Very good. I agree. As a US Marine assigned to a ship for a time everything was close in fighting when training. Small passageways, tight compartments, etc.
"At close range'... well yeah
Israel 'attacks' Gaza aid fleet
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Very good. I agree. As a US Marine assigned to a ship for a time everything was close in fighting when training. Small passageways, tight compartments, etc.
"At close range'... well yeah
That is what you wish to have understood and I obviously would agree with the article I posted. In the same post I also stated the reason given for the blockade/state of armed conflict is based on a 'presumed right'. Things change sometimes.
And Israel has a list of prohibited items, that would have to be checked against what the UN lists as prohibited. I can understand why some are on the list, no use sending them because thieves make off with them before they can be delivered to the UN inside Gaza and the West Bank. Nobody seems to interfere with the delivery of goods to Israel despite their tendency to use their war machines against civilians.
Like I said the names and bios aren't out yet.
They gave the last convoy the go-ahead because the Mavi Marmara was a from Turkey, as far as I know the Irish don't even have canoes.
What a twit, yes the article I posted does point to the rules of blockades, it is about weapons, specifically rockets and lets throw in the spare parts just for the hell of it. Wheelchair batteries were on a pre-existing list or they have thieves in their ports.
All under false pretenses, Hamas is an elected government, UN181 gave the country status by Nov of 1948 no matter what. The UN was to hear any disputes. The 33 countries said they Government was allowed to form a protective force. Start from there and work forward, those right were never taken away by the body that gave them, Jews and Arabs had rights and responsibilities or satasfaction through the UN Courts, of which none have been allowed to proceed because of US vetoes. Perhaps that can help at the security council but I doubt it.
No kidding, try that the conflict is older than 70 years when you evn glance at any summation of events.
Spin it all you want, only in some cases is a blocade legal, in other cases it is gunboat diplomacy.
NP, facts are facts.
When it includes items meant for civilians it does need it.
It might be in crash and burn mode anyway.
Re: WHY can Americans be Murdered by the Israeli Government With Impunity?
It doesn't take a lot of reading to figure out what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians in Gaza. Almost two million Palestinians are trapped in Gaza, which is no better than any other refugee camp. The attack on the ship and the killing of innocent civilians by the Israelis was piracy. Israel has no special rights to attack ships in international waters, except the apparent condoning of these actions by the U.S.. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is really the U.S.-Palestinian conflict.
It doesn't take a lot of reading to figure out what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians in Gaza. Almost two million Palestinians are trapped in Gaza, which is no better than any other refugee camp. The attack on the ship and the killing of innocent civilians by the Israelis was piracy. Israel has no special rights to attack ships in international waters, except the apparent condoning of these actions by the U.S.. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is really the U.S.-Palestinian conflict.
No... The hate mongers on the flotilla attacked the Israelis immediately. Had there been customs agents sent, they would have been battered and butchered by the lawless mob that were clearly prepared to do harm to anyone that came by.
Holy cow... You really have a deep hatred for the Jews don't you.
GET HELP IMMEDIATELY!
So is launching thousands of missiles into a sovereign nation... Funny how that works, eh?
.. But, they didn't bring the farm, did they? Just a few specific items for a particular purpose.
They weren't tools MHz, they were weapons inventoried specifically to cause harm to others.
I wonder how that warship will stand-up to the Israeli airforce?
Probably not too well.
Well, since you put it that way, I suppose that it does fully excuse the Palestinians frequent habit of pushing women and children in front of the Hamas soldiers (real brave SOB's at that) to take the brunt of the violence.
Just 20 years? The Israelis have been attacked, threatened and subjected to teh most vile racial pressures since their inception.
20 years?... pppfffffttt
Probably?
This is tin-foil-hat talk MHz. Put up or shut up via real evidence and not your biased gut feeling.
Are you serious?... What a joke, Hamas wouldn't have enough cash to scrape together a bowl of rice on their own. Their are entirely dependent on everyone else for everything.
They can't afford real medical food or education, but get arms and explosives by the boat-load.
That said, that's why they are so pissed about this blockade. israel is turned-off the tap for their arms supplies.
Yeah, sure... There's a big need for electric wheel chairs in a nation that can't even feed itself.
Think about MHz... It doesn't make any sense.
That's smart strategy.. That's all.
When was the last time that Turkey fought independently in a war? And I'm not talking about a nominal role with the UN.
Re: WHY can Americans be Murdered by the Israeli Government With Impunity?
With all due respect Juan, what is your own country doing? I think the US response is wishy washy at best but certainly not condoning it.
With all due respect Juan, what is your own country doing? I think the US response is wishy washy at best but certainly not condoning it.
Another sensible commentary....
George Jonas: Crusade of the peace terrorists | Full Comment | National Post
George Jonas: Crusade of the peace terrorists | Full Comment | National Post
Who's controlling the message on this?
I have yet to see any footage from the people on board the ship.
While everyone is patting each other on the back about how many people they killed should we not wait for the whole story and demand we get it?
A clearer picture emerges of bloodshed aboard Gaza-bound ship
I have yet to see any footage from the people on board the ship.
While everyone is patting each other on the back about how many people they killed should we not wait for the whole story and demand we get it?
A clearer picture emerges of bloodshed aboard Gaza-bound ship
Re: WHY can Americans be Murdered by the Israeli Government With Impunity?
sorry ....I didnt realize there was another thread
Two interesting quotes from your link:
So, when one considers the fact that both the blockade and the boarding were perfectly legal........
the Israelis are slowly emerging as completely justified......
I was being fair from the beginning and never assumed anything....how about you?
I'd still like to see the video's.
Why haven't we?
Why just video released by the Israeli military?
Ah who cares....Israel is always right anyways.
No, I confess.
I usually assume Islamo-fascist lunatics are in the wrong.
I've occassionally been wrong in that assumption.....but not often......
and not this time.
I'd love to know what your thoughts are of the Palestinian people Colpy.
PM them to me since it may be a little off topic here.
I'm curious.
That's what I'd like to know.
PM them to me since it may be a little off topic here.
I'm curious.
That's what I'd like to know.
This has long ago turned into a PR War - Note AAH Week - Boycotts etc - All against Israel but nothing about Hamas - Hezbollah - Israel should lift the blockade in my
opinion
Their is another War coming and Israel will have to take the first missile showers - suffer casualties then people may understand what these Terrorists are all about. Israel cannot be seen to do a pre emptive strike like 67 - They are going to have to take pain, dead civilians and children and show restraint - and then there will be more attacks - and then some more.
Then and only then can they attack and do it right this time - do not destroy infrastructure - hospitals - bridges - and it will most likely include Syria.
That is what I see occurring within the next year or so at the most. Major War is on the horizon.
I also noted that I am a " worthless retard" for posting Mr. Clements Cartoons - worth 10,000 words they were. The person that disagrees should find another term because he/she is insulting persons with disabilities - But I guess that would fit into the Master Plan. 1st the Jews then>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
And they should also note that persons with mental disabilities are the ones that demonstrate compassion and kindness on a daily basis - day after day- They are an example to all of us that helps us understand what we have and to count our blessings and be thankful. So I do not find be called that offensive I take it as a compliment. Thank you
Flotilla Choir presents: We Con the World .
(LatmaTV) "We'll make the world, abandon reason. We'll make them all believe that the Hamas is Momma Theresa"
YouTube - Flotilla Choir presents: We Con the World
(LatmaTV) "We'll make the world, abandon reason. We'll make them all believe that the Hamas is Momma Theresa"
YouTube - Flotilla Choir presents: We Con the World
I guess we'll never know.
Did you just think it was Muslims?
The not so funny part is signing a cease-fire and then unloading a lot more tonnage in 1 day than those rockets from Gaza carried collectively.
600 people and 60 weapons
Israel must have improved it's targeting since the Liberty then. Why do you assume that would be the end of it. Given their position at the UN perhaps they can put a group together
They are on the same side twit.
That was just going back to '87, when Hamas came on the scene. Making 700,000 people refugees contrary to all signed agreements even before May of 1948 is their normal tactic. What do they have to give the Rothschild in exchange for this 'gift' from then. Wait, first they have to claim the territory originally demanded. Perpetual slavery to follow that. Theu should have stuck with God, at least He was true to His word.
That false-flag operations exist? Gulf of Tonkin ring a bell.
Another gift from the pages of UN181, Oh, wait we bailed along with 33 other Nations and didn't demand anybody follow it except the Arabs. Just as two-faced as we were in daeling with out Indian problem.
You must agree by now that Israel was the onlt one to bring fire-arms aboard.
There were none, aren't you paying attention.
By design, Israel sets how much aid come in and then steals the rest for themselves or lets it sit until it is spoiled and on no use to antbody, all by design.
Don't bet on it, there only has tp be a collective will to short the oil supplies and stop using the US dollar. America will be out of business and Israel will be out of fuel, all perfectly legal.
I don't keep stats like that, ask Colpy he likes to keep track of kill ratios and things like that.
Pretty funny vid from the killers of the people on the Mavi Marmara
You can send them a thank you note if you like.
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A "New York Times" Headline: Second Set of Activists Steams Toward Gaza
Link: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/05/world/middleeast/05flotilla.html?src=mv
JERUSALEM — Days after a deadly confrontation at sea when Israeli commandos raided a
flotilla trying to challenge the naval blockade of Gaza, an Irish-owned vessel carrying
humanitarian supplies and a small group of pro-Palestinian activists was on the way,
scheduled to arrive early on Saturday.
On Friday, the Israeli and Irish governments reached an agreement to unload the vessel’s
cargo at the port in Ashdod, in southern Israel, and transport it to Gaza — essentially the
same deal Israel offered to the activists in the aid convoy that was attacked on Monday.
But Greta Berlin, a spokeswoman for the Free Gaza Movement, the principal organizer of
the earlier flotilla, said that those on board had rejected that approach. “The whole point is
to try to break the blockade,” Ms. Berlin said, speaking by telephone from Cyprus.
The rejection left open the possibility of another confrontation, though with only 11 passengers
on board, 4 of them over 60 years old, and a crew of 8, there seemed to be less potential for
violence. The passengers have said that any resistance will be peaceful.
The rest of that story can be read at the above Link...
Link: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/05/world/middleeast/05flotilla.html?src=mv
JERUSALEM — Days after a deadly confrontation at sea when Israeli commandos raided a
flotilla trying to challenge the naval blockade of Gaza, an Irish-owned vessel carrying
humanitarian supplies and a small group of pro-Palestinian activists was on the way,
scheduled to arrive early on Saturday.
On Friday, the Israeli and Irish governments reached an agreement to unload the vessel’s
cargo at the port in Ashdod, in southern Israel, and transport it to Gaza — essentially the
same deal Israel offered to the activists in the aid convoy that was attacked on Monday.
But Greta Berlin, a spokeswoman for the Free Gaza Movement, the principal organizer of
the earlier flotilla, said that those on board had rejected that approach. “The whole point is
to try to break the blockade,” Ms. Berlin said, speaking by telephone from Cyprus.
The rejection left open the possibility of another confrontation, though with only 11 passengers
on board, 4 of them over 60 years old, and a crew of 8, there seemed to be less potential for
violence. The passengers have said that any resistance will be peaceful.
The rest of that story can be read at the above Link...