For Israel, it is called "survival".
As well, Israel is not a tyranny. It is a democracy.
Israel's opponents, on the other hand.......
And Barak offered compromise and a Palestinian State. Arafat spit in his face.
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For Israel, it is called "survival".
As well, Israel is not a tyranny. It is a democracy.
Israel's opponents, on the other hand.......
And Barak offered compromise and a Palestinian State. Arafat spit in his face.
It is selective democracy. Non-Jew = sorry about your luck.
What business did Barak have offering a lesser deal than that which was offered in the original deal? Personally, I'd still like to have seen Israel on Cyprus.
Arabs in Israel are second-class citizens. Arabs in Israel get harassed at check points. Arabs in Israel get their homes snatched if unattended (abandoned) Arabs in Israel are accused for all that is wrong in Israel. Arabs in Israel get shot. Arabs in Israel are called Palestinians. They vote? And well they should!
here's why:
"Oil surges to new heights after Israeli warning on Iran"
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hkLCJIKdipOHqJ8bwdjN1JUZSFtA
Once Israel announced its imperialistic war threat, the cost of oil went up. This got much attention here in Gopherland but, evidently, it did not do so very much in Canada.
Oil's been the carrot for a lot of years. Now it's leverage used to pry attention from one side to another in a very childish game.
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I stand corrected. I guess things have picked up recently.
I condemn random attacks on innocent civilians. The people who launch these rockets against civilian targets are war criminals, regardless of their motivation. I have no trouble saying that and it doesn't contradict my posts.
More Israel...
They are going to do what they want to do. They do not care about world opinion or warnings from the U.S. or any other country. By themselves they could decimate any threat to themselves, because of their superior intelligence gathering, their willingness to do what they see as necessary and not give a second thought to any consequences.
I am surprized that this subject just will not go away.
How many times do you beat a dead horse?
Let it go.
They are going to do what they want to do. They do not care about world opinion or warnings from the U.S. or any other country. By themselves they could decimate any threat to themselves, because of their superior intelligence gathering, their willingness to do what they see as necessary and not give a second thought to any consequences.
I am surprized that this subject just will not go away.
How many times do you beat a dead horse?
Let it go.
Interesting--Israel is going to attack Iran. Immediately I posted that Israel needed its American biped animals to do the job. And now the retraction . Israel the mighty, attacks victims that are unable to defend themselves. Iran unlike Syria has the ability to to defend itself so Jews around the world and wannabees like Colpy urge the Goyim to waste their blood for murderous Israel. Back to the whining wall---
A wider war is coming. Its only a matter of time before the US and Israel attack Iran. It will happen before Bush leaves office. They will claim its about Iran's (non-existant)nuclear weapon program. In fact what it will really be about is Iran's conventional weapon program. Iran is a major producer of man portable munitions which end up in the hands of Hezbollah and Hamas. The quality of RPGs, MANPADS, IEDs has now reached the point where expensive weapon systems like armoured vehicles (tanks) and low flying attack aircraft (helicopters/planes) can be defeated by well trained and armed infantry units.
The adversaries of the US and Israel are trying to collapse unpopular, brutal pro-west military dictatorships in Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Pakistan. These countries will switch sides and begin to support Hamas in Gaza and Hezbollah in Lebanon just like Iran and Syria.
The oppression and injustice suffered by Palestinians is being used to rally public opinion against Israel and the US and their brutal dictatorships in Egypt, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. Sooner or later, Israel and the US will start to loose the war and western nations like Canada will be called upon to help.
To make an informed decision, Canadians must be aware of what we are being asked to support. Right now most Canadians support Israel without realizing that means we support the continued injustice and oppression suffered by Palestinians. This string discusses facts which should be factored into any decisions Canadians make about Israel.
In my opinion, Canada should not pick sides in this conflict, but we should allow some civilian refugees from all sides of the conflict to immigrate to Canada. I would hate to see Canada condemn boatloads of refugees to death like we did in this case:
The adversaries of the US and Israel are trying to collapse unpopular, brutal pro-west military dictatorships in Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Pakistan. These countries will switch sides and begin to support Hamas in Gaza and Hezbollah in Lebanon just like Iran and Syria.
The oppression and injustice suffered by Palestinians is being used to rally public opinion against Israel and the US and their brutal dictatorships in Egypt, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. Sooner or later, Israel and the US will start to loose the war and western nations like Canada will be called upon to help.
To make an informed decision, Canadians must be aware of what we are being asked to support. Right now most Canadians support Israel without realizing that means we support the continued injustice and oppression suffered by Palestinians. This string discusses facts which should be factored into any decisions Canadians make about Israel.
In my opinion, Canada should not pick sides in this conflict, but we should allow some civilian refugees from all sides of the conflict to immigrate to Canada. I would hate to see Canada condemn boatloads of refugees to death like we did in this case:
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Okay.
First of all, I don't accept the entirety of your prediction.....but, I will, for the sake of argument, treat it as completely feasible.
Iran DOES have a nuclear program that seeks to enrich uranium...........that is fact. They claim it is only for peaceful purposes. One has to ask, why does one of the premier producers of oil in the world need to set up an expensive nuclear power generating facility? Add to that the fact that Iran's Mullahs have openly stated the need for a Muslim atomic bomb, that it WOULD be used against Israel, and that in the case of a Israeli-Islam nuclear war, the Muslim world would survive, but Israel would be wiped off the map. I would point out that the entire population of the West Bank and Gaza would be martyred by their "friends" in Islam.........no surprize there.
I hope that Israel takes military action against Iran, the sooner the better.
BTW, Hezbollah, at least, wants to murder ALL Jews. Funny you should use the SS St. Louis as an example.........
I regret our alliances with Saudi Arabia especially, and to a lesser degree with both Egypt and Pakistan..........but the Sauds have the oil, we replaced the Russians as Egypt's friend, which allowed peace to flourish between them and Israel...........as for Pakistan, we'll see.
I do not for a moment regret our alliance and friendship with Israel. Here is a shock for you.........Israeli ARABS are better off than most Arabs in surrounding nations.
This pisses me off. You blather on about Israeli mistreatment of Palestinian "refugees" while completely ignoring the treatment of innocents by Iran, by Syria, by Hezbollah, by Hamas..........so much worse. So much worse. You forget "Palestine" is territories and people completely abandoned by their nations....Jordan and Egypt. You forget Israel is attacked repeatedly EVERY SINGLE DAY by the Palestinians. EVERY DAY!
You also forget Israel is a constitutional democracy....our brother. An Island of sanity in a sea of madness.
Yes, we should support her.
If we do not, there will be more ships like the SS St. Louis.
...and a bunch of narcissistic nuts have the Jerico Bomb.
What makes THIER way right?
Sleep well in your illusions....
The thing about the Sudetenland, Rhineland and Austria was that they SHOULD have been part of Germany. They shouldn't have been taken away.
They people in those areas were German, they wanted to be part of a German state.
It was no different then East and West Germany re-integrating. This is why re-construction efforts in wars these days focus on rebuilding.
In other cases population shifts were carried out, thus cementing a change. This is in effect what happened in Kosovo, in Northern Ireland, Turkey and Greece, India and Pakistan, North and South America, and Australasia.
In those second set of changes, time has gone by and new populations live in those regions whom you cant simply displace for the sins of the fathers.
Yo #juan, how ya doing?
Please explain the necessity of going back here time and again?
What does it matter? I hate to repeat myself---LET IT GO!
Regards,
scratch
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No. Don't bother repeating yourself. I don't much like the way Israel has handled the indigenous people who's land they were given, and who's land they continue to steal. Palestine has been mightily screwed by Israel with the help and encouragement of the U.S. If I am wrong, show me where I'm wrong and I will apologise.