Is the Breivik right regarding the growing Muslim threat?
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I don't even understand how this crazy fack can claim that multiculturalism is to to blame for his slaughter. He was killing the same skinned people of him self, the guy is delusional and now he has a stage to spew his nonsense. The cops should have shot him on the spot.
Follow the line of thought
1) Moderate Islam does not exist and demands absolute obedience
2) Islam is both a system of government and legal system which is incompatible with Western democratic and legal systems
3) Muslim majority societies discriminate against non-Muslims. Non-Muslims pay additional taxes, tithes, fines and penalties
4) The Islamic community intends to turn Europe into a network of Muslim majority countries by democratic means through immigration and high birthrates, (relative to European birthrates)
5) Norway's government (and other European countries) have imposed treasonous immigration policies which have accelerated the creation of Eurabia ( future union of Muslim fundamentalist countries stretching from Iran to Ireland), for lefty elitist personal profit motives.
6) Muslims can't help what they are. They are brainwashed filthy animals that breed uncontrollably. Sort of like rats on social welfare. Lefty elitists with multiculturalist beliefs are ignorant of the Muslim threat or too blinded by profit re: labor shortages.
Therefore Breivik concluded it was his patriotic duty to punish the people responsible and raise awareness of the Muslim problem with a manifesto, murderous rampage and hopefully a show trial. Breivik expects he won't spend 21 years in prison. He expects that he will eventually be freed by violent revolution and treated like a hero during a future civil war
I have a question for you. You get the news... How come you don't know this?
FYI: I wouldn't know it either from reading the news.
But I read his manifesto. I'd agree with deleting the bomb making recipes and guides to commit acts of terrorism. But Breivik's beliefs and how he arrived at these conclusions should be public knowledge.
Anders Behring Breivik | 2083 A European Declaration of Independence | Manifesto | Kevin I. Slaughter
BTW, Many people agree with Breivik to some degree. Check out the poll results....
I am not even remotelysuggesting that some people agree with everything Breivik did. They just agree with his viewpoint to varying degrees. I recommend you read Colpy's posts in this thread. I disagree with Colpy, but he is the most coherent debater of that viewpoint.
Its debatable if Breivik is crazy. Undoubtedly Breivik is ruthless, cruel and merciless.
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I also recommend this editorial which accurately describes Brevik's motivations in greater detail:
Anders Breivik: The First Step to Mass Murder Is a Belief in Good and Evil
The day before, they were eating ice cream. They were sitting in the sunshine, in the clearing between the pine trees, gazing up at a blue, blue sky. They were laughing, and joking, and looking, if they were girls, at the boys they liked, and looking, if they were boys, at the girls they liked, and arguing about how to make the world better. They were, as one of their leaders reminded them, in "the safest place on earth".
The next day, as some of them wept, it rained. They wept, these young people on this beautiful island, because they had just heard about a massive bomb in Oslo. They wept because people, and maybe even people they knew, had been injured and died.
Some of them were still weeping when they heard the shots. One young woman thought they were fireworks. But when she saw the bodies piling up, she knew they weren't.. .
Christina Patterson: Anders Breivik: The First Step to Mass Murder Is a Belief in Good and Evil
Anders Breivik: The First Step to Mass Murder Is a Belief in Good and Evil
The day before, they were eating ice cream. They were sitting in the sunshine, in the clearing between the pine trees, gazing up at a blue, blue sky. They were laughing, and joking, and looking, if they were girls, at the boys they liked, and looking, if they were boys, at the girls they liked, and arguing about how to make the world better. They were, as one of their leaders reminded them, in "the safest place on earth".
The next day, as some of them wept, it rained. They wept, these young people on this beautiful island, because they had just heard about a massive bomb in Oslo. They wept because people, and maybe even people they knew, had been injured and died.
Some of them were still weeping when they heard the shots. One young woman thought they were fireworks. But when she saw the bodies piling up, she knew they weren't.. .
Christina Patterson: Anders Breivik: The First Step to Mass Murder Is a Belief in Good and Evil
in reading this again, I will concede that Muslims, extreme fundamentalist Christians
and others can pose a threat if we give them the power to threaten the rest of us.
Extremists of any kind cannot threaten a society that refuses to be threatened.
Today society has decided for what ever reason to succumb itself to fear instead
of optimism.
We scurry about being afraid of this and afraid to do that instead of saying we will
continue with our lives. Oh I am not saying that we should simply refuse to accept
reality, but we can be optimistic and be cautious at the same time.
Being aware is not the same as being afraid.
and others can pose a threat if we give them the power to threaten the rest of us.
Extremists of any kind cannot threaten a society that refuses to be threatened.
Today society has decided for what ever reason to succumb itself to fear instead
of optimism.
We scurry about being afraid of this and afraid to do that instead of saying we will
continue with our lives. Oh I am not saying that we should simply refuse to accept
reality, but we can be optimistic and be cautious at the same time.
Being aware is not the same as being afraid.
Good post D.G. It applies to all situations in life, sometimes we are "paralyzed" by mere thoughts before the situation has even arisen, it's called "catastrophizing", the important thing is, is to recognize it for what it is.............99.9% of the time nothing and get busy doing something.
Ya, paranoid schizophrenia has that affect on ones mind.
It is? He's a diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic.
There you go again, using opinion to fuel opinion.
You should try observing facts, like Breivik's diagnosed mental condition. Which you continuously ignore.
Breivik's sanity will be judge by the court.
I am aware of the first and somewhat discredited psychiatric evaluation of Breivik. But a less controversial second examination declared Breivik sane. Ultimately the court will determine his sanity.
...The second evaluation was approved by a court in January following widespread criticism of last year's assessment that concluded he was psychotic at the time of the attacks and diagnosed him as a paranoid schizophrenic - meaning he would most likely be detained in psychiatric care. Many of his surviving victims believed he was sane, and that the only proper punishment would be a prison sentence.
"Our conclusion is that he is not psychotic at the time of the actions of terrorism and he is not psychotic now," psychiatrist Terje Toerrissen, who carried out the second assessment with fellow psychiatrist Agnar Aspaas, told the Associated Press.
The full report is confidential, and the two psychiatrists will give their reasons for arriving at a different conclusion to the first team of experts when they testify during the trial, AP reports.
BBC News - Norway's mass killer Breivik declared sane
Even though i can't claim to share your ignorance CB, I understand it. Its not your fault that you have a misinformed opinion. Our MSM isn't covering this case very well. You opinion of this case is probably shaped by the same Islamaphobic sources Breivik referenced while planning his murderous rampage. Currently those propagandists you so dearly love are desperately trying to maintain credibility despite being exposed as a contributing factor to this massacre. I'm not falling for their claims that "crazy Breivik isn't like us". Breivik is a monster, and they are Dr. Frankenstein...
Anyone care to voice an opinion re:
1) Moderate Islam does not exist and demands absolute obedience
2) Islam is both a system of government and legal system which is incompatible with Western democratic and legal systems
3) Muslim majority societies discriminate against non-Muslims. Non-Muslims pay additional taxes, tithes, fines and penalties
4) The Islamic community intends to turn Europe into a network of Muslim majority countries by democratic means through immigration and high birthrates, (relative to European birthrates)
5) Norway's government (and other European countries) have imposed treasonous immigration policies which have accelerated the creation of Eurabia ( future union of Muslim fundamentalist countries stretching from Iran to Ireland), for lefty elitist personal profit motives.
6) Muslims can't help what they are. They are brainwashed filthy animals that breed uncontrollably. Sort of like rats on social welfare. Lefty elitists with multiculturalist beliefs are ignorant of the Muslim threat or too blinded by profit re: labor shortages.
I am aware of the first and somewhat discredited psychiatric evaluation of Breivik. But a less controversial second examination declared Breivik sane. Ultimately the court will determine his sanity.
...The second evaluation was approved by a court in January following widespread criticism of last year's assessment that concluded he was psychotic at the time of the attacks and diagnosed him as a paranoid schizophrenic - meaning he would most likely be detained in psychiatric care. Many of his surviving victims believed he was sane, and that the only proper punishment would be a prison sentence.
"Our conclusion is that he is not psychotic at the time of the actions of terrorism and he is not psychotic now," psychiatrist Terje Toerrissen, who carried out the second assessment with fellow psychiatrist Agnar Aspaas, told the Associated Press.
The full report is confidential, and the two psychiatrists will give their reasons for arriving at a different conclusion to the first team of experts when they testify during the trial, AP reports.
BBC News - Norway's mass killer Breivik declared sane
Even though i can't claim to share your ignorance CB, I understand it. Its not your fault that you have a misinformed opinion. Our MSM isn't covering this case very well. You opinion of this case is probably shaped by the same Islamaphobic sources Breivik referenced while planning his murderous rampage. Currently those propagandists you so dearly love are desperately trying to maintain credibility despite being exposed as a contributing factor to this massacre. I'm not falling for their claims that "crazy Breivik isn't like us". Breivik is a monster, and they are Dr. Frankenstein...
Anyone care to voice an opinion re:
1) Moderate Islam does not exist and demands absolute obedience
2) Islam is both a system of government and legal system which is incompatible with Western democratic and legal systems
3) Muslim majority societies discriminate against non-Muslims. Non-Muslims pay additional taxes, tithes, fines and penalties
4) The Islamic community intends to turn Europe into a network of Muslim majority countries by democratic means through immigration and high birthrates, (relative to European birthrates)
5) Norway's government (and other European countries) have imposed treasonous immigration policies which have accelerated the creation of Eurabia ( future union of Muslim fundamentalist countries stretching from Iran to Ireland), for lefty elitist personal profit motives.
6) Muslims can't help what they are. They are brainwashed filthy animals that breed uncontrollably. Sort of like rats on social welfare. Lefty elitists with multiculturalist beliefs are ignorant of the Muslim threat or too blinded by profit re: labor shortages.
He was found to be legally sane – ability to tell right from wrong – yet he is still a paranoid schizophrenic. Yet you look for anything that will point to hatred of Islam – Even using a nutcase to support your nutcase conclusions.
Schizophrenia (/ˌskɪtsɵˈfrɛniə/ or /ˌskɪtsɵˈfriːniə/) is a mental disorder characterized by a breakdown of thought processes and by poor emotional responsiveness.[1] It most commonly manifests itself as auditory hallucinations, paranoid or bizarre delusions, or disorganized speech and thinking, and it is accompanied by significant social or occupational dysfunction. The onset of symptoms typically occurs in young adulthood, with a global lifetime prevalence of about 0.3–0.7%.[2] Diagnosis is based on observed behavior and the patient's reported experiences.
He may not be a paranoid schizophrenic..........and I wouldn't trust the opinion of a psychiatrist on whether water was wet. A very very good friend of mine was diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic. then as manic-depressive, then as something else......oh that thingy they all get diagnosed as now....the mental disease of the month.
Bi-Polar, that's it!
You couldn't put a label on it, but he was NUTS.
I don't believe Breivik had hallucinations, auditory or visual.........
What he is......is NUTS>
Sociopathic, narcissistic to an unbelievable degree, a psychopath....bananas.
I only wish Norway had capital punishment.
One and two are dead on.
Three is true in some ways and in some places, not so in others.
Four is only somewhat true..........some immams brag about it, radicals certainly work towards it, and the demographics in some countries are scary.
Five and six are, like Breivik, NUTS.
Thank you Colpy.
I do believe in moderate Islam. From what I understand, the required Muslim obedience is to God, not a person. Its that one be obedient to and accept God's will. While Imams and clerics are considered authorities regarding interpretation of the Qu'ran, they are also considered fallible (unlike the Pope). Islam has two main sects... Shiite and Sunni and about a half a dozen minor sects ... and about 1.4 billion followers.
My understanding is that some Muslim majority countries (like Turkey) are secular and separate Church and State. Sharia law has influenced Turkey's legal system in the same way the Judea-Chrisitianity has influenced our criminal justice system. However Turkey's criminal justice system is based on civil law, just like Canada.
Other Muslim majority countries are Islamic states. They can incorporate modern political institutions such as elections, parliamentary rule, judicial review, and popular sovereignty. Sharia Law may or may not be the basis of their criminal justice system. While some Muslim majority countries follow Sharia Law, movements exist to modernize the legal system so that it is more inline with modern attitudes regarding appropriate punishments, religious tolerance and what is a crime.
Iran's criminal justice system is based on civil law (laws passed by elected representatives). However since candidates must be approved by a religious council, they tend to be devout Muslims and tend to pass laws which are compatible with Sharia Law. Also laws passed by Iran's Parliament can be veto'd by the religious council... Iran does not by definition have Sharia Law, but effectively they have Sharia Law, because most elected representatives are devout Muslims.
I do believe in moderate Islam. From what I understand, the required Muslim obedience is to God, not a person. Its that one be obedient to and accept God's will. While Imams and clerics are considered authorities regarding interpretation of the Qu'ran, they are also considered fallible (unlike the Pope). Islam has two main sects... Shiite and Sunni and about a half a dozen minor sects ... and about 1.4 billion followers.
My understanding is that some Muslim majority countries (like Turkey) are secular and separate Church and State. Sharia law has influenced Turkey's legal system in the same way the Judea-Chrisitianity has influenced our criminal justice system. However Turkey's criminal justice system is based on civil law, just like Canada.
Other Muslim majority countries are Islamic states. They can incorporate modern political institutions such as elections, parliamentary rule, judicial review, and popular sovereignty. Sharia Law may or may not be the basis of their criminal justice system. While some Muslim majority countries follow Sharia Law, movements exist to modernize the legal system so that it is more inline with modern attitudes regarding appropriate punishments, religious tolerance and what is a crime.
Iran's criminal justice system is based on civil law (laws passed by elected representatives). However since candidates must be approved by a religious council, they tend to be devout Muslims and tend to pass laws which are compatible with Sharia Law. Also laws passed by Iran's Parliament can be veto'd by the religious council... Iran does not by definition have Sharia Law, but effectively they have Sharia Law, because most elected representatives are devout Muslims.
Some people also believe in Santa Claus. It doesn't matter what you believe, it is those who don't believe in moderate Islam, who also have influence over their useful idiots that can affect change. Apologists and liberal politicians are among the useful idiots.
Patially correct; Canada's justice system is primarily based on Engilsh Common Law, Quebec's justice system is based on French Civil Law. The differences are not that insiginficant, the first is bottom up and the second is top down. We have seen increasing incidence of top down governance in the past 30 years as Quebec has gained influence. Rather than having a pragmatic approach to legislation, the enlightened ruling elite legislate according to the mantra that they know what is best for us, when in fact it is really only best for them.
Democracy is the only system of governance that allows itself, even with a strong constitution, to be easily destroyed from within. All that is needed are radicals with influence.
Every group has their extremists. Portraying the actions of a few extreme individuals as representative of the mainstream would be misleading.
Belgistan? Sharia Showdown Looms in Brussels - CBN TV - Video
Good post BTW B. It highlights exactly Breivik's fears.
BTW, notice that in the beginning of that video, it does mention that most Belgium Muslims oppose these extremists. That would make most Belgium Muslims moderates.
Belgistan? Sharia Showdown Looms in Brussels - CBN TV - Video
Good post BTW B. It highlights exactly Breivik's fears.
BTW, notice that in the beginning of that video, it does mention that most Belgium Muslims oppose these extremists. That would make most Belgium Muslims moderates.
It is not the moderates who affect change, it is the radicals and their apologists. Major departures in policy from the status quo by officialdom can create a backlash from those who feel negatively affected and powerless. Official feminism and the requisite discrimination gave us Gamil Gharbi, relaxed immigration and official multiculturalism gave Norway Anders Breivik. But where Gharbi's percieved protagonists were women in general enrolled in classes he was denied access to, Anders Breivik targeted who he believed were the apologists responsible for immigration and official multiculturalism.
Appeasing radicals on one side will invariably produce resistant radicals on the other. As always, the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.
It wasn't discredited.
Of course it was less controversial. Do you even know what objectivity is?
Not according to your claims.
You do it all the time.
