Jewish MP: Israel acting like Nazis in Gaza
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There is a long list you know. There are millions of Jews who detest Israel and would not lift a finger to defend it, indeed they actively condemn it. Brain damage from welding fumes sooner or later show up in veteran eutectic practitioners. I afraid the symptoms you display through your hahahahaha writing indicate that this is the case with you. Everyone here senses that when they read your hateful zionized drivel.
No doubt.
Misinformation and propaganda isn't just written in English.
Nah, it was all the dope you smoked.
That's probably why you resort to idiocy, before actually defending your nonsence with some facts.
That's funny. Can you make up another fairy tale with a dragon in it instead?
The ZioBear called me a liar when I said I had answered Colpys dumb question, there is the proof above that he is the liar.
I'm not a liar, I was wrong.
And unlike you, I can admit when I am. I missed your post, my humblest apologies.
BTW: It was posed to EAO, which is of course who I was directing my post at.
I don't accept your apology it is clearly insincere. I can't understand why you couldn't join the IDF. You are clearly dumb and dishonest enough.
That's just the copious amount of THC coursing through your system.
Because even if I wasn't 42 and out of shape, I still have pins, plates and plastic pieces holding me together.
No, that would be why you aren't fit for military service.
I understand your confusion, I'm well aware of the effects of substance abuse.
Hey' when things get serious we'll both be fit for service. I have less metal holding me up than you do but I am close to six ohohno which won't make any difference to the press gang but it will shorten my service life, considerably. I never abuse a substance until it starts in on me. THC and CBD are my friends and they are better workers than synthetic junk cobbled into or onto my delicate bodie. After much cannabis induced deliberation I have decided to graciously accept your conditional apology, if not for the drug intervention it would not have been possible to arrive at an amicable end of hostilities with encouragement for continued dialog moving forward toward a permanent lasting resolution . Have a green day young man.
Either Israeli authorities tortured yet another Palestinian to death or a healthy 30 year old Palestinian in Israeli custody died of a heart attack. Which version is more likely? Well , not even Israeli news sources are buying the official Israeli version of events.
Israeli News Source Haaretz:
Autopsy shows Palestinian prisoner died from torture, says PA chief pathologist
Medical examination lists no cause of death for Arafat Jaradat, who died on Saturday in Megiddo Prison; Israeli officials: No signs of torture.
The Palestinian prisoner who died in Megiddo Prison on Saturday did not expire from a heart attack, as Israeli officials previously claimed, but from torture, says a Palestinian doctor who was present for the autopsy performed by an Israeli doctor Sunday. Saber Aloul, chief pathologist of the Palestinian Authority, who attended the autopsy in Israel, said marks on Arafat Jaradat's body showed he had been tortured during his interrogation. The autopsy, performed at the National Institute of Forensic Medicine, listed no cause of death. The Shin Bet security service denied Aloul was tortured. A Health Ministry spokesperson said no exterior signs of injuries were discovered during the medical examination, apart from resuscitation bruises and a small abrasion on the right side of Jaradat's chest. The examination was conducted by the institute's chief pathologist, Yehuda Hiss, in the presence of Aloul and the head of the Health Ministry's medical administration, Prof. Arnon Afek. Prior to the autopsy, Israeli officials had said Jaradat likely died of cardiac arrest, while Palestinians believed he died as a result of torture.
Autopsy shows Palestinian prisoner Arafat Jadarat died from torture, says PA chief pathologist - Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper
Most of the Arab world gets their news from Al Jazeera:
Six days after Arafat Jaradat was arrested by the Israeli army and the Shin Bet, he was dead. Between the date of his arrest - February 18 - and the day of his death - February 23 - his lawyer Kamil Sabbagh met with Arafat only once: in front of a military judge at the Shin Bet's Kishon interrogation facility. Sabbagh reported that when he saw Jaradat, the man was terrified. Arafat told his lawyer that he was in acute pain from being beaten and forced to sit in stress positions with his hands bound behind his back. When it announced his death, Israeli Prison Service claimed Arafat - who leaves a pregnant widow and two children - died from cardiac arrest. However, the subsequent autopsy found no blood clot in his heart. In fact, the autopsy concluded that Arafat, who turned 30 this year, was in fine cardiovascular health. What the final autopsy did find, however, was that Jaradat had been pummelled by repeated blows to his chest and body and had sustained a total of six broken bones in his spine, arms and legs; his lips lacerated; his face badly bruised. The ordeal that Arafat suffered before he died at the hands of Israel's Shin Bet is common to many Palestinians that pass through Israel's prisons. According to the prisoners' rights organisation Addameer, since 1967, a total of 72 Palestinians have been killed as a result of torture and 53 due to medical neglect. Less than a month before Jaradat was killed, Ashraf Abu Dhra died while in Israeli custody in a case that Addameer argues was a direct result of medical neglect. The legal impunity of the Shin Bet, commonly referred to as the GSS, and its torture techniques has been well established. Between 2001 and 2011, 700 Palestinians lodged complaints with the State Attorney's Office but not a single one has been criminally investigated. The rest here:
How Israel legitimises torturing Palestinians to death - Opinion - Al Jazeera English
Toronto Start version:
...The mysterious death of a 30-year-old Palestinian gas station attendant in Israeli custody stoked new West Bank clashes Sunday. A senior Palestinian official alleged that Arafat Jaradat was tortured by Israel’s Shin Bet security service, citing an autopsy he said revealed bruising and two broken ribs. Israel’s health ministry said the autopsy did not conclusively determine the cause of death, but that the bruising and broken ribs were likely the result of attempts to revive the detainee. Jaradat’s death came at a time of rising West Bank tensions, including several days of Palestinian marches in support of four hunger-striking prisoners in Israeli lockups. Israel holds nearly 4,600 Palestinians, including dozens who have never been formally charged....
Israel accused of torture in death of Palestinian detainee | Toronto Star
The Toronto Star had to know about the other injuries ("six broken bones in his spine, arms and legs; his lips lacerated; his face badly bruised") which support a conclusion that this Palestinian was tortured to death and chose not to report them. Based on this incident and many others, I've come to the conclusion that our news is slanted towards obscuring crimes committed by Israelis and Palestinian suffering.
BTW, What was this Palestinian's alleged crime? Israeli authorities detained Arafat Jaradat for throwing rocks. They never claimed he was a security threat or a "terrorist". Likely Israeli authorities believed Jaradat had information they wanted and they beat him to death... indicating he either knew nothing or he was able to keep his mouth shut while he was being tortured to death. Since everyone breaks sooner or later, I suspect he didn't know the answers to their questions.
How likely is it that Israeli security authorities tortured this man to death?
According to the Israeli human rights organization B'tselem, many Palestinians have died under similar circumstances while in Israeli custody:
In October 2010, B'Tselem and HaMoked: Center for the Defence of the Individual published a comprehensive report examining the ISA’s treatment of detainees held in a detention facility in Petah-Tikva. The report was based on the testimonies of 121 Palestinians suspected of security offenses, who were detained in the first and last quarters of 2009.... ...The findings of both reports indicate that ISA interrogations routinely include mental and physical ill-treatment. The main aspects of the interrogation regime are detachment of the detainee from the outside world, use of incarceration conditions as a means of psychological pressure and to physically weaken the detainee, binding the detainee in a painful position, degradation, and threats.... ... ... violent methods amounting to torture were used. These methods included beating, tight cuffing of hands, sudden pulling of the body, bending of the back, and more...
Torture and ill-treatment in interrogations | B'Tselem
I recognize the legitimacy of State of Israel. But at the same time, I oppose war crimes and crimes against humanity. I find it offensive that any nation could deny millions of people their fundamental human rights for over 60 years without being held to account. Palestinians must either have citizenship in a UN recognized Palestinian State or since the US and Israel continue to block UN recognition, then they should be recognized as full Israeli citizens.
Everyone has a right to dignity, freedom and justice. But what's been going on for 60+ years in Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories is a crime against humanity.
My point here is not to accuse all Israeli or Jews of torture or murder. On the contrary, I expect that many/most Israelis and Jews oppose torturing people to death. My point here is to point out that Israelis can commit murder, war crimes and crimes against humanity with impunity, while the Harper government not only remains silent, but worse, unshakably support Israelis who authorize torture, murder, war crimes and crimes against humanity:
...Prime Minister Stephen Harper promised Canada's "unshakable" support for Israel. At the time, this struck me as odd. It would be understandable for a prime minister to offer Canada's "unshakable" support for principles democracy, the rule of law, human rights, etc. But for a country? A country is led by a government, and a government is always fallible. Why would Canada promise its unqualified support for any country? Such unqualified support is particularly problematic when the country is locked in a bitter struggle with millions of people whose land it has held under military occupation for more than forty years.
Canada: Israel's "Unshakable" Supporter - Pacific Free Press | Pacific Free Press
The problem isn't that the Harper government is unaware Israeli criminals torture Palestinians. Its that they are aware and officially choose to ignore Israeli crimes rather than condemn them:
...After it was exposed that Canada had Israel and the United States listed as offenders in a training manual for diplomats about torture, the two countries were promptly dropped on 19 January with Bernier’s expression of regret and embarrassment. However, for tortured Palestinians and Israeli and Palestinian human rights groups, Bernier’s expressions of regret and embarrassment should target Canada’s lack of action against Israeli torture. Sarit Michaeli, a spokesperson for the Israeli human rights group B’Tselem says the international community has an obligation to act against torture. “We are very concerned about the Canadian government removing Israel from this list,” she says.
See no evil: Canadian government denies torture in Israel | The Electronic Intifada
Clearly it doesn't matter to the Harper government what Israeli criminals do. No matter how heinous their crimes, how many Palestinians they torture to death or how severely they treat millions of innocent Palestinian civilians, Israeli criminals can count on Canada's unshakable support.
As a proud Canadian who feels that Canada's foreign relations with other countries would depend on how well they respect international laws and treaties, I find the Harper government's unshakable support of torture, murder, war crimes and crimes against humanity... offensive.
Israeli News Source Haaretz:
Autopsy shows Palestinian prisoner died from torture, says PA chief pathologist
Medical examination lists no cause of death for Arafat Jaradat, who died on Saturday in Megiddo Prison; Israeli officials: No signs of torture.
The Palestinian prisoner who died in Megiddo Prison on Saturday did not expire from a heart attack, as Israeli officials previously claimed, but from torture, says a Palestinian doctor who was present for the autopsy performed by an Israeli doctor Sunday. Saber Aloul, chief pathologist of the Palestinian Authority, who attended the autopsy in Israel, said marks on Arafat Jaradat's body showed he had been tortured during his interrogation. The autopsy, performed at the National Institute of Forensic Medicine, listed no cause of death. The Shin Bet security service denied Aloul was tortured. A Health Ministry spokesperson said no exterior signs of injuries were discovered during the medical examination, apart from resuscitation bruises and a small abrasion on the right side of Jaradat's chest. The examination was conducted by the institute's chief pathologist, Yehuda Hiss, in the presence of Aloul and the head of the Health Ministry's medical administration, Prof. Arnon Afek. Prior to the autopsy, Israeli officials had said Jaradat likely died of cardiac arrest, while Palestinians believed he died as a result of torture.
Autopsy shows Palestinian prisoner Arafat Jadarat died from torture, says PA chief pathologist - Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper
Most of the Arab world gets their news from Al Jazeera:
Six days after Arafat Jaradat was arrested by the Israeli army and the Shin Bet, he was dead. Between the date of his arrest - February 18 - and the day of his death - February 23 - his lawyer Kamil Sabbagh met with Arafat only once: in front of a military judge at the Shin Bet's Kishon interrogation facility. Sabbagh reported that when he saw Jaradat, the man was terrified. Arafat told his lawyer that he was in acute pain from being beaten and forced to sit in stress positions with his hands bound behind his back. When it announced his death, Israeli Prison Service claimed Arafat - who leaves a pregnant widow and two children - died from cardiac arrest. However, the subsequent autopsy found no blood clot in his heart. In fact, the autopsy concluded that Arafat, who turned 30 this year, was in fine cardiovascular health. What the final autopsy did find, however, was that Jaradat had been pummelled by repeated blows to his chest and body and had sustained a total of six broken bones in his spine, arms and legs; his lips lacerated; his face badly bruised. The ordeal that Arafat suffered before he died at the hands of Israel's Shin Bet is common to many Palestinians that pass through Israel's prisons. According to the prisoners' rights organisation Addameer, since 1967, a total of 72 Palestinians have been killed as a result of torture and 53 due to medical neglect. Less than a month before Jaradat was killed, Ashraf Abu Dhra died while in Israeli custody in a case that Addameer argues was a direct result of medical neglect. The legal impunity of the Shin Bet, commonly referred to as the GSS, and its torture techniques has been well established. Between 2001 and 2011, 700 Palestinians lodged complaints with the State Attorney's Office but not a single one has been criminally investigated. The rest here:
How Israel legitimises torturing Palestinians to death - Opinion - Al Jazeera English
Toronto Start version:
...The mysterious death of a 30-year-old Palestinian gas station attendant in Israeli custody stoked new West Bank clashes Sunday. A senior Palestinian official alleged that Arafat Jaradat was tortured by Israel’s Shin Bet security service, citing an autopsy he said revealed bruising and two broken ribs. Israel’s health ministry said the autopsy did not conclusively determine the cause of death, but that the bruising and broken ribs were likely the result of attempts to revive the detainee. Jaradat’s death came at a time of rising West Bank tensions, including several days of Palestinian marches in support of four hunger-striking prisoners in Israeli lockups. Israel holds nearly 4,600 Palestinians, including dozens who have never been formally charged....
Israel accused of torture in death of Palestinian detainee | Toronto Star
The Toronto Star had to know about the other injuries ("six broken bones in his spine, arms and legs; his lips lacerated; his face badly bruised") which support a conclusion that this Palestinian was tortured to death and chose not to report them. Based on this incident and many others, I've come to the conclusion that our news is slanted towards obscuring crimes committed by Israelis and Palestinian suffering.
BTW, What was this Palestinian's alleged crime? Israeli authorities detained Arafat Jaradat for throwing rocks. They never claimed he was a security threat or a "terrorist". Likely Israeli authorities believed Jaradat had information they wanted and they beat him to death... indicating he either knew nothing or he was able to keep his mouth shut while he was being tortured to death. Since everyone breaks sooner or later, I suspect he didn't know the answers to their questions.
How likely is it that Israeli security authorities tortured this man to death?
According to the Israeli human rights organization B'tselem, many Palestinians have died under similar circumstances while in Israeli custody:
In October 2010, B'Tselem and HaMoked: Center for the Defence of the Individual published a comprehensive report examining the ISA’s treatment of detainees held in a detention facility in Petah-Tikva. The report was based on the testimonies of 121 Palestinians suspected of security offenses, who were detained in the first and last quarters of 2009.... ...The findings of both reports indicate that ISA interrogations routinely include mental and physical ill-treatment. The main aspects of the interrogation regime are detachment of the detainee from the outside world, use of incarceration conditions as a means of psychological pressure and to physically weaken the detainee, binding the detainee in a painful position, degradation, and threats.... ... ... violent methods amounting to torture were used. These methods included beating, tight cuffing of hands, sudden pulling of the body, bending of the back, and more...
Torture and ill-treatment in interrogations | B'Tselem
I recognize the legitimacy of State of Israel. But at the same time, I oppose war crimes and crimes against humanity. I find it offensive that any nation could deny millions of people their fundamental human rights for over 60 years without being held to account. Palestinians must either have citizenship in a UN recognized Palestinian State or since the US and Israel continue to block UN recognition, then they should be recognized as full Israeli citizens.
Everyone has a right to dignity, freedom and justice. But what's been going on for 60+ years in Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories is a crime against humanity.
My point here is not to accuse all Israeli or Jews of torture or murder. On the contrary, I expect that many/most Israelis and Jews oppose torturing people to death. My point here is to point out that Israelis can commit murder, war crimes and crimes against humanity with impunity, while the Harper government not only remains silent, but worse, unshakably support Israelis who authorize torture, murder, war crimes and crimes against humanity:
...Prime Minister Stephen Harper promised Canada's "unshakable" support for Israel. At the time, this struck me as odd. It would be understandable for a prime minister to offer Canada's "unshakable" support for principles democracy, the rule of law, human rights, etc. But for a country? A country is led by a government, and a government is always fallible. Why would Canada promise its unqualified support for any country? Such unqualified support is particularly problematic when the country is locked in a bitter struggle with millions of people whose land it has held under military occupation for more than forty years.
Canada: Israel's "Unshakable" Supporter - Pacific Free Press | Pacific Free Press
The problem isn't that the Harper government is unaware Israeli criminals torture Palestinians. Its that they are aware and officially choose to ignore Israeli crimes rather than condemn them:
...After it was exposed that Canada had Israel and the United States listed as offenders in a training manual for diplomats about torture, the two countries were promptly dropped on 19 January with Bernier’s expression of regret and embarrassment. However, for tortured Palestinians and Israeli and Palestinian human rights groups, Bernier’s expressions of regret and embarrassment should target Canada’s lack of action against Israeli torture. Sarit Michaeli, a spokesperson for the Israeli human rights group B’Tselem says the international community has an obligation to act against torture. “We are very concerned about the Canadian government removing Israel from this list,” she says.
See no evil: Canadian government denies torture in Israel | The Electronic Intifada
Clearly it doesn't matter to the Harper government what Israeli criminals do. No matter how heinous their crimes, how many Palestinians they torture to death or how severely they treat millions of innocent Palestinian civilians, Israeli criminals can count on Canada's unshakable support.
As a proud Canadian who feels that Canada's foreign relations with other countries would depend on how well they respect international laws and treaties, I find the Harper government's unshakable support of torture, murder, war crimes and crimes against humanity... offensive.
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As I already stated:
eao: My point here is not to accuse all Israeli or Jews of torture or murder. On the contrary, I expect that many/most Israelis and Jews oppose torturing people to death. My point here is to point out that Israelis can commit murder, war crimes and crimes against humanity with impunity, while the Harper government not only remains silent, but worse, unshakably support Israelis who authorize torture, murder, war crimes and crimes against humanity.
I understand that many Americans support their government torturing and assassinating people including American citizens. How do you feel about this?
Do you also support Israeli government's policy which allows their security authorities to abduct Palestinians and beat them until death?
Notice how the Canadian and American governments don't criticize torture anymore? That's a change since 9/11. Do you agree?
Bull-capital S Shyte....When have you done anything other than demonize Israel and by association Israelis (Jews)??
Except for the occasional disclaimer...it is the crux of most of your posts in the forum,.....
That and appologizing for palestine and muslims...
And you ain't fooling anyone except maybe other apologists or dhimwits like yourself
It is dumba.s.s questions like that which are right up there with "when did you stop beating your wife" - same principle - same equivalence - same way that there is no right answer.
Demonization of Israel is an act of the highest order of humanity. Justification of Israels crimes is an act of the lowest order of humanity.
Palestine needs to apologize to no one and neither do Muslims. Israelis on the other hand are incapable of apology or remorse.
Headline: Israeli authorities detain 30 year old Palestinian man for allegedly throwing rocks. While in Israeli custody, he complains to his lawyer that he was being tortured. A few days later, he's dead. His face looks like a punching bag, and he has multiple broken bones indicating he was savagely beaten to death. Israeli doctors claim he died of a heart attack, even though no evidence supports that conclusion. Our news incompletely reports on the incident, creating doubt and our politicians are silent.
Note: I also backed my story up with references to a Jewish news source and human rights group.
Your response No comments regarding Israeli authorities torturing Palestinians to death (implying you approve), but you have your panties in a knot because I posted evidence that Israeli authorities probably tortured this poor man to death leaving a widow with children and that this incident is just the latest case in a long list of Israeli torture and abuse allegations. You don't even challenge the story, meaning you probably also believe this man was tortured to death.
For the record. I am constantly smeared with antisemitic allegation by DS and others who support what some Israelis do to Plaestinians, even though I have never posted anything which claims anything negative about Israelis or Jews in general. (as a group). They would rather you not know what our news and politicians aren't telling us about this conflict and the laziest way to do this is to smear anyone who posts this information with the antisemitic label.
From my viewpoint, a criminal's nationality and/or religion are beside the point.
I'll give you an example. If our news and government leaders sided with the Syrian government, and didn't report their atrocities, you can be sure I'd post more on that conflict. But in that conflict we are getting the details we don't get in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. Also, I agree (more or less) with what I know about the Canadian government's position regarding Syria.
My critics who smear me with the antisemtic label, can't reference reliable sources to back up their opinions, because no reliable sources support their viewpoint. Meanwhile I have supported my posts with references to reliable sources that you can verify which indicate that individual Israelis have gotten away with torture, murder, war crimes and crimes against humanity. My posts regarding this conflict always reference specific cases involving specific criminal activity which are either not reported or condemned by our news and political leaders.... or inaccurately/incompletely reported by our news and ignored by our political leaders.
Since Canadians aren't getting accurate or complete information regarding this conflict, then anyone who wants to know more about this conflict must seek information from other sources. People who aren't interested in knowing more about this conflict can ignore this thread.
BTW, Please feel free to read my posts on other threads in this forum:
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/n...says-jesus-didnt-post1713828.html#post1713828
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/hot-topics/114435-us-stealth-f-35-jet.html#post1713824
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/science-environment/114436-do-you-have-neanderthal-your.html
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/hot-topics/114418-moving-edmonton-ireland.html#post1713786
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/news/114389-senior-drivers.html#post1713077
Feel free to verify my references and decide for yourself.
Was this 30 year old man beaten to death or did he die of a heart attack?
While a heart attack in your thirties is possible, its also highly unlikely. Given the other injuries, no reported heart defects, its also highly doubtful.
also read the Toronto Star report and compare it to the al Jazeera version. Why did the TS only report the injuries which supported the Israeli version of events and omit the information supporting the tortured to death conclusion????
six broken bones in his spine, arms and legs; his lips lacerated; his face badly bruised.
Are these injuries more consistent with a heart attack or getting a severe beating?
Do you honestly believe that our news is fair or objective regarding this conflict?
I never claimed that Goober. AJ was one of my sources.
Did you also give him multiple bruises on the face, a fat lip, a broken arm, leg and spinal injuries? Also, was your co-worker 30 years old?
Saber Aloul, chief pathologist of the Palestinian Authority
I broke ribs in a coworkers chest after giving him CPR for more than 20mins.
Did you also give him multiple bruises on the face, a fat lip, a broken arm, leg and spinal injuries? Also, was your co-worker 30 years old?
I can use the search engine too.......
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