Gun Control is Completely Useless.

JamesBondo

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Bluebyrd, not even Canada's safe storage guidelines will protect children from that level of poor parenting. Atleast you hidden agenda to take away all guns has shown itself again. Thanks for sharing how you feel.
 

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Bluebyrd, not even Canada's safe storage guidelines will protect children from that level of poor parenting. Atleast you hidden agenda to take away all guns has shown itself again. Thanks for sharing how you feel.
Well, I'm not sure it's a "hidden" agenda. Maybe more of an "agenda standing off to the side trying not to be obtrusive. . . yet."
 

bluebyrd35

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Have you forgotten that the system that you are so desparate to change is enjoying some 30 year lows in crime stats? And, this is happening in tandem to record firearms sales.


!The death rate of children drowned in residential swimming pools is 14 times greater. If you were serious about saving the lives of children, why don't you have Walmart take their swimming pools off the shelves? Owning your own swimming pool is not a right. if law abiding abiding citizen wants to swim, they should go to a beach or a community swimming pool.
For Pete's sake, since the US is NOT my country, I could care less, if you or anyone else thinks things are greatly improved over the years re gun homicides or violence. What I do care about is that Canada does not adopt their gun policies.

OECD homicide rates chart - Business Insider

Take a look at how they stand out of 34 developed countries in the world. Now at least they are lower than Mexico, turkey and Estonia!! Get real people. Now at 3.55 gun fatalities per 100,000 people and the US population in 2014 in July was 318,881,992, it seems that total swimming pool deaths do not come anywhere near those of guns, since all drownings were 202 for the year., not per 100,000 people. Just a couple more little bits of info, for those under 5 months, the majority of the drowning were in bathtubs, and 80% of all drownings were males.
 
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For Pete's sake, since the US is NOT my country, I could care less, if you or anyone else thinks things are greatly improved over the years re gun homicides or violence. What I do care about is that Canada does not adopt their gun policies.

OECD homicide rates chart - Business Insider

Take a look at how they stand out of 34 developed countries in the world. Now at least they are lower than Mexico, turkey and Estonia!! Get real people. Now at 3.55 gun fatalities per 100,000 people and the US population in 2014 in July was 318,881,992, it seems that total swimming pool deaths do not come anywhere near those of guns, since all drownings were 202 for the year., not per 100,000 people. Just a couple more little bits of info, for those under 5 months, the majority of the drowning were in bathtubs, and 80% of all drownings were males.
But don't you winter in Florida . So really maybe the good ole U.S.A. is your domicile for part of the year .
 

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bluebyrd35;2146479 Take a look at how they stand out of 34 developed countries in the world. Now at least they are lower than Mexico said:
since all drownings were 202 for the year[/B]., not per 100,000 people. Just a couple more little bits of info, for those under 5 months, the majority of the drowning were in bathtubs, and 80% of all drownings were males.

You might want to read up on U.S. drowning statistics
CDC - Water-Related Injuries Facts - Home and Recreational Safety - Injury Center
 

bluebyrd35

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Well I did......3930 drownings for the country a year which includes the 347 boating accidents in the US. (not that it matters because, there is no way we can ban boats or drain the lakes, rivers and oceans0. Now looking at the 3.5 fatalities due to guns per hundred thousand. With a population of 318881,992 this amounts to 31,888 per year. How do you compare 3939 for all drownings per year, to 31, 888. fatal killings by gun??

Further more, water is essential to all life on this planet. Guns are not.
 

AnnaG

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Sheeesh, Canada isn't the USA, where they carry firearms around because they can. Canada, for the most part, is more like Switzerland; loads and loads of guns but most are used for specific purposes and those purposes are not for shooting people.
 

bluebyrd35

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But don't you winter in Florida . So really maybe the good ole U.S.A. is your domicile for part of the year .
Yes it is but where I live it is mostly those older than 50, and most of us have gotten there without needing the protection of guns. What we are much more interested in is sun protection for the skin. The young here have very young families and are more interested in day-care, schools etc.

Yes, exactly AnnaG but have you not noticed that those who argue for their rights here in Canada, want nothing more than to be able to have the same freedom to guns as exist in the US. I love Canada's reasonable gun laws, but they do not. That is why there are comparisons to auto accidents and drownings and the perfectly stupid suggestions that we ban pools, and automobiles. They do not see any difference between a killing machine and one invented for travel. Now it is all about drownings.
 
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Well I did......3930 drownings for the country a year which includes the 347 boating accidents in the US. (not that it matters because, there is no way we can ban boats or drain the lakes, rivers and oceans0. Now looking at the 3.5 fatalities due to guns per hundred thousand. With a population of 318881,992 this amounts to 31,888 per year. How do you compare 3939 for all drownings per year, to 31, 888. fatal killings by gun??

Further more, water is essential to all life on this planet. Guns are not.

Statistics can be very, very deceiving.
 

AnnaG

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Yes it is but where I live it is mostly those older than 50, and most of us have gotten there without needing the protection of guns. What we are much more interested in is sun protection for the skin. The young here have very young families and are more interested in day-care, schools etc.

Yes, exactly AnnaG but have you not noticed that those who argue for their rights here in Canada, want nothing more than to be able to have the same freedom to guns as exist in the US. I love Canada's reasonable gun laws, but they do not. That is why there are comparisons to auto accidents and drownings and the perfectly stupid suggestions that we ban pools, and automobiles. They do not see any difference between a killing machine and one invented for travel. Now it is all about drownings.
Well, I see the comments about banning cars and swimming pools as a sort of retaliation to comments about banning firearms. Perhaps we should ban anything that has a potential for killing. lol

Statistics can be very, very deceiving.
Very true. Most people badly misinterpret stats which leads to more deception.
 

DaSleeper

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Everybody else's but hers don't you know?


And doesn't realise that whatever purpose something was invented for, doesn't make you any less dead
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And something else that was invented for death, was used only twice for that purpose and has been used to propel submarines, make electricity etc....proving that "man" is the killer not the gun!
 

bluebyrd35

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Everybody else's but hers don't you know?


And doesn't realise that whatever purpose something was invented for, doesn't make you any less dead
Silly man, I used JLM"s own stats!! LOL. And as long as I'm not dead, I should care less???

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And something else that was invented for death, was used only twice for that purpose and has been used to propel submarines, make electricity etc....proving that "man" is the killer not the gun!
So why give "MAN" more killing machines?? I am sure simply pointing a finger at someone will not kill them, but depending on which finger could get that "MAN" wishing he were dead.

There's a bit truth in the old saying............"figures can lie and liars can figure".
They were yours the stats and the figures. Are you admitting that the stats you presented were collected by liars and you didn't realize the flaws??
 

DaSleeper

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Silly man, I used JLM"s own stats!! LOL. And as long as I'm not dead, I should care less???


So why give "MAN" more killing machines?? I am sure simply pointing a finger at someone will not kill them, but depending on which finger could get that "MAN" wishing he were dead.


They were yours the stats and the figures. Are you admitting that the stats you presented were collected by liars and you didn't realize the flaws??
You seem to.....then the rest of your post is just more of your constant babbling that doesn't make sense!
 

JamesBondo

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I know it is a difficult to escape the constant brainwashing of the media about guns, but an intelligent, open minded person should be able to take this in, adapt and learn.

No matter what your emotions tell you what the purpose of an object is, the real purpose of an object is based on what that object is used to do most of the time. Today tens of thousands of guns were used for other purposes than to kill while only 80 or so were used to kill here in the US.

Additionally, the notion that millions of defensive gun uses by law enforcement and civilians are merely an 'off label' use for a gun is absolutely offensive and assinine.
 

bluebyrd35

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You seem to.....then the rest of your post is just more of your constant babbling that doesn't make sense!
Listen, you really need to work on your comprehension skills. My post was very clear, no babbling whatever.

JLM, Why??

I know it is a difficult to escape the constant brainwashing of the media about guns, but an intelligent, open minded person should be able to take this in, adapt and learn.

No matter what your emotions tell you what the purpose of an object is, the real purpose of an object is based on what that object is used to do most of the time. Today tens of thousands of guns were used for other purposes than to kill while only 80 or so were used to kill here in the US.

Additionally, the notion that millions of defensive gun uses by law enforcement and civilians are merely an 'off label' use for a gun is absolutely offensive and assinine.
Seeing as how I worked in an ED for about 30 years, believe me, I do not need brainwashing by pro "NO RULES" on guns for Canadians. I see both sides and I, like the majority of Canadians are quite okay with Canadian gun laws.

How do you figure 80 guns only were used to kill 31,000 plus people?? How can an intelligent, open minded person come up with those numbers?? Whose emotions are involved in the possibility of losing their favorite, deadly toys, because they can't or won't go for decent laws to control the use of them??
 

JamesBondo

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I see both sides

You most definitely do not see both sides.

If this was a discussion about warfarin, you would be calling it a pesticide that is designed specifically to kill rodents.

And, by doing so, you would be offending all people that use warfarin to prevent heart attack, stroke, and blood clots in veins.

How do you figure 80 guns only were used to kill 31,000 plus people?? How can an intelligent, open minded person come up with those numbers??

I didn't. But you did. How can an intelligent, open minded person not come up with a basic calculation like 31,000/365 days=84.9 ( ie about 80 guns)? You are not here for a logical, intelligent discussion, are you?