Israel...

[Zzarchov]

A pity that the entire nation of Germany couldn't have been ceded to the jewish after the war. After all,it was Germany & its leadership that caused all the trouble to begin with.

Technically it was Austrians who did most of the planning and where the senior leadership.

Austria just weaseled out of the blame and pinned it all on the Germans (Despite the fact Austrians considered themselves German)

Also, the concept of Israel only starting after the holocaust is bunk. The image of waves of Jewish settlers fleeing Europe is mostly propaganda.

The area had large Jewish demographics long before they arrived, Jerusalem had been majority Jewish for nearing 50 years for instance.

 

[Just the Facts]

I suggest we all pack it up in the Americas and head back to wherever our ancestors came from, and we can leave it all to the indigenous peoples. This is what everyone is suggesting, right?

Actually a friend just got back from Europe and told me we are being left behind....Europe is booming. Maybe going back isn't such a bad idea!!

 

[lone wolf]

Actually a friend just got back from Europe and told me we are being left behind....Europe is booming. Maybe going back isn't such a bad idea!!

;-) Ever think maybe it's because they were smart enough to get rid of us?

Woof!

 

[einmensch]

Technically it was Austrians who did most of the planning and where the senior leadership.

Austria just weaseled out of the blame and pinned it all on the Germans (Despite the fact Austrians considered themselves German)

Also, the concept of Israel only starting after the holocaust is bunk. The image of waves of Jewish settlers fleeing Europe is mostly propaganda.

The area had large Jewish demographics long before they arrived, Jerusalem had been majority Jewish for nearing 50 years for instance.

Austrians have never considered themselves Germans. In fact Austrians do not like North Germans and North Germans dislike Austrians. Austrians are much more receptive of South Germans, Hungarians, Czechs, Slovaks, Slovanians, German speaking Romanians, Croatians, (and other Northern parts of former Yugoslavia). In Fact the dialect spoken in many of these areas is very similar to that spoken in Austria. Yes--there is a common written and spoken HIGH German and dialect is not permitted in formal writing or speech. Hitler took Austria by force, changed the currency and stamped his head and wording over Austrian stamps. Go bray your wisdom to the dummies. There certainly were a number of Austrians that welcomed Hitler und Anschluss but it was not a majority. Unless you are from those areas, and speak their languages/ dialects, be quiet, you know squat.

How about explaining your comments above in red--I don't get what you are talking about. Do you know?

 

[Just the Facts]

It's funny how if you are not a staunch supporter of Isreal, you are anti-semitic.

Only place I've ever heard that is from staunch critics of Israel, oddly enough.

 

[lone wolf]

Only place I've ever heard that is from staunch critics of Israel, oddly enough.

Staunch critic ... as in doesn't believe Israelites poop posies....

Woof!

 

[einmensch]

1900 Jewish population in Palestine 78,000, about 30,000 in Jerusalem and just imagine the Palestinians didn't murder them.

 

[einmensch]

France, Portugal, Spain, Poland Czchoslovakia, Estonia, Poland, Croatia-the people survive -spent a week or so in each --older people in former Russian occupied lands are finding it very difficult--
--interesting that gasoline in Croatia was the same as in Ontario
-don't only notice the 100,000 are are doing well

 

[einmensch]

Only place I've ever heard that is from staunch critics of Israel, oddly enough.

Just the Facts
--search anti semitic and google will give you 72 pages of wesites and guess what//
BUT agreed jews have decided that anti semitic is not good especially since so few Jews are semites ,so like Colpy they have gone to NAZI, JEW HATER,
Holocaust Denier,
and anti semitic when it is action not words-These answer all concerns usually followed by how stupid the other person is not to lick boots and smile like a doggy. Arrogant are we not boys, girls, hermorphodites?
Anti semitism is the resin used to keep the brood together and 6million is the hardner

Eh what the Facts!

Anti-Zionism may become antisemitic ?

 

[I think not]

And if anyone who walked those lands, hunted those forests or fished in those waters want to file a claim, they'd have every right to do so. Suceeding generations have lost nothing real for how can one lose what one never actually breathed, drank, ate or held in one's hand? Only a fool can put a price on a spirit.

Hey, I agree with you, but a few members in this thread seem to be under the impression if you go far back in history, you can lay claims to present day Palestine.

 

[Zzarchov]

Austrians have never considered themselves Germans. In fact Austrians do not like North Germans and North Germans dislike Austrians. Austrians are much more receptive of South Germans, Hungarians, Czechs, Slovaks, Slovanians, German speaking Romanians, Croatians, (and other Northern parts of former Yugoslavia). In Fact the dialect spoken in many of these areas is very similar to that spoken in Austria. Yes--there is a common written and spoken HIGH German and dialect is not permitted in formal writing or speech. Hitler took Austria by force, changed the currency and stamped his head and wording over Austrian stamps. Go bray your wisdom to the dummies. There certainly were a number of Austrians that welcomed Hitler und Anschluss but it was not a majority. Unless you are from those areas, and speak their languages/ dialects, be quiet, you know squat.

How about explaining your comments above in red--I don't get what you are talking about. Do you know?

You should read alot more about pan-germanish and the senior SS leadership, especially those in charge of the final solution.

Eichmann for instance, spend his childhood (including joining the Austrian SS before it merged with Germany), Hitler was Austrian etc.

This wasn't unusual as Austrians considered themselves german, thats the nature of pan germanism and why Anschluss happened (and why it had full support of Austria)

Quite frankly it was fully supported. There was more resistance to german rule in Bavaria than Austria. Its revisionist propaganda that Austria was against the war, used to keep Austria out of Soviet hands.

 

[scratch]

You should read alot more about pan-germanish and the senior SS leadership, especially those in charge of the final solution.

Eichmann for instance, spend his childhood (including joining the Austrian SS before it merged with Germany), Hitler was Austrian etc.

This wasn't unusual as Austrians considered themselves german, thats the nature of pan germanism and why Anschluss happened (and why it had full support of Austria)

Quite frankly it was fully supported. There was more resistance to german rule in Bavaria than Austria. Its revisionist propaganda that Austria was against the war, used to keep Austria out of Soviet hands.

Will this ever stop? Why must it go on?
At some point common sense will have to be observed and logic applied.
IMPHO---It is becoming a huge pita.

 

[lone wolf]

Will this ever stop? Why must it go on?
At some point common sense will have to be observed and logic applied.
IMPHO---It is becoming a huge pita.

Will it ever stop? No. "I am the centre of the universe" is a culture. It's the only life any of them know. It must go on because victims get attention. Attention has commercial value. Common sense and logic.... In the middle east?

 

[scratch]

Will it ever stop? No. "I am the centre of the universe" is a culture. It's the only life any of them know. It must go on because victims get attention. Attention has commercial value. Common sense and logic.... In the middle east?

Since 1975 I have been watching TVO vis-a-vis what happened to The Jews. Since then up to the present day PBS, Discovery Civilization, The History Channel, the Military Channel and a plethora of others have repeatedly aired footage about the plight of the Jews. I know the footage like the back of my hand. This was what everything is about: money. Those who do not have it want it and will do anything to get it.
The Jews through the generosity of the British were afforded the land that they now inhabit.
When even a hint of its being invaded or threatened, they act quickly as they will with Iran, more power to them.
Logic lies with Israel because they want to survive and will.
To be truthful I have given up on this subject as others should. If it has commercial value, that is sick and pathetic.

 

[Zzarchov]

Generosity of the British? Weizmann's munitions breakthroughs really don't make it sound that way.

 

[lone wolf]

Generosity of the British? Weizmann's munitions breakthroughs really don't make it sound that way.

Of course it was British generosity. It looks good to the world yet costs so little when it isn't yours to give.

 

[Zzarchov]

Well, who's was it to give?

If not the legal government of the Ottomans, nor the British they gave it to, nor the Jewish population living there...

Who does own the land?

 

[lone wolf]

Well, who's was it to give?

If not the legal government of the Ottomans, nor the British they gave it to, nor the Jewish population living there...

Who does own the land?

Where did you get the "Jewish population living there" ? Between they and the Arab population who lived there (Palestine) you would have the Palestinians who have full rights to be there.

 

[Zzarchov]

Where did you get the "Jewish population living there" ? Between they and the Arab population who lived there (Palestine) you would have the Palestinians who have full rights to be there.

That is what self determination means right? The jewish population wanted to be independant, the Arab population wanted a pan-arab state and decided Jewish people werent' a majority, as long as you extended the borders out far enough.

Im not saying they were wrong to oppose such a move anymore than Serbia opposing Kosovo seperation. Regionalism is not a fun thing.

But those who did stay in Israel when it seperated, have full right to live there, as do any children born in Israel or anyone who legally immigrated.

Poor Israel, if its leaders would just convert to Islam no one would care about one group of muslims oppressive a foreign group of muslims on their own land (see Syria, Lebanon, etc).


But now for the show.


Hamas set off massive Gaza blast

The Beit Lahiya blast killed seven people and injured 50


The armed wing of Hamas has admitted that a massive explosion in the Gaza Strip on Thursday was caused by militants preparing an armed operation.
Seven people, including a four-month-old baby were killed in the blast, in Beit Lahiya, in the north of the strip.
Hamas had initially blamed the explosion on an Israeli air strike and responded with rocket fire, but Israel denied any involvement. Egypt is currently trying to broker a truce between Israel and Hamas. Israel said on Wednesday that it would support Egypt's efforts but instructed the army to prepare for possible military action in Gaza if they failed.

 

[einmensch]

Zzarkoff-Austria was occupied by French, British, American and Russian troops. To move from one part of Vienna to another each person had a passport. In 1955 Austria regained its freedom. Hitler was exiled by Austria went to Germany and returned. Wehrmacht troops entered Austria to enforce the Anschluss. The Nazis held a plebiscite within the following month, where they received 99.73% of the vote. These votes were bogus just as they were up until 1955. Austrians do not consider themselves Germans. Österreicher denken an sich als Deutsch nicht. Sie besprechen etwas, dass Sie nicht verstehen. Large numbers of Ostereicher sind Czechs, Slovaks, Slovenians , Hungarians--. Yes there were Austrian Nazis and we all know that Austrians were building Cathedrals while the Germans were still swinging in the trees.