Gun Control is Completely Useless.
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In Canada, calls to ban “military-style” (?) weapons started in the immediate aftermath of the Polytechnique massacre on December 6, 1989 — almost 35 years ago.
Ottawa launched the buyback program in 2020 shortly after the mass shooting in Portapique, Nova Scotia, which left 22 people dead…with weapons smuggled in from another country, not purchased in Canada.
The government started by banning 1,500 types of firearms that year, with the promise to buy them back. Four years later, however, the buyback program still hasn't started.
(the federal liberal government has not explained how they plan on collecting the firearms that they banned four years ago in 2020 yet either)
And Ottawa still hasn't told gun owners how much money they'll collect in compensation for their surrendered firearms. That price list won't be made public until the fall, when the government is set to begin buying back banned guns from companies that still have them in their inventories. The buyback program for individuals isn't expected to launch until the spring of 2025, & the next federal election is, at the very latest, on October 20th (or maybe the more Liberal/NDP pension friendly date of October 27th) 2025.
Many gun owners say they hope Pierre Poilievre's Conservatives form the next government and cancel the program.
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"I think it will be a dismal failure, if it ever happens at all," said Tony Bernardo of the Canadian Shooting Sports Federation. "The Liberals have demonstrated, in the last four years, zero capacity to pull this off."
Wes Winkel, president of the Canadian Sporting Arms and Ammunition Association (CSAAA), said the level of trust between gun owners and the federal government "couldn't be at a lower spot."
The federal Liberal government now hopes to work with the RCMP and police forces in Ontario and Quebec to implement the project.
Ottawa launched the buyback program in 2020 shortly after the mass shooting in Portapique, Nova Scotia, which left 22 people dead…with weapons smuggled in from another country, not purchased in Canada.
The government started by banning 1,500 types of firearms that year, with the promise to buy them back. Four years later, however, the buyback program still hasn't started.
(the federal liberal government has not explained how they plan on collecting the firearms that they banned four years ago in 2020 yet either)
And Ottawa still hasn't told gun owners how much money they'll collect in compensation for their surrendered firearms. That price list won't be made public until the fall, when the government is set to begin buying back banned guns from companies that still have them in their inventories. The buyback program for individuals isn't expected to launch until the spring of 2025, & the next federal election is, at the very latest, on October 20th (or maybe the more Liberal/NDP pension friendly date of October 27th) 2025.
Many gun owners say they hope Pierre Poilievre's Conservatives form the next government and cancel the program.
Canada tried to copy New Zealand's gun buyback program — what went wrong? — CBC News
The Canadian government sought to follow New Zealand's lead in 2020 when it launched a program to force gun owners to surrender military-style firearms. But while New Zealand acted quickly in 2019, Ottawa is still struggling to implement its own plan.
Wes Winkel, president of the Canadian Sporting Arms and Ammunition Association (CSAAA), said the level of trust between gun owners and the federal government "couldn't be at a lower spot."
The federal Liberal government now hopes to work with the RCMP and police forces in Ontario and Quebec to implement the project.
'The prime minister is out of touch:' Justin Trudeau's handgun ban is not working, police union charges — Toronto Star
Two years after the Trudeau government banned the sale of handguns in Canada, police unions across the country say Ottawa's gun control efforts have fallen short.
It's the latest blow to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's gun control reforms, a sweeping set of changes the Liberal government set out to make following a 2020 Nova Scotia massacre and years of pressure from advocates.
The main prongs of that agenda — the ban of more than 1,500 assault-style weapons in 2020 with a buyback program that has yet to materialize and a national freeze on the sale of handguns in 2022 — have faced escalating criticism over their ballooning costs, rollout and effectiveness.
Most of the controversy has centred around the assault-style ban and buyback program which was originally promised in the 2019 election but is now not expected to conclude until the fall of 2025. It has cost $67 million and advocates fear it won't be complete before the next federal election that could see a Conservative party keen to scrap the program take power.
But after Trudeau took to social media to celebrate the two-year anniversary of the handgun sales freeze last week, police unions from across the country said the handgun ban, the other key prong of the reforms, has not had its desired outcome.
(The Toronto Police Association said it has seen a 45 per cent increase in shootings and a 62 per cent increase in gun-related homicides compared to this time last year)
"The prime minister is out of touch," Campbell said. "It's disrespectful to Toronto residents."
At issue is that most guns used in shootings are illegally smuggled from the United States — 85 per cent in the case of Toronto police, according to Campbell — so taking handguns away from regular citizens may not impact gun violence, the unions charge.
"There's probably, at least, from a front-line policing perspective, other areas where investments could be made that would make a bigger difference," Tom Stamatakis, the president of the Canadian Police Association, said in an interview.
He said the main tool should be increased investment in border control to crack down on smuggling, but also suggested further bail reform and harsher sentences for gun violence. Rest at link…
Only a moron would think that taking away guns from people who follow the law would suppress illegal gun violence.
Colpy was spot on.
Completely useless.
Colpy was spot on.
Completely useless.
As police unions pillory federal gun bans for doing nothing to address skyrocketing gun crime, an Ontario police department revealed this week that virtually all its crime guns are now illegal imports from the United States. Oh well…
“Approximately 90 per cent of (the) firearms that we seize are directly traced back to the U.S. And I can say in reality the remaining 10 per cent are likely also from the U.S.,” Peel Regional Police Chief Nishan Duraiappah said at a Monday press conference. The 10 per cent referred to guns that have been modified or had their serial numbers removed, making them harder to trace.
The Peel Regional Police cover an area immediately to the west of Toronto that includes Mississauga and Brampton. Duraiappah said that only 10 years ago, if a criminal in the Peel Region wanted an illegal gun, “it was doable, but it required a lot of work.”
Now, Peel Police are seizing an illegal gun about once every 30 hours — an 87 per cent increase over the year prior. Illegal guns are now so ubiquitous that they often show up in unrelated investigations, such as an impaired driver having one in his glove compartment. Oh well…
York Regional Police, who cover an area to the east of Toronto, reported in August that shootings were up 92 per cent as compared to the year before.
Last week, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau put out a social media statement marking the second anniversary of the “handgun freeze,” a sweeping federal crackdown on the legal ownership of pistols. Good times.
In Canada, handguns have long been classified as “restricted firearms,” a category subject to far stricter ownership requirements than “non-restricted” firearms such as rifles and shotguns. For one, a restricted firearm can only legally exist in one of three places: Locked up at home, at a licensed gun range, or being transported between those two places.
The October 2022 “handgun freeze” toughened the measures even further by immediately banning the “sale, purchase, and transfer” of handguns.
“We choose your safety over the gun lobby — every time,” Trudeau said in a statement posted to X.com last week.
The post spurred open condemnation from two major police unions, both of whom accused Trudeau of trumpeting a policy that had little to no effect on gun crime.
“Our communities are experiencing a 45 per cent increase in shootings and a 62 per cent increase in gun-related homicides compared to this time last year,” wrote the Toronto Police Association in a response on X. “What difference does your handgun ban make when 85 per cent of guns seized by our members can be sourced to the United States?”
They were soon joined by the Surrey Police Union, whose members work in the particularly high crime municipality of Surrey, B.C. “The federal handgun freeze fails to address the real issue: the surge of illegal firearms coming across our borders and ending up in the hands of violent criminals,” they wrote.
In addition to the spiking numbers of illegal guns making their way over the border, Statistics Canada recently published numbers showing that legal gun owners represented a small proportion of those using firearms illegally. In their analysis of 2022 gun crime data, the agency wrote that “the firearms used in homicides were rarely legal firearms used by their legal owners who were in good standing.”
Monday’s Peel Regional Police press conference also touched on another longstanding point of contention between police and the Trudeau government: The ease with which violent, recidivist criminals are given bail or early release.
“Something is fundamentally wrong … when we keep putting citizens and police officers in harm’s way because of bail, the revolving system of justice,” Nando Iannicca, chair of the Peel Police Service Board, said in response to a reporter’s question.
He added, “half the people that we pick up for a crime are known to us and have done another crime or are on bail.” Oh well…
FIRST READING: As Trudeau touts handgun ban, police say it's doing nothing — National Post
Maybe even worse than nothing, since gun crime has gotten markedly worse
Gee whiz Andy , I wonder who they are confiscating all those guns from ? The 6 million immigrant question .As police unions pillory federal gun bans for doing nothing to address skyrocketing gun crime, an Ontario police department revealed this week that virtually all its crime guns are now illegal imports from the United States. Oh well…
“Approximately 90 per cent of (the) firearms that we seize are directly traced back to the U.S. And I can say in reality the remaining 10 per cent are likely also from the U.S.,” Peel Regional Police Chief Nishan Duraiappah said at a Monday press conference. The 10 per cent referred to guns that have been modified or had their serial numbers removed, making them harder to trace.
The Peel Regional Police cover an area immediately to the west of Toronto that includes Mississauga and Brampton. Duraiappah said that only 10 years ago, if a criminal in the Peel Region wanted an illegal gun, “it was doable, but it required a lot of work.”
Now, Peel Police are seizing an illegal gun about once every 30 hours — an 87 per cent increase over the year prior. Illegal guns are now so ubiquitous that they often show up in unrelated investigations, such as an impaired driver having one in his glove compartment. Oh well…
York Regional Police, who cover an area to the east of Toronto, reported in August that shootings were up 92 per cent as compared to the year before.
Last week, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau put out a social media statement marking the second anniversary of the “handgun freeze,” a sweeping federal crackdown on the legal ownership of pistols. Good times.
In Canada, handguns have long been classified as “restricted firearms,” a category subject to far stricter ownership requirements than “non-restricted” firearms such as rifles and shotguns. For one, a restricted firearm can only legally exist in one of three places: Locked up at home, at a licensed gun range, or being transported between those two places.
The October 2022 “handgun freeze” toughened the measures even further by immediately banning the “sale, purchase, and transfer” of handguns.
“We choose your safety over the gun lobby — every time,” Trudeau said in a statement posted to X.com last week.
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The post spurred open condemnation from two major police unions, both of whom accused Trudeau of trumpeting a policy that had little to no effect on gun crime.
“Our communities are experiencing a 45 per cent increase in shootings and a 62 per cent increase in gun-related homicides compared to this time last year,” wrote the Toronto Police Association in a response on X. “What difference does your handgun ban make when 85 per cent of guns seized by our members can be sourced to the United States?”
They were soon joined by the Surrey Police Union, whose members work in the particularly high crime municipality of Surrey, B.C. “The federal handgun freeze fails to address the real issue: the surge of illegal firearms coming across our borders and ending up in the hands of violent criminals,” they wrote.
In addition to the spiking numbers of illegal guns making their way over the border, Statistics Canada recently published numbers showing that legal gun owners represented a small proportion of those using firearms illegally. In their analysis of 2022 gun crime data, the agency wrote that “the firearms used in homicides were rarely legal firearms used by their legal owners who were in good standing.”
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Monday’s Peel Regional Police press conference also touched on another longstanding point of contention between police and the Trudeau government: The ease with which violent, recidivist criminals are given bail or early release.
“Something is fundamentally wrong … when we keep putting citizens and police officers in harm’s way because of bail, the revolving system of justice,” Nando Iannicca, chair of the Peel Police Service Board, said in response to a reporter’s question.
He added, “half the people that we pick up for a crime are known to us and have done another crime or are on bail.” Oh well…
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau admitted Thursday the government did not get the balance right….oh wait…that’s on a different Liberal policy. Oh well…
FIRST READING: As Trudeau touts handgun ban, police say it's doing nothing — National Post
Maybe even worse than nothing, since gun crime has gotten markedly worse
In my neighborhood violent crime is 71% above the NAT. AVG.
Guess what? I rarely hear guns.
Guess what? I rarely hear guns.
I too rarely hear guns in my neighborhood. Once or twice a month…& I live a two minute drive away from the police station. I’m thinking zero times per month would be a more acceptable figure….but….
Because they are using those awful assault knives.
The only time I hear gunfire is when someone is hunting in the property behind mine or the guys across the road are having their target day.
We should lobby to unban handguns and get some bulletproof stand-your-ground laws passed.
In the Philippines, if someone breaks into your house and you kill them, fair game, no charges, no seizure.
They send a cop to look, "Body not moved. Inside a residence." Then they call a meat wagon.
In the Philippines, if someone breaks into your house and you kill them, fair game, no charges, no seizure.
They send a cop to look, "Body not moved. Inside a residence." Then they call a meat wagon.
But it's SUCH a pain in the ass dragging the meat into your house! And cleaning the rug! That shit don't come cheap, yo.
On Thursday, the eve of the anniversary of the École Polytechnique massacre in 1989, the federal government announced it was banning scores of new kinds of firearms. The government did not immediately have available for media a list of those firearms. And at first blush this might seem like an almost impossibly basic failure, even for this twitching, lurching zombie of a government.
As with most anniversaries, this one happens on the same day every year. The Liberals always co-opt it as a gun-control wedge issue, and often use it to unveil new legislation or regulations. How many hours in advance did they decide to do it this year, to have been so unprepared? Six? One and a half?
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But I can almost see this gang being surprised at the question, because of course these announcements are never really about the guns themselves. Canada’s list of banned firearms includes “the AR15.Com ARFCOM” and “the AR15.Com AR15.Com.”
AR15.com is a website, not a gun, no matter how many times in a row you say it.
ARFCOM is also not a gun, but rather a nickname given said website by its users. That’s how seriously this government takes gun control, even as the vast majority of weapons involved in crime flow unmolested across the American border.
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December 6 is an opportunity for Liberals to appeal to people who think all guns should be banned, or at least all guns that look to city folk like “assault weapons.” Tagging it down the road without actually collecting a singe firearm, for the next government to deal with it one way or the other…
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…And this year’s gambit is even more cynical than average. A mandatory buyback program is in a “pilot project” stage for distributors and retailers, but won’t kick in for individual gun owners until October 2025 — which is, not at all coincidentally, the latest-possible date of the next federal election (at least under the current fixed-election-date law).
The list isn’t about the list. It never is. It’s about creating a wedge issue, hoping some Conservative MP will be crazy enough actually to stand up for gun-owners’ rights — at which point, the Liberals imagine, Canadians will swoon en masse in shock and abandon any hopes of changing governments. Vote Liberal or you’ll get shot, basically.
That’s not even close to the most cynical part, though. The Liberals really have outdone themselves this year. Public Safety Minister Dominic LeBlanc says they’re looking at sending guns bought back from retailers and distributors — and presumably, eventually, from individuals — to Ukraine, to help its brave soldiers fend off the Russian menace?
We are to believe that after nine years of Liberal governance it is legal to sell and own useful weapons of war in Canada. That doesn’t just seem unlikely: The standard-issue rifle for the Ukrainian army is the AK-74, which has long been prohibited in Canada.
It should also sound to the city folk the Liberals are courting like a colossal failure of gun control.
But I’m sure the idea earned whoever came up with it many high-fives around the strategy table. Not only will they lure Conservatives into supporting gun-owners’ rights, they’ll lure them into revealing their sympathies for Russia. Vote Liberal or vote for Putin, basically. It almost certainly won’t move the needle; polls suggest Canadians don’t even want free money from the Liberals anymore. And the party will find itself in an even deeper pit of ignominy.
Thursday’s order-in-council added 324 new firearms to the government’s list of prohibited weapons, but with an amnesty period that’ll outlive the current government by well over a week, licenced firearms owners are now content to sit and wait.
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The amnesty period for Thursday’s new prohibitions will expire on Oct. 30, 2025 — 10 days after the deadline for Canada’s next federal election, one that poll numbers and cratering government support suggest the Trudeau Liberals will handily lose.
“The government has not worked with gun owners or made sincere effort to bring them on board, even though they are the main stakeholders.”
Gary Mauser, professor emeritus at Simon Fraser University and senior fellow at the Fraser Institute, agreed.
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“Gun owners know the current amnesty period hasn’t changed so they don’t worry about police raiding their homes to collect the newly-banned possessions that they purchased and use legally,” he said.
“They know that the Liberals are still trying to figure out how to collect the hundreds of thousands of guns they’ve already banned — the police won’t do it unless they get a massive increase in their budget. Canada Post simply isn’t able to do it;, their substations aren’t secure enough, nor are their employees adequately trained or even bonded.”
As with most anniversaries, this one happens on the same day every year. The Liberals always co-opt it as a gun-control wedge issue, and often use it to unveil new legislation or regulations. How many hours in advance did they decide to do it this year, to have been so unprepared? Six? One and a half?
Chris Selley: Liberals reach a brand-new low on gun control — National Post
The pitch boils down to, 'vote for us or you'll get shot and Putin will win'
AR15.com is a website, not a gun, no matter how many times in a row you say it.
ARFCOM is also not a gun, but rather a nickname given said website by its users. That’s how seriously this government takes gun control, even as the vast majority of weapons involved in crime flow unmolested across the American border.
Trudeau government adds hundreds more assault-style weapons to its gun ban — Toronto Star
The measures come on the eve of the 35th anniversary of the killing of 14 women at Montreal's École Polytechnique, one of the largest mass shootings in Canadian history.
Trudeau government's new gun measures draw mixed reaction, as parties remember those killed in Montreal massacre — Toronto Star
The new measures would add 324 additional makes and models of "assault-style" weapons, and their variants, to its list of prohibited firearms.
That’s not even close to the most cynical part, though. The Liberals really have outdone themselves this year. Public Safety Minister Dominic LeBlanc says they’re looking at sending guns bought back from retailers and distributors — and presumably, eventually, from individuals — to Ukraine, to help its brave soldiers fend off the Russian menace?
We are to believe that after nine years of Liberal governance it is legal to sell and own useful weapons of war in Canada. That doesn’t just seem unlikely: The standard-issue rifle for the Ukrainian army is the AK-74, which has long been prohibited in Canada.
It should also sound to the city folk the Liberals are courting like a colossal failure of gun control.
But I’m sure the idea earned whoever came up with it many high-fives around the strategy table. Not only will they lure Conservatives into supporting gun-owners’ rights, they’ll lure them into revealing their sympathies for Russia. Vote Liberal or vote for Putin, basically. It almost certainly won’t move the needle; polls suggest Canadians don’t even want free money from the Liberals anymore. And the party will find itself in an even deeper pit of ignominy.
Thursday’s order-in-council added 324 new firearms to the government’s list of prohibited weapons, but with an amnesty period that’ll outlive the current government by well over a week, licenced firearms owners are now content to sit and wait.
Latest Liberal gun policies spark cynicism, amusement in firearm community — Toronto Sun
Many gun owners planning on turning over their firearms now sitting put until the next federal election, said one policy expert
“The government has not worked with gun owners or made sincere effort to bring them on board, even though they are the main stakeholders.”
Gary Mauser, professor emeritus at Simon Fraser University and senior fellow at the Fraser Institute, agreed.
Hundreds more banned guns to force Liberals to break up 'buyback' into gradual phases — National Post
With the Liberals on Thursday adding so many new models to the list, retailers and distributors with those models will have to wait longer
“They know that the Liberals are still trying to figure out how to collect the hundreds of thousands of guns they’ve already banned — the police won’t do it unless they get a massive increase in their budget. Canada Post simply isn’t able to do it;, their substations aren’t secure enough, nor are their employees adequately trained or even bonded.”
Banning scores of firearms that aren't illegal or smuggled.
Fucking idiots.
Fucking idiots.