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lone wolf

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Reading all your comments I asked myself what is the history of Isreal and Palestine, looked around and found the following. It has quite a bit of details but as usual have to take it with a grain of salt. But what is the true history, there are so many comments and claims out there that I am sure that we still don't have the true facts and I am beginning to wonder what is being hidden.

The Real Story of How Israel Was Created

I think, if the truth be known:

it's buried under a mountain of legend and sprouted a forest of hate that's grown to be part of the culture and peace has no room on the plate
 

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The Ketchup Man's Buffoonery Goes Splat


John Kerry aka Husband of Ms. Heinz aka Mr. Easter Island Statue aka the American Secretary of State is either a naive fool of extreme proportions or playing games while people die. How else would you explain this:
When The Times of Israel's Avi Issacharoff first reported the content of John Kerry's ceasefire proposal on Friday afternoon, I wondered if something had gotten lost in translation. It seemed inconceivable that the American secretary of state would have drafted an initiative that, as a priority, did not require the dismantling of Hamas's rocket arsenal and network of tunnels dug under the Israeli border. Yet the reported text did not address these issues at all, nor call for the demilitarization of Gaza.

The Ketchup Man's Buffoonery Goes Splat - Small Dead Animals

John Kerry: The betrayal | The Times of Israel
 

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It seemed inconceivable that the American secretary of state would have drafted an initiative that, as a priority, did not require the dismantling of Hamas's rocket arsenal and network of tunnels dug under the Israeli border. Yet the reported text did not address these issues at all, nor call for the demilitarization of Gaza
Why would it?
 

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That's how long they are given to repair the damage from all the bombs, what doesn't get repaired in that single day doesn't get repaired at all. Just like all the other times. How much more human rights can you get than making sure none of your missiles have actual warheads on the. So things like the Ukraine incident simply cannot happen. At best there would be a small bell like sound inside the tube of the plane.
 

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What if Hamas rocket hit a BA plane?



Richard Littlejohn - Saying It As It Is
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Explain the difference.

Paramilitaries fire a missile which brings down a civilian airliner over Ukraine.

They are widely condemned as murderous gangsters and war criminals who must be hunted down and brought to justice.

Another ruthless gang of paramilitaries fires missiles at a civilian airport in Israel.


Thousands of protesters march through Whitehall in central London to call for an end to Israeli military action in Gaza

They are hailed as heroic ‘resistance fighters’ and receive widespread support in the West.

Let’s just imagine, for a moment, that a rocket fired from Gaza had hit a plane coming in to land at Ben Gurion airport in Tel Aviv.

What if a British Airways jet had been brought down over Israel, with a similar loss of life to the 298 people who perished on Malaysian flight MH17?

Would it still be considered appropriate to hold yet another march through London this weekend, waving banners proclaiming ‘We are all Hamas now’?


At least 17 people climbed on top of this London bus during a protest in London earlier this month

Look, let me make one thing absolutely clear: what’s happening in Gaza is a terrible tragedy, especially the deaths of non-combatants. No one with a shred of humanity can fail to be disturbed by the plight of innocent children caught in the crossfire.

No, what depresses me is the one-sided apportioning of blame, the idea that Israel is the ‘aggressor’ in this conflict.

Everyone says they want an immediate ceasefire. Israel wants a ceasefire. But that will only occur when Hamas stops using Gaza as a launchpad to fire thousands of rockets aimed deliberately at killing Israeli civilians. Hamas has made it clear that isn’t going to happen.

Some people seem to think that because Israel has pretty effective air defences, it should absorb the pain and not retaliate.

Israel shelters behind sophisticated technology. Hamas hides behind women and children, in schools, hospitals and mosques.

Yet, as far as its useful idiots in Britain and Europe are concerned, Israel is the only one guilty of ‘war crimes’, no matter how many precautions it takes to avoid innocent deaths.

Hamas has no regard for human life, on either side. Every death is a propaganda victory, amplified by gullible sympathisers in the Western media.

But there is rarely any condemnation of this cynical campaign of terror, or of its oil-rich sponsors who want to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.

Is Iran going to stop supplying weapons to Hamas? No. Is Qatar going to stop bankrolling terrorism? What do you think?


Causing inconvenience: Crowds lined the main road in Kensington High Street, preventing any vehicles from using the road

So where are the demonstrations against Iran and Qatar? Come to that, where are the marches against Islamist slaughter in Syria and kidnapped schoolgirls in Africa?

Or, for that matter, the mass protests against Russia’s annexation of Crimea or Putin’s sponsorship of terrorism in Ukraine?

Precisely.

The Stop The War crowd are myopically selective in their indignation.

They’ll overlook all manner of atrocities in the Muslim world and in the former Soviet bloc, but become incandescent with fury when Israel exercises its inalienable right to self-defence.

Underlying all this is a nasty streak of anti-Semitism, the unholy alliance between the self-styled ‘liberal’ Left and stone-age Muslim headbangers, which I exposed in a Channel 4 documentary a few years ago.

Fortunately, it hasn’t manifested itself as violently in this country as it has on the Continent, where it is never far from the surface — especially in France.

The Israeli ambassador in Berlin has compared the level of anti-Semitism to 1938.


Despite the traffic jams and large crowds, police said the protest was largely peaceful as a whole

But indiscriminate anti-Jewish sentiment is rising in Britain.

Security has been stepped up at Jewish schools and synagogues.

A shop in Manchester, for instance, is targeted by pro-Hamas demonstrators every day because it sells some goods made in Israel.

Again, though, this is knee-jerk stuff. There’s no consistency.

Protesters call for a boycott of Israel, but they’re not prepared to throw away their mobile phones, laptops and satellite set-top boxes which would be useless without Israeli technology.

They’re like the ‘anti-globalisation’ crowd, kitted out in Nike trainers, sipping skinny lattes from Starbucks and organising riots on iPhones. The absurd contradictions are lost on them.

Most of this is mindless posturing, unthinking exhibitionism, part of the modern curse of everyone living in their own movie.

They all want to be in on the act, complete with fetching intifada scarf as fashion accessory.

There’s no calm analysis, no sober examination of the facts, just an incontinent outpouring of sentiment and emotion.

They can twist anything to suit their warped world view. We’ve even had a sitting Lib Dem MP, David Ward, announcing that he’d be firing rockets if he lived in Gaza.

Perhaps he’d like to do us all a favour and move there.

I keep wondering if we could ever win a conventional war these days.

You can just imagine the ‘We Are All Hamas Now’ crowd in 1944, marching on Downing Street.

Even as the doodlebugs were raining down on London, they’d be screaming that the D-Day invasion was ‘a disproportionate use of force’, wringing their hands over civilian casualties in Berlin and demanding that Churchill was prosecuted for war crimes.

Yet among the gormless rent-a-mob, there are dangerous people who wish not just Israel but all of us serious harm.

They’re the same hardliners who cheered as the planes hit the Twin Towers, who justified the London Transport bombings and want to impose Sharia law in Britain.

Israel is in the frontline of global jihad, but we’re on the list, too.

It’s all very well to lament that Israel is losing the battle for world opinion.

But Israel is fighting a real war, not a propaganda war, one that it can’t afford to lose.

And what if a rocket fired at Ben Gurion airport had hit a British Airways plane, killing all the passengers on board?

Does anyone seriously believe that Hamas would have genuinely regretted the innocent loss of civilian life, despite the widespread support it receives in Britain?

Of course not. We are all infidels now.




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London’s pro-Palestine rally was a disgusting anti-Semitic spectacle

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19 July 2014 16:33
Douglas Murray
The Spectator


Protesters display placards and banners as they take part in a demonstration against Israeli airstrikes in Gaza in central London on July 19, 2014. Image: CARL COURT/AFP/Getty Images)

Thousands of anti-Semites have today succeeded in bringing central London to an almost total standstill.

They marched though the centre of the city before congregating to scream outside the Israeli Embassy in Kensington. It was interesting to watch this rather non-diverse crowd pass. Most of the women seem to be wearing headscarves or the burka, while their men-folk were naturally more appropriately dressed for a sweltering summer day.

But what a picture. These are the people who stayed at home throughout the Syrian civil war, stayed at home when ISIS rampaged across Iraq, stayed at home when Boko Haram and Al-Shabaab carried out their atrocities across central Africa and showed no concern whatsoever when the Muslim Brotherhood was running Egypt into the ground. Yet they pretend to care about Muslims.

And here they all are, coming out to scream because Israel is carrying out the most specific and targeted campaign in the history of warfare in order to stop Hamas – a group dedicated to the annihilation of all Jews – from firing thousands of rockets into the Jewish homeland.


This anti-Semite equates Israel with the Nazis - a shocking comparison for Jews Image: CARL COURT/AFP/Getty Images)

I suppose some of the people in London today might still try to pretend that they don’t hate Jews. Perhaps some of them would not even do what their co-religionists in France did last week when – intent on violence – they blockaded worshippers inside a Synagogue.

But there is only one explanation for their horrible beliefs and actions.

The truest expression of their views was given voice a few years ago by the popular al-Jazeera star and leading cleric (and former Left-wing Mayor of London Ken Livingstone's mate) Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi when he said:
‘Throughout history, Allah has imposed upon the [Jews] people who would punish them for their corruption. The last punishment was carried out by Hitler. By means of all the things he did to them – even though they exaggerated this issue – he managed to put them in their place. This was divine punishment for them. Allah willing, the next time will be at the hands of the believers.’

Yusuf al-Qaradawi Praises Hitler and the Holocaust - YouTube
Sheikh Qaradawi himself is no longer lauded by a Mayor of London, but his disciples flooded the city’s streets today. What a disgusting sight to see in our capital.


London's pro-Palestine rally was a disgusting anti-Semitic spectacle » Spectator Blogs

 
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Hamas used children to help them dig numerous tunnels into Israel and Egypt, a 2012 paper written for the Journal of Palestine Studies reported.
The paper, titled Gaza's Tunnel Phenomenon: The Unintended Dynamics of Israel's Siege says that little had been done to stop the phenomenon of child labor during the digging of the tunnels by Hamas in Gaza.

In December 2011, the paper's author Nicolas Pelham accompanied a police patrol in Gaza and reported that "nothing was done to impede the use of children in the tunnels, where, much as in Victorian coal mines, they are prized for their nimble bodies."


He continued and said that "at least 160 children have been killed in the tunnels, according to Hamas officials."
Since the beginning of Operation Protective Edge 21 days ago, IDF forces have uncovered 31 tunnels leading into Israel.
More than 1,000 Palestinians, mainly women and children, have been killed during the offensive.



'At least 160 children died digging tunnels for Hamas' | JPost | Israel News
 

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Hamas used children to help them dig numerous tunnels into Israel and Egypt, a 2012 paper written for the Journal of Palestine Studies reported.
The paper, titled Gaza's Tunnel Phenomenon: The Unintended Dynamics of Israel's Siege says that little had been done to stop the phenomenon of child labor during the digging of the tunnels by Hamas in Gaza.

In December 2011, the paper's author Nicolas Pelham accompanied a police patrol in Gaza and reported that "nothing was done to impede the use of children in the tunnels, where, much as in Victorian coal mines, they are prized for their nimble bodies."


He continued and said that "at least 160 children have been killed in the tunnels, according to Hamas officials."
Since the beginning of Operation Protective Edge 21 days ago, IDF forces have uncovered 31 tunnels leading into Israel.
More than 1,000 Palestinians, mainly women and children, have been killed during the offensive.



'At least 160 children died digging tunnels for Hamas' | JPost | Israel News

So much for Hamas concern over the children, huh??

Anyway, more on tunnels:

Jeffrey Goldberg: Destroying Hamas’s kidnapping tunnels only way to protect Israelis | National Post
 

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Piss poor track record. I wonder why it isn't working?
Elections in Gaza and the US seem to be on a similar path. Is the leadership quality going downhill in a lot more places than just those two places while Venezuela and Russia and Syria seem to be doing quite well by keeping an intelligent leader in power as long as possible. If keeping the US out was a national goal then Castro is ahead of everybody by a long margin.
 

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Every time Israel has dismantled a terror org another always rises. And each was worse than their predecessor.

Israel doesn't have a corner on the bearing of grudges market on that corner of the world. None of them will give up the hatred because none of them knows from where it comes.


Besides... someone's making fortunes on it....
 

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Oh THAT idiot!!

Don't worry Noam, you're making money off the arms sales.

The World's Greatest Hypocrite!!!

NOAM CHOMSKY: Do as I say not as I do.

The Israeli Soviets are safe and sound under the Irony Curtain err Dome to keep eyes off Russia attacking Ukraine as they try to cover up terrorism.

F-ck the Neo-Bolsheviks!

Really??

REALLY??

You should have that Ukranian Jew-hater mode removed surgically.

You are beginning to look quite the fool.
 

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Did Israel Go Too Far? The Massacre at the UN School and Refugee Center | NationofChange

CBS explains that the Israeli military contacted the U.N. and told them that the compound would be attacked by Israel. The U.N. replied that they would need time to move the large number of refugees sheltering there. They tried to cooperate. They never heard back from the Israeli army, and then Israeli tanks opened fire. It is outrageous that Israeli media spokesmen attempted to assert or imply that the school was hit by Hamas rockets. They were lying pure and simple. Because the Israeli generals had already told the U.N. that they were going to shell the school!

Chris Hedges speech about Gaza - YouTube
 

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Did Israel Go Too Far? The Massacre at the UN School and Refugee Center | NationofChange

CBS explains that the Israeli military contacted the U.N. and told them that the compound would be attacked by Israel. The U.N. replied that they would need time to move the large number of refugees sheltering there. They tried to cooperate. They never heard back from the Israeli army, and then Israeli tanks opened fire. It is outrageous that Israeli media spokesmen attempted to assert or imply that the school was hit by Hamas rockets. They were lying pure and simple. Because the Israeli generals had already told the U.N. that they were going to shell the school!

Chris Hedges speech about Gaza - YouTube

Absolute, unmitigated, idiotic garbage.

Idiotic.

Just plain stupid.

Garbage.

STOP ATTACKING ISRAEL and you will be left in peace.

Chris Hedges is an idiot.

THIS IS WHY GAZAN KIDS WANT TO BE A MARTYR:

Hamas kids' TV glorifies Martyrdom death of TV hero Assud - YouTube


 
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