I have read ahead on your post, but this is going to take awhile because I haven't left your first statement yet. LOL
Gun Control is Completely Useless.
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I have read ahead on your post, but this is going to take awhile because I haven't left your first statement yet. LOL
Unfortunately, there's no evidence either way that can't be put down to cherry-picking or crediting gun ownership or non-ownership when that may or may not be the important factor, as I already said in relation to Australia's gun ban and it's drop in homicides.
Quod erat demonstrandum.
Joe Soucheray: St. Paul shooting leaves a clear lesson. But too late for one young man.
Joe Soucheray: St. Paul shooting leaves a clear lesson. But too late for one young man. - TwinCities.com
It most certainly rests the case for personal protection when you suddenly face the barrel of a pistol at, of all places, the foot of Summit Avenue at Mississippi River Boulevard. I say "of all places" because that lookout, featuring a statue dedicated to World War I, is more routinely the confluence of bicyclists, joggers, stargazers and lovers.
But a little more than a week ago, a man, who had a permit to carry a pistol, was threatened by a masked teen who pointed a gun at him and demanded his belongings, prosecutors say. The man, who has not been identified, had gone to the bluff on the occasion of the fabled blue moon, had struck up a conversation with a woman who presumably was keen on the night sky, and the next thing they knew, they were threatened.
The man shot and killed the armed teen, Lavauntai Broadbent, 16, of West St. Paul, who, in memoriam, was Photoshopped with angel's wings.
Well, it turns out that he wasn't much of an angel. He might have been "goofy" and "loving," but the four teens who had been with him, the Ramsey County attorney's office says, had earlier that day helped steal a locked vehicle that contained two loaded guns. The four then allegedly took part in robbing a man at gunpoint at Maryland Avenue and Barclay Street. That netted them $20, which they spent at a McDonald's.
Later, that night, they were at the foot of Summit Avenue, and two of them apparently shot into the air. They saw two people below them on the bluff and Broadbent, according to the fellows now charged, said, "Let's stain them," slang, apparently, for robbing them. Broadbent was handed a gun and he said, according to the fellows charged, "On SBG, let's do this."
Investigators believe SBG stands for "Shoota Boy Gang."
Little did Broadbent know that this would become a textbook case of self-defense. He was shot and killed by an intended victim who feared for his life. The victim gave medical attention. The victim's new acquaintance called 911. The victim did everything he was supposed to do, most principally protecting his own life and the life of his companion.
What a shame for everybody involved. The odds that Broadbent would encounter a legally licensed gun owner are astronomical. The man who shot Broadbent was terribly shaken and visibly upset at police headquarters, according to police. He has thoroughly cooperated and no charges have been brought against him.
The family of the young man is devastated. And a young man lost his life committing a foolish, dangerous and criminal act.
If there is animus for the man who protected himself, what are people to think? That Broadbent should have successfully carried out the robbery? That Broadbent should have shot his intended victim instead? Or, if this stirs up the inevitable talk about there being too many guns too readily available to too many people, should not honest people own one and know how to use it?
It is a dreadful situation for everybody involved.
But kids, the lessons to be learned are not complicated, not complicated at all. Don't steal cars. Don't rob people. Don't attempt to be courageous in the name of a ridiculous gang. Yes, it can be tough to keep your act together, but never so tough that you resort to whimsical armed-robbery attempts. We have no evidence that these young men were quite literally hungry or desperate for anything.
They were ... playing gangster.
But when you play gangster, you never know who you are going to run into, even at a confluence of bicyclists, joggers, stargazers and lovers, any one of which Broadbent could have been instead of a now lost soul.
While hardly a crime free paradise, Gopher state is largely safe thanks to our gun laws which promote safety for law abiding citizens.
Joe Soucheray: St. Paul shooting leaves a clear lesson. But too late for one young man. - TwinCities.com
It most certainly rests the case for personal protection when you suddenly face the barrel of a pistol at, of all places, the foot of Summit Avenue at Mississippi River Boulevard. I say "of all places" because that lookout, featuring a statue dedicated to World War I, is more routinely the confluence of bicyclists, joggers, stargazers and lovers.
But a little more than a week ago, a man, who had a permit to carry a pistol, was threatened by a masked teen who pointed a gun at him and demanded his belongings, prosecutors say. The man, who has not been identified, had gone to the bluff on the occasion of the fabled blue moon, had struck up a conversation with a woman who presumably was keen on the night sky, and the next thing they knew, they were threatened.
The man shot and killed the armed teen, Lavauntai Broadbent, 16, of West St. Paul, who, in memoriam, was Photoshopped with angel's wings.
Well, it turns out that he wasn't much of an angel. He might have been "goofy" and "loving," but the four teens who had been with him, the Ramsey County attorney's office says, had earlier that day helped steal a locked vehicle that contained two loaded guns. The four then allegedly took part in robbing a man at gunpoint at Maryland Avenue and Barclay Street. That netted them $20, which they spent at a McDonald's.
Later, that night, they were at the foot of Summit Avenue, and two of them apparently shot into the air. They saw two people below them on the bluff and Broadbent, according to the fellows now charged, said, "Let's stain them," slang, apparently, for robbing them. Broadbent was handed a gun and he said, according to the fellows charged, "On SBG, let's do this."
Investigators believe SBG stands for "Shoota Boy Gang."
Little did Broadbent know that this would become a textbook case of self-defense. He was shot and killed by an intended victim who feared for his life. The victim gave medical attention. The victim's new acquaintance called 911. The victim did everything he was supposed to do, most principally protecting his own life and the life of his companion.
What a shame for everybody involved. The odds that Broadbent would encounter a legally licensed gun owner are astronomical. The man who shot Broadbent was terribly shaken and visibly upset at police headquarters, according to police. He has thoroughly cooperated and no charges have been brought against him.
The family of the young man is devastated. And a young man lost his life committing a foolish, dangerous and criminal act.
If there is animus for the man who protected himself, what are people to think? That Broadbent should have successfully carried out the robbery? That Broadbent should have shot his intended victim instead? Or, if this stirs up the inevitable talk about there being too many guns too readily available to too many people, should not honest people own one and know how to use it?
It is a dreadful situation for everybody involved.
But kids, the lessons to be learned are not complicated, not complicated at all. Don't steal cars. Don't rob people. Don't attempt to be courageous in the name of a ridiculous gang. Yes, it can be tough to keep your act together, but never so tough that you resort to whimsical armed-robbery attempts. We have no evidence that these young men were quite literally hungry or desperate for anything.
They were ... playing gangster.
But when you play gangster, you never know who you are going to run into, even at a confluence of bicyclists, joggers, stargazers and lovers, any one of which Broadbent could have been instead of a now lost soul.
While hardly a crime free paradise, Gopher state is largely safe thanks to our gun laws which promote safety for law abiding citizens.
In a debate, you just have to be more reasonable and more believable. evidence helps.
Colpy: The right to keep slaves and polygamy are even older rights, going back to Biblical times. Human trafficking still exists unfortunately. Because a right is ancient, does not make it either moral or even sensible.
Gopher: Not so good for the teen who "found the weapon in a locked vehicle" Children's brains are not developed enough to see the possible outcomes of using a gun. and other stupid games young humans play. In some not until in their 20's and sometimes not even then. A law that "A weapon, when not in use by the one authorized to own it" be kept well secured. Leaving a loaded gun in a vehicle on the street proves that even adults have very little idea of what consequences could ensue
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You are really grasping at straws. The guns were in a locked vehicle. A place where the teens had to break a couple of laws just to get them. The teen got exactly what he deserved.
I learned many years ago, that a locked vehicle is not a much of a barrier to even a child of 4. We bought some highly poisonous bug killer recommend for use on cows and locked it in the glove compartment of a big vehicle. We found that 4 year old had taken the key for the vehicle off a hook in a high up cupboard, opened the car and the glove compartment while the adults were upstairs in the same house, got out of the house, the door of which was locked and into the vehicle.
Luckily he only tasted the stuff with his finger. He even replaced the key. It is rather dreadful to see the child in convulsions. We spent the rest day and night in hospital!! That is when we installed a safe type box in the barn. So no, it is not grasping at straws.
Do you realize that while homicides by gun are down, gun violence has increased. Robberies, spousal abuse, accidental killings of children & adults, rapes and suicides by gun are not. Our killers are getting much more sophisticated and are using other methods of killing. Makes one wonder how many enemies are wearing cement overboots, as many enemies in criminals were in the 50's and 60's.
And we're supposed to believe you because you say so?
There you go....rambling again....
They are the extreme opposites.
The slavery is not moral or even sensible.
The firearm is the exact opposite.
Thank you for pointing out how great firearms are.
OK, then, I'll use Australia. It used to have very liberal gun laws. In the wake of a mass shooting at a tourist resort, it passed very strict gun control laws in 1997. Since then, homicides have dropped by over half.
Now, you point out that in some countries that have NOT imposed strict gun control laws, like the U.S., homicides have also dropped by half-ish, and conclude that therefore Australia's gun control laws had nothing to do with it.
Yay. Debate.
are you pretending to be bluebyrd? You have already made those points, and I've already responded.
IMO, you have repeated yourself without adding anything new to your post. So much so, I am not sure what your point is.
If you were Bluebyrd, I would assume that you didn't have a point, thus, I would just repeat myself to you. Is that what you are looking for, a conversation that goes nowhere because you have nothing more to add?
Well he IS trying to play anti gunnut. Can't be easy for a reasonable person.
you mean anti-rights.
anti-gun would never want to see law abiding citizens disarmed faster than criminals and police.
anti-gun would never want to see law abiding citizens disarmed faster than criminals and police.
This is gun control
Grizzly bear shot dead inside Kimberley home - British Columbia - CBC News
A B.C. family is grateful to be alive after waking up to find a hungry grizzly bear feasting in their kitchen.
Mark Traverse of Kimberley, B.C., shot and killed a grizzly bear in his kitchen after the family dog's non-stop barking woke his wife up early on Sunday morning. (Niki Traverse)
When Niki Traverse's small Jack Russell terrier Sid wouldn't stop barking at 5 a.m. Sunday, she knew something was wrong.
"My dog was at our bedroom door going crazy. Losing his mind. I've never heard him bark like that," said Traverse, who lives in the small mountain community with her husband and 13-year-old son. Kimberley is in southeastern B.C.'s Kootenay region.
So she put on her robe and went to see what was going on.
When she stepped in to the kitchen Traverse saw the outline of a large male grizzly bear.
It had pushed in a screen and climbed through a window which the family had left open because of the warm weather.
"It started eating cat food and dog food. Didn't even touch the garbage," she said.
Kitchen confrontation
She ran back to the bedroom to grab her husband Mark, who got his hunting rifle, which he keeps in the bedroom. Their son was asleep in his room, just steps away.
"I went to the kitchen, turned the light on and where the bear was, he came at me and I took a shot," Mark said.
"By the time I reloaded the gun, he took a step more towards me, and I took another shot and he hit the floor, and he was still moving, so put another one in him, and that was the end of him."
Conservation officers showed up a few hours later and identified the bear as a 15-year-old grizzly that had been in poor health and malnourished.
Wonder if his firearm or ammunition were properly stored???
Grizzly bear shot dead inside Kimberley home - British Columbia - CBC News
A B.C. family is grateful to be alive after waking up to find a hungry grizzly bear feasting in their kitchen.
When Niki Traverse's small Jack Russell terrier Sid wouldn't stop barking at 5 a.m. Sunday, she knew something was wrong.
"My dog was at our bedroom door going crazy. Losing his mind. I've never heard him bark like that," said Traverse, who lives in the small mountain community with her husband and 13-year-old son. Kimberley is in southeastern B.C.'s Kootenay region.
So she put on her robe and went to see what was going on.
When she stepped in to the kitchen Traverse saw the outline of a large male grizzly bear.
It had pushed in a screen and climbed through a window which the family had left open because of the warm weather.
"It started eating cat food and dog food. Didn't even touch the garbage," she said.
Kitchen confrontation
She ran back to the bedroom to grab her husband Mark, who got his hunting rifle, which he keeps in the bedroom. Their son was asleep in his room, just steps away.
"I went to the kitchen, turned the light on and where the bear was, he came at me and I took a shot," Mark said.
"By the time I reloaded the gun, he took a step more towards me, and I took another shot and he hit the floor, and he was still moving, so put another one in him, and that was the end of him."
Conservation officers showed up a few hours later and identified the bear as a 15-year-old grizzly that had been in poor health and malnourished.
Wonder if his firearm or ammunition were properly stored???
LOL, Give me a break, Slavery is control of another, as is polygamy. An instrument who's design is to kill, is even worse. It removes even the possibility of recovery. Slaves live with the hope of freedom, and girls traded into polygamy, can figure out how to divorce........unless there is a gun involved.
What is it with people who are so insecure they need to pack a gun for protection?? Not exactly manly in my opinion. Actually, rather cowardly!!
So.......A hunting rifle in a rural community has what to do with gun control??? Canadians are allowed by law to have hunting rifles, as long as they follow the law. Your point is what??? Since I have said OVER ad OVER again that our gun laws are great. All you are proving is that they are!!This is gun control
Grizzly bear shot dead inside Kimberley home - British Columbia - CBC News
A B.C. family is grateful to be alive after waking up to find a hungry grizzly bear feasting in their kitchen.
Mark Traverse of Kimberley, B.C., shot and killed a grizzly bear in his kitchen after the family dog's non-stop barking woke his wife up early on Sunday morning. (Niki Traverse)
When Niki Traverse's small Jack Russell terrier Sid wouldn't stop barking at 5 a.m. Sunday, she knew something was wrong.
"My dog was at our bedroom door going crazy. Losing his mind. I've never heard him bark like that," said Traverse, who lives in the small mountain community with her husband and 13-year-old son. Kimberley is in southeastern B.C.'s Kootenay region.
So she put on her robe and went to see what was going on.
When she stepped in to the kitchen Traverse saw the outline of a large male grizzly bear.
It had pushed in a screen and climbed through a window which the family had left open because of the warm weather.
"It started eating cat food and dog food. Didn't even touch the garbage," she said.
Kitchen confrontation
She ran back to the bedroom to grab her husband Mark, who got his hunting rifle, which he keeps in the bedroom. Their son was asleep in his room, just steps away.
"I went to the kitchen, turned the light on and where the bear was, he came at me and I took a shot," Mark said.
"By the time I reloaded the gun, he took a step more towards me, and I took another shot and he hit the floor, and he was still moving, so put another one in him, and that was the end of him."
Conservation officers showed up a few hours later and identified the bear as a 15-year-old grizzly that had been in poor health and malnourished.
Wonder if his firearm or ammunition were properly stored???
I see that you're babbling again, within half a mile of a large three stories secondary school school is not that rural.....And you can be sure that the safe storage laws were not enforced in this instance, nor would any sane individual follow them in Grizzly country....
BTW....one half mile from my house going north you hit bush with no houses until you hit james Bay 100 miles away as the crow flies, and I'm right in town, and I've seen black bears in my back yard...early in the morning, (Don't tell my wife)
If the police were to find my rifle without a trigger lock and with ammunition in close proximity, I could be legally charged.
BTW....one half mile from my house going north you hit bush with no houses until you hit james Bay 100 miles away as the crow flies, and I'm right in town, and I've seen black bears in my back yard...early in the morning, (Don't tell my wife)
If the police were to find my rifle without a trigger lock and with ammunition in close proximity, I could be legally charged.
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...until men with a guns came along and freed them.
Thank you for pointing out how great firearms are.
Women pack guns for protection, as well. I think it is kinda mean and insensitive that you are against that.
Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence – Gun Law Information Experts
According to statistics, women packing guns for protection are about 40% to 170% more likely to be injured or shot just by having & carrying it.
By the way, how many female slavers have you ever heard of. Even today it is men with guns who run the sex slave industry. How many rapes are done by women with guns compared to men.
As far as I am aware of even city dwellers are allowed to have hunting rifles and as I have REPEATEDLY said, our gun laws are already very good. So remind me again why you want change to the system the US has for guns??
So who is the mean, insensitive, uncaring person??
adjective
1.
of, relating to, or characteristic of the country, country life, or country people; rustic:
rural tranquillity.
2.
living in the country:
the rural population.
3.
of or relating to agriculture:
rural economy.
If you have trouble with that definition ......... try picturing a rural area as different from the City of Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver. Even there some smaller wild life lives. In Florida, Alligators have been found in swimming pools, and black bears have been spotted in populated areas. In fact, wild pigs abound there and occasionally, neighborhoods issue hunting licenses to help keep them away from homes. They tear up a lawn in no time flat.
According to statistics, women packing guns for protection are about 40% to 170% more likely to be injured or shot just by having & carrying it.
By the way, how many female slavers have you ever heard of. Even today it is men with guns who run the sex slave industry. How many rapes are done by women with guns compared to men.
As far as I am aware of even city dwellers are allowed to have hunting rifles and as I have REPEATEDLY said, our gun laws are already very good. So remind me again why you want change to the system the US has for guns??
So who is the mean, insensitive, uncaring person??
Definition of rural
adjective
1.
of, relating to, or characteristic of the country, country life, or country people; rustic:
rural tranquillity.
2.
living in the country:
the rural population.
3.
of or relating to agriculture:
rural economy.
If you have trouble with that definition ......... try picturing a rural area as different from the City of Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver. Even there some smaller wild life lives. In Florida, Alligators have been found in swimming pools, and black bears have been spotted in populated areas. In fact, wild pigs abound there and occasionally, neighborhoods issue hunting licenses to help keep them away from homes. They tear up a lawn in no time flat.
Even if your post is true or only partially true, the FBI released a finding that the firearm is the most affective means of self defense. No other tool can reduce the risk of harm as much as the firearm.
Don't you think that equipping a women with an ineffective means of self defense when she is faced with an attacker, don't you think that is extremely assinine of you?
Don't you think that equipping a women with an ineffective means of self defense when she is faced with an attacker, don't you think that is extremely assinine of you?