.
Two news stories concerning terrorism should make Canadians realize that not only are we being governed under the doctrine of ‘sock and awe’, but that our values have turned upside down in a bizarro world, one of our own making.
First to Israel where on Monday, the government revealed it has filed a precedent-setting lawsuit against the family of a terrorist who drove a truck into a group of military personnel killing four Israeli soldiers.
Attacker Fadi al-Qunbar was shot dead shot and killed in January, and the matter would have rested there. But this time Israel has made the landmark decision to sue against any inheritance the terrorist left to his family. The lawsuit, which is expected to be the first of many similar cases, demands a total of more than $2.3 million.
Israel’s Minister of the Interior Arye Dery told the Haaretz newspaper, “From now on, anyone who plots, plans or considers carrying out a terrorist attack will know that his family will pay a heavy price for his deed.”
Not so in Canada.
On the same day as the terrorist Fadi al-Qumbar was being penalized by Israel, in Canada Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s government announced that convicted terrorist Omar Khadr who in October 2010 had pleaded guilty to “murder in violation of the law of war, attempted murder in violation of the law of war, spying, conspiracy and providing material support for terrorism,” was to receive a $10M ‘compensation’ for his troubles and an official apology from the Government of Canada.
Mr. Khadr, now 30, was 15 in July 2002 when he lived in an Afghan compound with a group of bomb-building Islamic jihadis planting roadside explosives. Afterwards, U.S. troops stormed the house and this is where a grenade thrown by Khadr killed Sergeant Christopher Speer, a medic who was helmetless and dressed in Afghan clothing.
It is true that at the time Omar Khadr committed his act of terror and murder, he was only 15 years old, but in the context of the war against civilization by Islamic terrorists, be they from the Taliban, ISIS, Al-Shabab or Boko Haram, the vast number of volunteers who have taken up arms and carried out war crimes are in their teens.
For bleeding-heart liberals whose guilt-ridden frame of mind cannot comprehend beyond the storybook picture of the child soldiers hired by African war lords, this may be a shock, but the ultimate hero of Muslims in the part of the world Omar Khadr was photographed making IEDs, is the 8th century 17-year old Arab invader of India called Muhammad Bin Qasim, and from Kabul to Karachi every child jihadi wishes to emulate the rape and plunder of this Arab jihadi. We are not dealing with the God’s Army in Uganda or the Liberian child soldiers of the 1990s.
The Muslim boys who go to fight jihad do so not under any pressure, but for the lure of entering Paradise and meeting the opposite gender for the first time. This may sound bizarre to the non-Muslim, but trust me, this is not fiction nor propaganda.
But there may still be some poetic justice in the end.
Tabitha Speer, the widow of Sargent Speer who, moved to finalize a default civil-suit judgment against Omar Khadr. The court granted the plaintiffs a total of US$134.1 million in damages
It would be sweet revenge if the $10M ‘compensation’ went straight from Omar Khadr’s pockets to Sgt. Speer’s widow.
Whether I agree with the decision or not is another matter, but did Trudeau really have a hand in this?
Looks like the courts forced the government's hand, and the government had to negotiate something.
Yeah, but it's more fun to blame Trudeau, because he apparently has dictatorial powers.
It's fun to read people ranting about treason and such, when they obviously don't really have a clue what they're on about.
Is it against the law in Afghanistan to kill an uninvited unsanctioned armed mercenary? That is the only question that has to be answered in this case. Is it against the law in Canada to kill an armed uninvited unsanctioned American in Canada? There is another question you will no doubt all struggle with. In both cases you could if you wish add dead citizens scattered about country "A" and the clear intent of the perpatrator "B" I know many of you believe in western moral superiority but try and be objective if you understand the concept. I know you think the reward in this case is excessive because clearly killing a hired proven murderer like the deceased is not a crime anywhere on this planet except in what passes for thinking in your your conditioned minds. Perhaps when the killing of Canadians in Canada by American mercenaries begins you still won't change your minds. God help Canada, God help the free world.
The other story behind this is the role of SCOC in setting the judicial case for Khadr. It's pathetic that our flaccid, impotent, weakling excuse of a Prime Minister has not the wherewithal to stand up to an increasingly arrogant and dictatorial Supreme Court. Noted now for it 9 to 0 decisions imposing an entire new post moral ethos on Canada (like euthenasia ) and usurping all authority from the Parliament by underming Canada's moral foundation .
It is imposing a condition where patriotism and ethical uprightness are subordinate to some trivial concept of 'freedom'.. in Khadr's case to join a barbaric alien force in a state of combat with your country's soldiers, murder allied combatants, and reap huge rewards, for being part of one of the most grotesque and atrocious outfits in history. Khadr deserves to be in prison for Life for treason.
Khadr's going to get $10.5M while our soldiers who risked (and lost) life and limb for their country struggle to get essential benefits. It is unconscionable.. and i would argue.. unsustainable.
It is time to remove the Charter of Rights and Freedoms from judicial oversight. They have proved themselves intellectual mediocrities and utterly incompetent moral arbiters. We need to reestablish the sovereignty of Parliament, answerable to the people of Canada rather than petty ideologues and politcal hacks. And it's time to give that little dipsh*t Justin his walking papers.
It is imposing a condition where patriotism and ethical uprightness are subordinate to some trivial concept of 'freedom'.. in Khadr's case to join a barbaric alien force in a state of combat with your country's soldiers, murder allied combatants, and reap huge rewards, for being part of one of the most grotesque and atrocious outfits in history. Khadr deserves to be in prison for Life for treason.
Khadr's going to get $10.5M while our soldiers who risked (and lost) life and limb for their country struggle to get essential benefits. It is unconscionable.. and i would argue.. unsustainable.
It is time to remove the Charter of Rights and Freedoms from judicial oversight. They have proved themselves intellectual mediocrities and utterly incompetent moral arbiters. We need to reestablish the sovereignty of Parliament, answerable to the people of Canada rather than petty ideologues and politcal hacks. And it's time to give that little dipsh*t Justin his walking papers.
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It is clear to me that the right wingnuts are calling for his head because he is not "white" and that they are without a soul or a heart.
To commit treason, he would have had to have been fighting Canadian soldiers. He was 15 years old and shot up and he saw a soldier of the invading army coming toward him. If you were shot up and you saw a soldier approaching you, I'm sure you would have all done the same thing, but your right wingnut dogma blinds you to that fact. You are all guilty of treason against the human race. Bunch of mindless meat heads...
To commit treason, he would have had to have been fighting Canadian soldiers. He was 15 years old and shot up and he saw a soldier of the invading army coming toward him. If you were shot up and you saw a soldier approaching you, I'm sure you would have all done the same thing, but your right wingnut dogma blinds you to that fact. You are all guilty of treason against the human race. Bunch of mindless meat heads...
A Charter of Rights and Freedoms under judicial prerogative is an anathema to a Parliamentary system, which does not have the checks and balances to control it. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. It was Justin's dad's biggest folly. Courts exist solely to enforce and adjudicate the law.. not interpret and impose it. That is the system we had up until 1982.
There were warnings that a Charter of this sort would clog the courts with futile human rights cases and act as a divisive instrument to Canadian unity, leading to a balkanization of the country based on cults of competing ' victim' groups. All that has been realized. It has been an disaster.. and its getting worse.
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US Expands Military Footprint in Syria to EIGHT Bases, ‘Modifies’ Kobani Air Base
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With very little fanfare from the western media, the US is quietly creating a hostile military footprint inside Syria.
By establishing a chain of airbases, military outposts and missile bases inside a country, the US is illegally, stealth-occupying a sovereign nation. The number of US military installations in Syria has increased to eight bases according to recent reports, and possibly nine according to one other military analyst.
We should also not forget the malevolent presence of Israel in the illegally annexed southern Syrian territory of the Golan Heights. This could just as easily be included in the list of US military outposts inside Syria.
Your thoughts about the most grotesque and atrocious outfits in history with victims numbering in excess of three hundred millions at this time would be of interest to say the least. DB. As would the laughable idea to reestablish the sovereignty of Parliament when in fact it had none from the beginning. The Crown has ruled here uncontested for the entirety of this nations/propertys brief history.
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