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Where did it all start? Prior to 1945 there was no such a thing as Israel. Then at the end of WWII the west decided to settle the jews anywhere else but in Europe and Ibn Saud king of Saudi Arabia responded:

Desert King, P. 206 by David A. Howart
ON THE CREATION OF THE ISRAELI STATE AND ANNEXATION OF PALESTINE
On Palestine, Roosevelt made no impression at all. He told Ibn Saud of the horrors the Central European Jews suffered from the Germans, and asked him how he would suggest the survivors should be rehabilitated; and Ibn Saud, with Bedouin directness, proposed that the Jews should be given the choicest parts of Germany. When Roosevelt ventured to mention Palestine, Ibn Saud was adamant. Amends for a crime, he said, should be made by the criminal, not by the innocent bystanders; the Arabs had never injured the European Jews; it was the Germans who had taken their homes and lives, and it was the Germans who should pay. Roosevelt returned again and again to the point, until Ibn Saud grew impatient and said he was only an ignorant Bedouin who could not understand the President’s solicitude for Germans. Bedouin were kinder to friends then their enemies. Palestine, he added, was one of the smallest of the countries on the Allied side, and one of the poorest in land, and already had more than its share of refugees.

Yeah, because you know, the Jews did so well in Europe over the past 1500 years.

(insert rolled eyes here)
 

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So dearest Kathy a few questions for one of such intellect. They all revolve around Genocide.

Tamil Tigers
The Liberals turned a blind eye to their terror tactics

The Conservatives listed then as a Terror group
What is your position?

Turkish Genocide - Were the Liberals & Conservative wrong to condemn this?
Turkey wants end to Canada's genocide stance - World - CBC News
Turkey wants end to Canada's stance on Armenian genocide | CTV News

Conservatives passed a law condemning the Ukrainian Genocide- Agree- Disagree

Ukrainian Famine and Genocide (?Holodomor?) Memorial Day Act

Conservative condemned Sri Lanka Human Rights violations regarding Tamils. Agree- Disagree.
Sri Lanka accuses Canadian government of ‘placating’ Tamil Tigers as row over Commonwealth summit grows | National Post
Prime Minister Harper has said he would not attend due to the lack of accountability for alleged war crimes committed during the final phase of the separatist conflict, as well as evidence of ongoing human rights abuses.
Yoo Hoo Kathy?????????????
 

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Opps. Thank you


On the other side of the coin it helps when parents use the common spelling of a name when naming their kids, I kind of cringe every time I see a name like Sheilaugh or Leagh- how cruel can you be to a child?
 

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On the other side of the coin it helps when parents use the common spelling of a name when naming their kids, I kind of cringe every time I see a name like Sheilaugh or Leagh- how cruel can you be to a child?

Hate to tell ya this but your handle is missing a few vowels......:smile:
 

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On the other side of the coin it helps when parents use the common spelling of a name when naming their kids, I kind of cringe every time I see a name like Sheilaugh or Leagh- how cruel can you be to a child?
the people who matter learn it.
 

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Yeah, because you know, the Jews did so well in Europe over the past 1500 years.

(insert rolled eyes here)

The did better than the Germans they lived with and the Russians they lived with and the Hungarians they lived with and the Poles and the Romanians and the Ukrainians and now they do far better than the Palestinians they live with. Your rolling eyes can't change history.

Here you go Colpy this Syrian in talking to you.

Geneva II – Syrian Foreign Minister: “The West Publicly Claims to Be Fighting Terrorism, Whilst It Is Covertly Nourishing It.” By Global Research News, January 22, 2014


It is regrettable that seated amongst us today in this room, are representatives of countries that have the blood of Syrians on their hands, countries that have exported terrorism along with clemency for the perpetrators…


Geneva II – Syrian Foreign Minister: “The West Publicly Claims to Be Fighting Terrorism, Whilst It Is Covertly Nourishing It.”

n Syria, Ladies and Gentlemen, the wombs of pregnant women are butchered and their foetuses killed; women are raped, dead or alive, in practices so heinous, so vile and repulsive that they can only be attributed to their perverse doctrine. In Syria, Ladies and Gentlemen, men are slaughtered in front of their children in the name of this revolution; worse still, this is done whilst the children of these foreign perpetrators sing and dance. In Syria, how can so-called revolutionaries cannibalize a man’s heart and claim to promote freedom, democracy and a better life? Under the pretext of the “Great Syrian Revolution,” civilians, clergymen, women and children are killed, victims are indiscriminately blown up in streets and buildings regardless of their political views or ideologies; books and libraries are burned, graves are dug up and artifacts stolen. In the name of the revolution, children are killed in their schools and students in their universities, women are extorted in the name of jihad al-nikah and other forms, mosques are shelled whilst worshipers kneel at prayer, heads are severed and hung in the streets, people are burned alive in a true holocaust that history and many countries will deny without being accused of anti-Semitism.
In the name of a revolution, “to free the oppressed Syrian people from the regime and to spread democracy,” does a father blow himself up with his wife and children to prevent foreign intruders from entering his home? Most of us in this room are fathers – I ask you then, what would compel a man to kill his own family to protect them from freedom fighting monsters. This is what happened in Adra, a place that most of you have not heard of but where the same alien monsters attacked: killing, looting, beheading, slaughtering, raping and burning people alive. You have heard nothing of this brutality for sure, yet you have heard of other places where the same heinous crimes were committed and where the same blood soaked finger was pointed at the Syrian Army and government. And when these flagrant lies were no longer credible, they stopped spinning their web of deceit.
 

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the people who matter learn it.


That's fine but it doesn't work that way. I have a surname that is spelt nothing like it sounds, so every time I encounter a stranger I have to spell it. A fair percentage probably 20% or more when they see it written mispronounce it. -:)
 

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That's fine but it doesn't work that way. I have a surname that is spelt nothing like it sounds, so every time I encounter a stranger I have to spell it. A fair percentage probably 20% or more when they see it written mispronounce it. -:)
I have the same problem. My surname that begins with woff. People always pronounce it woof or wolf. When they see it spelled out they still pronounce it wrong. I'm British Canadian but most people think my name is German. I tell them, if it is of German origin it may be that when the monarchy was brought over from Germany a few hundred years ago, we were probably kitchen help.
 

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That's fine but it doesn't work that way. I have a surname that is spelt nothing like it sounds, so every time I encounter a stranger I have to spell it. A fair percentage probably 20% or more when they see it written mispronounce it. -:)


And? Does it crush your soul?
 

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And? Does it crush your soul?


Noooooooooooooooooooope. It's just that I understand the hassle of having to spell it out every time and can see with a Christian name there is the common spelling available to all new parents, but it is a free country. -:)
 

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I don't see the point, really. The whole region is a mess. As for the the Palestianss and the Israelis, they are completely and utterly in a situation of their own devising. This low-level war suits both, as much as they moan about it. For the Israelis, it provides the justification and social licence they require to occupy Gaza and the West Bank. For the Palestinian leaders, they have a bogeyman to detract people from their incompetence and corruption.

Myself, If I was PM, I'd just stay as far away from that as a I possibly could. But if I was going to back anyone, it would be Israel--a democratic, free state. Plus you gotta love the Jews. Thery're funny, artistic, smart and, as Colpy said , liberal. :lol: And who knows, maybe now they'll stop issuing Mossad assassins Canaidan passports.
 

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Nice article on Chretiens visit to Israel

Chris Selley on Canadian politicians going to Israel: Our glory days as ‘honest broker’ | National Post

Stephen Harper’s visit to Israel, and his effusively pro-Israeli rhetoric there, has reinvigorated one of the standard criticisms against him — that he has forsaken Canada’s “honest broker” role in Middle Eastern affairs for a doggie bed at the foot of Benjamin Netanyahu’s favourite armchair.

Jean Chrétien, among many other critics, pops up every now and again with such complaints. “I’m travelling the world. The image of Canada today is not what it was,” he recently told Global News. When Justin Trudeau becomes prime minister, Mr. Trudeau predicted he would “want Canada to be what we were in the world under Pearson, under his father and under myself.”

Mr. Chrétien was basking in plaudits on Tuesday in Toronto, where scores of variously partisan worthies gathered to sing his praises on the occasion of his 80th birthday. In light of Mr. Harper’s divisive trip, it might also be a good time to reflect on Mr. Chrétien’s own visit to Israel in 2000 — back in the glory days of Canadian diplomacy.

Day One: Mr. Chrétien meets with Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak in West Jerusalem, but doesn’t visit Arab East Jerusalem. The Palestinian Liberation Organization is not pleased; a spokesperson calls it “an insult to the peace process.” Mr. Chrétien’s lighthearted response, at a news conference, is to say: “I don’t know if I am in West, South, North or East Jerusalem now.”


Day Two: With Mr. Barak jetting off to Washington to talk peace with President Clinton, Mr. Chrétien goes off-script at a joint news conference with Yasser Arafat and says Canada might support a unilateral declaration of independence by the Palestinians. “I believe, personally, it is better to keep it as a pressure point for the negotiations and that is the position of Canada,” he says.

Nonplussed Israeli officials respond that Mr. Chrétien is welcome to his “inaccurate” opinion, even though such an idea would jeopardize the peace process. At some point, Mr. Chrétien realizes his position is spectacularly misguided in light of Quebec’s sovereignty movement and his government’s soon-to-be-passed Clarity Act. His communications director is eventually reduced to explaining to reporters that whatever Mr. Chrétien said, that was not what he meant.


Day Three: At a news conference in Nazareth with Shimon Peres, Mr. Chrétien endorses Israel’s claim to the Sea of Galilee — a sticking point in peace negotiations between Israel and Syria, where Mr. Chrétien was due to travel on the same trip. His statesmanlike reasoning follows: “Apparently there was a border that was occupied a long time ago and there was war and so on. For a Canadian, we have 30 million lakes so we don’t see it in the same perspective but I can understand the need for Israel to keep the only lake they got.”

Day Four: Reports say Mr. Chrétien, in conversation with Mr. Barak, has offered to resettle as many as 15,000 Palestinian refugees in Canada. Jaws drop, as Canada had been officially neutral on refugee issues such as the right of return. Liberal staffers frantically try to spin the conversation out of existence, while the PLO politely tells Mr. Chrétien where he can stick his offer


Day Five: Having managed to anger the Palestinians somewhat more than the Israelis, Mr. Chrétien is accused by a Syrian cabinet minister and a Lebanese newspaper of — of all things — abandoning Canada’s “honest broker” tradition. Nevertheless, his visit to Damascus goes ahead as planned.
 

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I don't see the point, really. The whole region is a mess. As for the the Palestianss and the Israelis, they are completely and utterly in a situation of their own devising. This low-level war suits both, as much as they moan about it. For the Israelis, it provides the justification and social licence they require to occupy Gaza and the West Bank. For the Palestinian leaders, they have a bogeyman to detract people from their incompetence and corruption.

Myself, If I was PM, I'd just stay as far away from that as a I possibly could. But if I was going to back anyone, it would be Israel--a democratic, free state. Plus you gotta love the Jews. Thery're funny, artistic, smart and, as Colpy said , liberal. :lol: And who knows, maybe now they'll stop issuing Mossad assassins Canaidan passports.

You are backing Israelm you weren't asked, didn't you hear Mr Prime Suckwhole Harper? We do gotta love Jews but we don't gotta love the blood gutter Israel.


^ Jan 24 11:49

Letter writers express anger, shame towards Harper, Baird on Palestine


The Harper government was flooded with angry letters from Canadians after it opposed the Palestinian bid for statehood at the United Nations, newly disclosed documents show.
More than 1,000 letters arrived over several weeks in late 2012 and early 2013 at the offices of Prime Minister Stephen Harper, Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird and several other Conservative MPs, the vast majority of them complaining that the government was not representing the balanced and fair-minded views of Canadian citizens on the divisive Middle East issue.
More than 80 per cent of the correspondence expressed clear opposition to the Conservative government's own vocal attempts to block the Palestinian bid for greater recognition at the UN.
 

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You are backing Israelm you weren't asked, didn't you hear Mr Prime Suckwhole Harper? We do gotta love Jews but we don't gotta love the blood gutter Israel.

I wouldn't say I'm backing Israel. I said if I were PM I'd stay as far away from that mess as I possibly could. Harper said a bunch of nice words to Israel. Didn't really cost a lot. Probably pissed off a bunch of Muslims, but they were pissed to start with.