Israel - The Right to exist as a State?

Does Israel have the right to exist with secure borders free from attack


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earth_as_one

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yes ,they have right to exist a state not in the earth but in the moon, they shouldnt have neighbours around,

*killing is very tiring ,
*they deserved to be retired.

What about the Israeli people? In general, how do you feel about them? I read that Turkey is a popular Israeli tourist destination.
 

earth_as_one

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... It is getting more light and more people are getting to read the details themselves. That list is just a summary, the whole list of Arab villages is more than 400 in number.

Yes, the momentum has swung behind the peace movement now. Thanks to Goldstone, AI and other NGO's, the peace movement has irrefutable proof that some Israelis have commited war crimes and crimes against humanity. We have pictures, satellite images, personal testimony by objective third parties... Now its up to us to make sure that people are aware of this information.
 

Colpy

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Yes, the momentum has swung behind the peace movement now. Thanks to Goldstone, AI and other NGO's, the peace movement has irrefutable proof that some Israelis have commited war crimes and crimes against humanity. We have pictures, satellite images, personal testimony by objective third parties... Now its up to us to make sure that people are aware of this information.

Delusional.

The peace movement in Israel (the only one that matters) has basically ceased to exist since Arafat spit in the face of peace and launched the intifada instead of negotiating........all done to cover his own corruption.

The vast majority of Israelis see they have no partner in seeking a reasonable peace, and so have resigned themselves to a hard line. The "peace movement" has all but disappeared.....
 

petros

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The peace movement in Israel (the only one that matters) has basically ceased to exist since Arafat spit in the face of peace and launched the intifada instead of negotiating........all done to cover his own corruption.
A right wing Zionist nut job putting holes in Rabin (who realized to get peace they had to face the justice wanted by Palestinians and he agreed it was time to face up and settle up) is what has made peace and more importantly justice impossible to this day.

If Zionism wasn't split into umpteen different freakin factions then maybe Israel wouldn't come off looking like a bunch of inbred hicks.
 

darkbeaver

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MHz: No, you become patriots or rebels. Terrorists are the ones who go out of their way to kill non combatants.

How about uniformed sanctioned ones who go all the way arround to the other side of the world to murder women and children in their homes with missiles? You have your own definition to comfort you Ironsides. The non combatants killed in this cowardly manner are uncountable.
 

ironsides

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How about uniformed sanctioned ones who go all the way arround to the other side of the world to murder women and children in their homes with missiles? You have your own definition to comfort you Ironsides. The non combatants killed in this cowardly manner are uncountable.

Technology has increased the reach a country has to defend itself. I do have a comfort zone when it comes to attacks against the U.S. It is called zero tolerance, and a just response would be what ever it takes. That means sending in uniformed as well as un-uniformed soldiers. Non combatants usually have plenty of warning to get out of the way, if they know they are in a war.
 

darkbeaver

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Technology has increased the reach a country has to defend itself. I do have a comfort zone when it comes to attacks against the U.S. It is called zero tolerance, and a just response would be what ever it takes. That means sending in uniformed as well as un-uniformed soldiers. Non combatants usually have plenty of warning to get out of the way, if they know they are in a war.

So by your own principals every country ever attacked by the USA has the right to defend itself by undeclared preemptive strikes against the USA. Your only defense of this stupid argument is to invoke the god given superiority of a chosen people status.
That is however preposterous, as any Zionist will tell you, that right is reserved for only one people. Logically then you (USA) have to expect attacks from those same agencies holding to the same philosophy. This ultimately means that you are the cause of your own destruction and that it is plain, you have actually been attacking yourselves while you believe yourselves to be attacking the enemy. It is apparent then ,that your "comfort zone", is a room lined with rubber.
 

MHz

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MHz: No, you become patriots or rebels. Terrorists are the ones who go out of their way to kill non combatants.
I think if you check the actual charges they can be laid for using combat weapons that are excessive for the intended result. ie flattening a whole block where there is known to be more people than just the intended target.
In Afghanistan instead of bombing the whole wedding part you should be able to pick them off individually coming or going rather than having to take out civilians out just because they are there. That means the civilian deaths are intentional.
Yes, the momentum has swung behind the peace movement now. Thanks to Goldstone, AI and other NGO's, the peace movement has irrefutable proof that some Israelis have commited war crimes and crimes against humanity. We have pictures, satellite images, personal testimony by objective third parties... Now its up to us to make sure that people are aware of this information.
Hopefully the Judges have a lot more information than 'we. can supply. That is wher the changes are going to be made, if there are going to be any. If none are coming that pretty much means the ones being abused can use any method they want since Law has been shown to mean nothing.
That report takes care of abuses there, what other investigations are taking place around the world. For instance why is the US not named as a co-defendant, they have blatantly said they don't care how Israel used the weapons they give them (for free). The really sad part is when they give the munitions number more coverage (media) than the details of who it killed. The deaths are lumped together to minimize that aspect.
I deal with it more like it is an issue that comes up over coffee 'with somebody'. I would happily subscribe to UNTV if I was given the choice of what camera angles I could watch at the Court-house for the upcoming trials (of not just Israel) (zoom in on Tzipi's face during the reading of the charges and count how many time she swallows, lol)
 

MHz

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Technology has increased the reach a country has to defend itself. I do have a comfort zone when it comes to attacks against the U.S. It is called zero tolerance, and a just response would be what ever it takes. That means sending in uniformed as well as un-uniformed soldiers. Non combatants usually have plenty of warning to get out of the way, if they know they are in a war.
Using your 'get out of the way' means making them a refugee, that makes you a war criminal, see how easy that is?
Really, Israel locks all their gates and then forces Egypt to do the same and then access to 'international water' is cut-off, and then the attacks start. The US does the same in Iraq, a 'troublesome town/city' is surrounded, sealed from escape and then pounded by explosives. (as a lesson)
The very name non-combatant means you shouldn't be killing them at all, let alone in the 1000% more than combatants killed.
Your zero tolerance also goes to include those who would defend their own land against you. While they are standing on their own land you call them terrorists yet if you were doing the same on American soil you are a patriot. lol
 

EagleSmack

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I am hearing reports from Dubai of a Hamas leader was assasinated at a Dubai hotel. They had European passports from England, France, Italy, and Ireland. A whole crew of them. Many of their movements were caught on tape and all left Dubai after they killed him.

I wonder who did that?
 

Colpy

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I am hearing reports from Dubai of a Hamas leader was assasinated at a Dubai hotel. They had European passports from England, France, Italy, and Ireland. A whole crew of them. Many of their movements were caught on tape and all left Dubai after they killed him.

I wonder who did that?

Italians.

A fatwa from the Pope.
 

ironsides

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Now what about the group that started all this in the first place al Qaeda.

Is al Qaeda finally bankrupt?

Desperate for funds, the terrorist group has turned to affiliates that rely more and more on crime.

This by the way is what I consider a terrorist group by definition.

Is al Qaeda Bankrupt? - Forbes.com
 

MHz

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What was being alluded to is they are a fictious enemy of the US. The US gave them the acid they were throwing in people's faces as far back as the early 70's.
 

ironsides

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Using your 'get out of the way' means making them a refugee, that makes you a war criminal, see how easy that is?
Really, Israel locks all their gates and then forces Egypt to do the same and then access to 'international water' is cut-off, and then the attacks start. The US does the same in Iraq, a 'troublesome town/city' is surrounded, sealed from escape and then pounded by explosives. (as a lesson)
The very name non-combatant means you shouldn't be killing them at all, let alone in the 1000% more than combatants killed.
Your zero tolerance also goes to include those who would defend their own land against you. While they are standing on their own land you call them terrorists yet if you were doing the same on American soil you are a patriot. lol

Nobody is forcing Egypt to do anything, as of right now, people of Gaza City can move out into any other city in the strip they want. No reason to stay in the so called hell hole you describe. Cannot say they have not been warned. By the way, those who stand and fight are patriots, and cowards for using their own people as shields.
 

MHz

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I am hearing reports from Dubai of a Hamas leader was assasinated at a Dubai hotel. They had European passports from England, France, Italy, and Ireland. A whole crew of them. Many of their movements were caught on tape and all left Dubai after they killed him.

I wonder who did that?
How did they leave?? In a car headed north ???