Israel - The Right to exist as a State?

Does Israel have the right to exist with secure borders free from attack


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DaSleeper

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May 27, 2007
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earth_as_one

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So every court in Europe, and the US were wrong in their judgements - Every art piece that was ever recovered, was wrong. Amazing that courts in a democracy would not adhere to the laws.
Where did Finkelstein make that claim?

Again from the quote above:

Finkelstein: The Holocaust industry demanded a final settlement with the Swiss bankers before the Volcker committee completed its work because "needy Holocaust victims are dying every day." Yet once the Swiss agreed to a $1.25 billion settlement in August 1998, the urgency suddenly vanished. Two years have elapsed but not a single cent of the Swiss monies has been distributed to the actual claimants.


By October 2009, some $490 million had been paid out to individual claimants, and acceptance of new claims had been discontinued for some time.
World Jewish Congress lawsuit against Swiss banks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

...The organization, founded in 1936 in Switzerland, the Conference on Jewish Material Claims Against Germany, the World Jewish Restitution Organization, and the International Commission on Holocaust Era Insurance Claims, founded in 1998, have secured millions of dollars for the victims and survivors of the Holocaust in payments from Germany, Swiss banks, Insurances and other parties totaling $20 billion.[4][5]...

Haaretz reported that the name of the organization "was associated with financial irregularities, corruption and endless power struggles."[7]
World Jewish Congress - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I've tried to figure out how much has been paid out to holocaust victims and their heirs, but I can't. Please correct me if I'm wrong,, but it looks like the organization which initiated these law suits still possesses most of the money they claim belongs to holocaust victims and their heirs.
 

Goober

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Where did Finkelstein make that claim?

Again from the quote above:

Finkelstein: The Holocaust industry demanded a final settlement with the Swiss bankers before the Volcker committee completed its work because "needy Holocaust victims are dying every day." Yet once the Swiss agreed to a $1.25 billion settlement in August 1998, the urgency suddenly vanished. Two years have elapsed but not a single cent of the Swiss monies has been distributed to the actual claimants.


By October 2009, some $490 million had been paid out to individual claimants, and acceptance of new claims had been discontinued for some time.
World Jewish Congress lawsuit against Swiss banks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

...The organization, founded in 1936 in Switzerland, the Conference on Jewish Material Claims Against Germany, the World Jewish Restitution Organization, and the International Commission on Holocaust Era Insurance Claims, founded in 1998, have secured millions of dollars for the victims and survivors of the Holocaust in payments from Germany, Swiss banks, Insurances and other parties totaling $20 billion.[4][5]...

Haaretz reported that the name of the organization "was associated with financial irregularities, corruption and endless power struggles."[7]
World Jewish Congress - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I've tried to figure out how much has been paid out to holocaust victims and their heirs, but I can't. Please correct me if I'm wrong,, but it looks like the organization which initiated these law suits still possesses most of the money they claim belongs to holocaust victims and their heirs.
I met privately with a member of the German delegation holding unimpeachable moral credentials. For several hours he defended the Claims Conference as vehemently as I denounced it. Just before leaving, however, he turned to me and said: "I'll be honest with you. On our side, we all feel like we're being blackmailed." I suspect that privately many decent Germans agree - regrettably, with good reason. One can also assume that many decent Swiss privately echo these sentiments. And it is not difficult to guess what East Europeans think as the Holocaust industry, falsely claiming as its own the property of murdered Jews, presses for an acceleration in the pace of property evictions.
 

ironsides

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No one has actually asked this question: Tell me one other state in the Mid-East that the people enjoy as many democratic freedoms as Israel. Though not a perfect democracy like we have, do not have neighbors armed to the teeth just awaiting orders to annihilate us. So within those parameters I see they have no choice in what they do.
 

CDNBear

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No one has actually asked this question: Tell me one other state in the Mid-East that the people enjoy as many democratic freedoms as Israel. Though not a perfect democracy like we have, do not have neighbors armed to the teeth just awaiting orders to annihilate us. So within those parameters I see they have no choice in what they do.
Iron, you need to use moral relativism and ignore the fact that a one state solution would end in the subjugation of Israelis, if not a wholesale slaughter.

Then you'll see that a one state solution is the bees knees.

That way, even when Jewish blood floods the streets, you can say they had it coming for being bad neighbours.