Gun Control is Completely Useless.

[Colpy]

Horse sh!t. Too long have so called "law abiding gun owners" been able to sell guns to criminals without reprocussion. Years have passed where simple cooperation could have prevented guns from falling into criminal hands. The only opposition to this comes from a vocal minority who could prevent drastic changes to the legality of gun ownership by being part of the solution. Now it's time for the rest of us to join together and counter the lobbists in Washington who, with the financial contributions of those gun owners who want to sell guns under the table to criminals. The root of the problem lays in the US and that is where it's going to start to be resolved.

You really do have a problem with reality, don't you??????

First of all, in case you hadn't noticed.....we live in CANADA....It's that big place at the top of the map, in the western hemisphere....the United States is the smaller place, in two parts, to our south and north-west......:roll:. In the USA they have a Bill of Rights....one that is not subject to the whims of government. That Bill of Rights clearly states that "....the RIGHT of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT be infringed". Which part of that do you not understand???????? AND, in the USA, those who support the Second Amendment are most definitely NOT a minority.....ask Bill Clinton about Congressional elections if you doubt me...

Secondly, your efforts and those of the rest of the idiots in the gun-grabbing lobby have proven to be completely impotent in eliminating gun crime in Canada......or getting gun owners in Canada to bend over for the bone......and are now desperately trying to erect straw men on the US border to distract Canadians from their own complete failure....in logic and effect..

Thirdly, all your vaunted gun control measures in Canada have managed to do is drive millions of weapons underground. In a display of stupidity unmatched in gov't bureaucracy (and THAT is difficult!) the law not only offends and demonizes gun owners, the bureaucracy is set up to do the same (according to the Auditor-General). This simply ensured that millions of guns remained unregistered, and thus are traded illegally..........as well, if you have a gun stolen, you will be charged....unless YOU can prove it was stored properly. This reverse onus prevents many from reporting the loss of firearms... BRILLIANT....but I'm sure you can come with something even more moronic.

Effective law requires the co-operation of those ruled.

And finally, back to the original point of this entire thread....please explain, in detail, why in the United States, as practically non-existent gun control (by Canadian standards) is repealed and loosened.....their murder rate drops.

And why in Canada, faced with ever-greater stupidity, regulation, and bans from government.....plus a strict gun control regimen....the murder rate remains the same....

 

[DaSleeper]

To show the stupidity of ...maybe not the storage regulations but the interpretation of said regulations.....
A few years ago...my nephew (now retired) was living in Temagami Ontario, and while working in Alberta, finds out his house was broken into....Finally, he's on the phone with the OPP in his house and they tell him his only damage is his liquor cabinet is empty and so is his gun cabinet....would he please tell them where the registration papers are for his guns....
So he goes and tells them the guns are not in his cabinet but well hidden and they have a hard time to find them with his instructions...
That's when they charge him for illegally storing his guns and they get confiscated..
When he comes back, a month later, just in time for his court date and explains to the judge, how he hid his guns and how the police had a hard time to find them....the judge asked the officer..."If the guns had been in the cabinet (in proper storage??) where would they be?
After the obvious answer from the police..the judge said "Return this man's property...case dismissed"
Smart Judge...

 

[Unforgiven]

You really do have a problem with reality, don't you??????

Nope not at all. Your outright refusal to deal with the issue of the gun show loophole as an avenue for trafficing once legal guns into the hands of criminals is a good indicator that you have, by choice, no concept of the realities faced by those who survive loved ones murdered by firearms.

First of all, in case you hadn't noticed.....we live in CANADA....It's that big place at the top of the map, in the western hemisphere....the United States is the smaller place, in two parts, to our south and north-west......:roll:. In the USA they have a Bill of Rights....one that is not subject to the whims of government. That Bill of Rights clearly states that "....the RIGHT of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT be infringed". Which part of that do you not understand???????? AND, in the USA, those who support the Second Amendment are most definitely NOT a minority.....ask Bill Clinton about Congressional elections if you doubt me...

You Colpy, like most gun nuts, always forget that first part of the Second Amendment.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Third word in Colpy. Counting to three isn't too difficult for you is it? Regulated.
You can go look that word up if you need to. You can have a gun but you must abide the rules. There is nothing that stands against regulating gun ownership. SImply that if you are law abiding which means you accept and follow the rules set by the government. I wonder if you know or even are capable of understanding what that means? You haven't shown it at this point.

Secondly, your efforts and those of the rest of the idiots in the gun-grabbing lobby have proven to be completely impotent in eliminating gun crime in Canada......or getting gun owners in Canada to bend over for the bone......and are now desperately trying to erect straw men on the US border to distract Canadians from their own complete failure....in logic and effect..

But you see Colpy, most have been rather polite in attempting to put some regulation on gun ownership. That the very paranoid faction among gun owners, like yourself, have been very vocal in saying that any rules to gun ownership means taking away all the guns. While this has worked to your benefit in the past, I think that showing it's the same yappy few making all the noise and bluster over nothing more than closing the gun show loophole, will bring the moderate gunowners onside while you fanatical "Gotta Arm Those Criminals" types will do little more than flap your lips while the rest of us make the changes that all gun owners should have been championing in the first place.

Thirdly, all your vaunted gun control measures in Canada have managed to do is drive millions of weapons underground. In a display of stupidity unmatched in gov't bureaucracy (and THAT is difficult!) the law not only offends and demonizes gun owners, the bureaucracy is set up to do the same (according to the Auditor-General). This simply ensured that millions of guns remained unregistered, and thus are traded illegally..........as well, if you have a gun stolen, you will be charged....unless YOU can prove it was stored properly. This reverse onus prevents many from reporting the loss of firearms... BRILLIANT....but I'm sure you can come with something even more moronic.

So much for law abiding gun owners in Canada eh? :lol:
As it is, it doesn't matter what laws we make to regulate guns in Canada while we have a porous border and so called "law abiding gun owners" in the US selling handguns to gangsters under the table no questions asked. And this is what needs to be stopped. No more selling, trading, giving or losing a gun without paper work, identification and federal and state background checks. If someone has to wait a couple of days, that's fine.

Effective law requires the co-operation of those ruled.

Yup. And so it is that I find it very strange that you would try and say that closing the gun show loophole equates to taking all your guns away. Is there something you aren't telling us Colpy?

And finally, back to the original point of this entire thread....please explain, in detail, why in the United States, as practically non-existent gun control (by Canadian standards) is repealed and loosened.....their murder rate drops.

Stats are nice and maliable. Of course they haven't dropped in some places they have risen and continue to rise. I notice this is something you preffer to remove from the statistical charts you make up.

And why in Canada, faced with ever-greater stupidity, regulation, and bans from government.....plus a strict gun control regimen....the murder rate remains the same....

As I have ripped your claims before I feel no need to rip them yet again. Fact is the gun show loophole needs to be closed so that so called "law abiding gun owners" can't sell guns to criminals under the table anymore. We've had enough of these smuggled into Canada and finding their way onto the streets of major cities that end up killing innocent bystanders.

 

[Colpy]

You Colpy, like most gun nuts, always forget that first part of the Second Amendment.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Third word in Colpy. Counting to three isn't too difficult for you is it? Regulated.
You can go look that word up if you need to. You can have a gun but you must abide the rules. There is nothing that stands against regulating gun ownership. SImply that if you are law abiding which means you accept and follow the rules set by the government. I wonder if you know or even are capable of understanding what that means? You haven't shown it at this point.

We ignore the first phrase because it is irrelevant. First, a short lesson in the English language.:roll: The declaratory part of the sentence that is the Second Amendment is the part that begins ".....the Right of the People..." .....the initial part of the sentence is merely explanatory, and in no way modifies the declaratory phrase.......basic English comprehension.

Secondly, and to some extent explaining the confusion.........the Militia is ALL the people........that certainly regulates the initial phrase irrelevant.......if anything, it is intended (and has been interpreted by the Supreme Court) as an indication that the arms protected by the Amendment are MILITARY arms.........

American law defines the Militia as every able-bodied male age 17 and over.
Militia Defination
Hope that clears it up for you.

 

[Colpy]

Unforgiven;

But you see Colpy, most have been rather polite in attempting to put some regulation on gun ownership. That the very paranoid faction among gun owners, like yourself, have been very vocal in saying that any rules to gun ownership means taking away all the guns. While this has worked to your benefit in the past, I think that showing it's the same yappy few making all the noise and bluster over nothing more than closing the gun show loophole, will bring the moderate gunowners onside while you fanatical "Gotta Arm Those Criminals" types will do little more than flap your lips while the rest of us make the changes that all gun owners should have been championing in the first place.

Now you are talking like an idiot. I spent years training armed guards how to resist criminals armed with guns....I actually have some idea what I'm talking about. I carried arms to defend myself. No, the idea that people might have and carry guns does not frighten me....because I am a democrat....I believe in the good of the majority.......and their ability to suppress evil if allowed the means....
Oddly, the left is arrogant and elitist, and finds the idea that the masses are responsible and capable of handling weapons repugnant.........


So much for law abiding gun owners in Canada eh? :lol:
As it is, it doesn't matter what laws we make to regulate guns in Canada while we have a porous border and so called "law abiding gun owners" in the US selling handguns to gangsters under the table no questions asked. And this is what needs to be stopped. No more selling, trading, giving or losing a gun without paper work, identification and federal and state background checks. If someone has to wait a couple of days, that's fine.

Which is the point. Thankfully, you CAN'T stop the Americans from exercising their rights.....get REAL! Which seems to be beyond your capability.


Yup. And so it is that I find it very strange that you would try and say that closing the gun show loophole equates to taking all your guns away. Is there something you aren't telling us Colpy?

The REALITY is I never said that, nor did I say anything even approaching that.....What I did say was "registration inevitably leads to confiscation"....a theory strongly supported by a short study of the history of registration in Canada.


Stats are nice and maliable. Of course they haven't dropped in some places they have risen and continue to rise. I notice this is something you preffer to remove from the statistical charts you make up.

Back on "made up charts" again are we.
**** you. Look it up arsehole. If you can read.


As I have ripped your claims before I feel no need to rip them yet again. Fact is the gun show loophole needs to be closed so that so called "law abiding gun owners" can't sell guns to criminals under the table anymore. We've had enough of these smuggled into Canada and finding their way onto the streets of major cities that end up killing innocent bystanders

You ripped nothing.....you maintained that the stats I produced were the result of racial demographics....a conclusion that is completely irrelevant, and that would make the KKK proud. You disproved nothing. You can't. You have neither the facts nor the intellect to do so.

 

[AnnaG]

Again all the Cannabis in the world never killed anyone.

:roll: And all the guns did?

 

[AnnaG]

I can't believe you are seriously going to say that if you legalized drugs violence would go down, but then say you also need to ban guns.

Which is it, are people killing each other because they have access to guns or over drug money, because if its over money then whether or not they have guns won't impact if they kill people. Guns and Bombs are easy to make, bombs are easier to make than it is to grow drugs. Hell its easy to accidentally make a deadly bomb if you aren't careful with cleaning supplies.

People either have liberty or they don't. And all liberty has always come from the barrel of a gun (or tip of a sword) either yours or someone elses.

If the majority of society are law abiding and trustworthy citizens then you will always be stronger in an armed society. If the majority of people are not law abiding trust worthy citizens, you shouldn't be in a democracy.

Anyone you can't trust with a gun, you can't trust with a vote. If they are too unstable and dangerous to handle a firearm, they are too unstable and dangerous to get a vote.

That's sensible.

 

[AnnaG]

You really do have a problem with reality, don't you??????

First of all, in case you hadn't noticed.....we live in CANADA....It's that big place at the top of the map, in the western hemisphere....the United States is the smaller place, in two parts, to our south and north-west......:roll:. In the USA they have a Bill of Rights....one that is not subject to the whims of government. That Bill of Rights clearly states that "....the RIGHT of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT be infringed". Which part of that do you not understand???????? AND, in the USA, those who support the Second Amendment are most definitely NOT a minority.....ask Bill Clinton about Congressional elections if you doubt me...

Secondly, your efforts and those of the rest of the idiots in the gun-grabbing lobby have proven to be completely impotent in eliminating gun crime in Canada......or getting gun owners in Canada to bend over for the bone......and are now desperately trying to erect straw men on the US border to distract Canadians from their own complete failure....in logic and effect..

Thirdly, all your vaunted gun control measures in Canada have managed to do is drive millions of weapons underground. In a display of stupidity unmatched in gov't bureaucracy (and THAT is difficult!) the law not only offends and demonizes gun owners, the bureaucracy is set up to do the same (according to the Auditor-General). This simply ensured that millions of guns remained unregistered, and thus are traded illegally..........as well, if you have a gun stolen, you will be charged....unless YOU can prove it was stored properly. This reverse onus prevents many from reporting the loss of firearms... BRILLIANT....but I'm sure you can come with something even more moronic.

Effective law requires the co-operation of those ruled.

And finally, back to the original point of this entire thread....please explain, in detail, why in the United States, as practically non-existent gun control (by Canadian standards) is repealed and loosened.....their murder rate drops.

And why in Canada, faced with ever-greater stupidity, regulation, and bans from government.....plus a strict gun control regimen....the murder rate remains the same....

Valid points. Good post, Colpy.

 

[AnnaG]

A large population of law-abiding gun owners aren't law-abiding anymore simply because of this absolutely inane crap the Glibs pulled on Canada. They are criminals because they are civilly disobedient because of the most expensive and least useful bit of legislation ever enacted in Canada that has anything to do with firearms. Some firearms control works. This doesn't.
As far as closing loopholes so REAL criminals don't get their hands on them goes, fine. But Canada's latest version of gun control doesn't do ANYTHING initially claimed. It's simply made issues about guns worse.

 

[ironsides]

So much for liberty. Attempting to quash any more discussion on the topic are you?

What else is there to say, you just do not get it. No more discussion is required if you don't understand that there is nothing we have more powerful than the vote. This so called loop hole is nothing, as I said before it was done on purpose and is not a main source of anybody getting weapons.

 

[Unforgiven]

We ignore the first phrase because it is irrelevant. First, a short lesson in the English language.:roll: The declaratory part of the sentence that is the Second Amendment is the part that begins ".....the Right of the People..." .....the initial part of the sentence is merely explanatory, and in no way modifies the declaratory phrase.......basic English comprehension.

Secondly, and to some extent explaining the confusion.........the Militia is ALL the people........that certainly regulates the initial phrase irrelevant.......if anything, it is intended (and has been interpreted by the Supreme Court) as an indication that the arms protected by the Amendment are MILITARY arms.........

American law defines the Militia as every able-bodied male age 17 and over.
Militia Defination
Hope that clears it up for you.

So you're saying that everyone including criminals have the RIght to have guns in the US?

 

[Colpy]

So you're saying that everyone including criminals have the RIght to have guns in the US?

Oh Come On!

Criminals lose their rights on conviction....their right to association, their right to freedom of movement, they forfeit their rights as punishment, and deterence.

And their right to keep and bear arms.

 

[Unforgiven]

Unforgiven;

But you see Colpy, most have been rather polite in attempting to put some regulation on gun ownership. That the very paranoid faction among gun owners, like yourself, have been very vocal in saying that any rules to gun ownership means taking away all the guns. While this has worked to your benefit in the past, I think that showing it's the same yappy few making all the noise and bluster over nothing more than closing the gun show loophole, will bring the moderate gunowners onside while you fanatical "Gotta Arm Those Criminals" types will do little more than flap your lips while the rest of us make the changes that all gun owners should have been championing in the first place.

Now you are talking like an idiot. I spent years training armed guards how to resist criminals armed with guns....I actually have some idea what I'm talking about. I carried arms to defend myself. No, the idea that people might have and carry guns does not frighten me....because I am a democrat....I believe in the good of the majority.......and their ability to suppress evil if allowed the means....
Oddly, the left is arrogant and elitist, and finds the idea that the masses are responsible and capable of handling weapons repugnant.........

You see Colpy, you're problem is that you seem to think that if everyone had a gun on them then a gangbanger wouldn't think of firing a gun in a public place.
While you may feel that you're gonna be the man when it comes to a firefight, you haven't ever mentioned a time when you have faced that situation. Have you ever shot someone in a crowd of screaming people after they've opened fire?
In a simulation, no one is shooting back. Cardboard cutouts don't shoot back.

So much for law abiding gun owners in Canada eh? :lol:
As it is, it doesn't matter what laws we make to regulate guns in Canada while we have a porous border and so called "law abiding gun owners" in the US selling handguns to gangsters under the table no questions asked. And this is what needs to be stopped. No more selling, trading, giving or losing a gun without paper work, identification and federal and state background checks. If someone has to wait a couple of days, that's fine.

Which is the point. Thankfully, you CAN'T stop the Americans from exercising their rights.....get REAL! Which seems to be beyond your capability.

Which is the point actually. Rather than working to close a loophole that allows the free flow of handguns to criminals while not preventing in the slightest, legitimate gun owners from buying or using guns, you like a small percentage of gun owners work to keep that loophole open and profitable. There can only be one reason for that.

Yup. And so it is that I find it very strange that you would try and say that closing the gun show loophole equates to taking all your guns away. Is there something you aren't telling us Colpy?

The REALITY is I never said that, nor did I say anything even approaching that.....What I did say was "registration inevitably leads to confiscation"....a theory strongly supported by a short study of the history of registration in Canada.

Everything you have posted here indicates that you feel closing the gun show loophole will in some way prevent legitimate gun owners from buying or keeping guns and as you say right here, will end up taking your guns away. How does closing a loophole in American law, take away your privilege as a Canadian gun owner? It doesn't Colpy. The reality is that you want a means to sell and buy guns without any paper trail or examination of the sale or those involved.

Stats are nice and maliable. Of course they haven't dropped in some places they have risen and continue to rise. I notice this is something you preffer to remove from the statistical charts you make up.

Back on "made up charts" again are we.
**** you. Look it up arsehole. If you can read.

You made up your own chart from stats you cherry picked in an attempt to prove a lie. As pointed out the problem is in the big cities where there is a large population of Blacks and gang related activity. Black on Black crime isn't a racist concept as you tried to imply previously. It's a fact. Posting some stats from places with a small population, much lower population of Blacks and gang related activity is an attempt to manipulate stats. You're a liar and a scumbag for doing it.

As I have ripped your claims before I feel no need to rip them yet again. Fact is the gun show loophole needs to be closed so that so called "law abiding gun owners" can't sell guns to criminals under the table anymore. We've had enough of these smuggled into Canada and finding their way onto the streets of major cities that end up killing innocent bystanders

You ripped nothing.....you maintained that the stats I produced were the result of racial demographics....a conclusion that is completely irrelevant, and that would make the KKK proud. You disproved nothing. You can't. You have neither the facts nor the intellect to do so.

Wyoming doesn't have the gang problem or the Black on Black crime demographic that DC has. It's not racist to talk openly about all the aspects of the problem. Which I would remind you is guns getting into the hands of criminals. Closing the gun show loophole so that scumbags can't sell guns to gangbangers has no affect at all on legitimate gun owners. Only the ****heels who want to profit on feeding organized crime.

You're part of the problem. It's time someone cleaned this mess up.

 

[Unforgiven]

:roll: And all the guns did?

Rather than rip you a good one again, I'll just say that I don't like talking with you for a number of reasons. You don't raise any relevant points here, cheerleading and attempting to drag the thread off topic. So for the sake of letting people discuss the topic without you trolling and baiting, why don't you just find another thread to talk in. Please.

 

[Unforgiven]

What else is there to say, you just do not get it. No more discussion is required if you don't understand that there is nothing we have more powerful than the vote. This so called loop hole is nothing, as I said before it was done on purpose and is not a main source of anybody getting weapons.

So you're saying that if you can't solve the largest problems yet then you shouldn't address any problems at all? Gun shows are the second largest source of illegally diverted guns in the US second only to corupt federally licensed gun dealers.

Saying it's nothing shows you either know nothing about the issue or like Colpy here, choose to fight any attempt to keep guns out of the hands of criminals.

 

[Unforgiven]

Oh Come On!

Criminals lose their rights on conviction....their right to association, their right to freedom of movement, they forfeit their rights as punishment, and deterence.

And their right to keep and bear arms.

Of course at a gun show or private, it doesn't matter if you are a criminal or not because there are plenty of people who can and will sell you firearms without any background check, proof of identity, or status of right to bear and keep arms.

And as you said before any attempt to stop those without the right to have and use guns is the start of taking your guns away.

 

[Colpy]

Now you are talking like an idiot. I spent years training armed guards how to resist criminals armed with guns....I actually have some idea what I'm talking about. I carried arms to defend myself. No, the idea that people might have and carry guns does not frighten me....because I am a democrat....I believe in the good of the majority.......and their ability to suppress evil if allowed the means....
Oddly, the left is arrogant and elitist, and finds the idea that the masses are responsible and capable of handling weapons repugnant.........

You see Colpy, you're problem is that you seem to think that if everyone had a gun on them then a gangbanger wouldn't think of firing a gun in a public place.
While you may feel that you're gonna be the man when it comes to a firefight, you haven't ever mentioned a time when you have faced that situation. Have you ever shot someone in a crowd of screaming people after they've opened fire?
In a simulation, no one is shooting back. Cardboard cutouts don't shoot back.

No I have never shot anyone, despite being in two situations in which I could legally have done so.......and part of the training I impressed on my students was that you NEVER open fire in a crowd.....you are morally responsible for the effect of every round you let go........besides which, my (quite adequate, thank you) shooting abilities are not the point. What is your point?



Which is the point. Thankfully, you CAN'T stop the Americans from exercising their rights.....get REAL! Which seems to be beyond your capability.

Which is the point actually. Rather than working to close a loophole that allows the free flow of handguns to criminals while not preventing in the slightest, legitimate gun owners from buying or using guns, you like a small percentage of gun owners work to keep that loophole open and profitable. There can only be one reason for that.


(sigh) I am CANADIAN! I live in CANADA.....as I assume you do. I can have NO effect on American policy or law. I don't vote there. And the reason AMERICANS want to keep private sales of arms out of the oversight of gov't is that they see that oversight as undue interference in the exercise of their basic rights, as we have discussed. And they are correct.

The REALITY is I never said that, nor did I say anything even approaching that.....What I did say was "registration inevitably leads to confiscation"....a theory strongly supported by a short study of the history of registration in Canada.

Everything you have posted here indicates that you feel closing the gun show loophole will in some way prevent legitimate gun owners from buying or keeping guns and as you say right here, will end up taking your guns away. How does closing a loophole in American law, take away your privilege as a Canadian gun owner? It doesn't Colpy. The reality is that you want a means to sell and buy guns without any paper trail or examination of the sale or those involved.

This obsession you have with American gun shows is really unhealthy.....you should speak to a professional about it.....


Back on "made up charts" again are we.
**** you. Look it up arsehole. If you can read.

You made up your own chart from stats you cherry picked in an attempt to prove a lie. As pointed out the problem is in the big cities where there is a large population of Blacks and gang related activity. Black on Black crime isn't a racist concept as you tried to imply previously. It's a fact. Posting some stats from places with a small population, much lower population of Blacks and gang related activity is an attempt to manipulate stats. You're a liar and a scumbag for doing it.

Read the initial post. My POINT was that murder rates are the result of culture, not inanimate objects, so I picked two areas with similar populations and culture.....the only difference was the gun laws......try and comprehend that the areas in the USA with the most guns have the lower murder rates, often lower than those in Canada.............you can't disprove that, and it shows your idiotic fear and loathing of a simple machine to be exactly what it is.....psychosis.


You ripped nothing.....you maintained that the stats I produced were the result of racial demographics....a conclusion that is completely irrelevant, and that would make the KKK proud. You disproved nothing. You can't. You have neither the facts nor the intellect to do so.


Wyoming doesn't have the gang problem or the Black on Black crime demographic that DC has. It's not racist to talk openly about all the aspects of the problem. Which I would remind you is guns getting into the hands of criminals. Closing the gun show loophole so that scumbags can't sell guns to gangbangers has no affect at all on legitimate gun owners. Only the ****heels who want to profit on feeding organized crime.

You're part of the problem. It's time someone cleaned this mess up.

Yep Good Luck with that.........why don't you move to Wyoming, and see how far you get????????????:roll:.

 

[Unforgiven]

Now you are talking like an idiot. I spent years training armed guards how to resist criminals armed with guns....I actually have some idea what I'm talking about. I carried arms to defend myself. No, the idea that people might have and carry guns does not frighten me....because I am a democrat....I believe in the good of the majority.......and their ability to suppress evil if allowed the means....
Oddly, the left is arrogant and elitist, and finds the idea that the masses are responsible and capable of handling weapons repugnant.........

You see Colpy, you're problem is that you seem to think that if everyone had a gun on them then a gangbanger wouldn't think of firing a gun in a public place.
While you may feel that you're gonna be the man when it comes to a firefight, you haven't ever mentioned a time when you have faced that situation. Have you ever shot someone in a crowd of screaming people after they've opened fire?
In a simulation, no one is shooting back. Cardboard cutouts don't shoot back.

No I have never shot anyone, despite being in two situations in which I could legally have done so.......and part of the training I impressed on my students was that you NEVER open fire in a crowd.....you are morally responsible for the effect of every round you let go........besides which, my (quite adequate, thank you) shooting abilities are not the point. What is your point?

Of course you haven't. Gun nuts who talk about everyone having guns are the last to step up and the first to duck and cover. Cowardly and paranoid more than anything else. Putting restriction on private sales like those that make up about half of the sales at gun shows via the gun show loophole will help to reduce guns getting into criminal hands. The point is you and people like you are the problem.

Which is the point. Thankfully, you CAN'T stop the Americans from exercising their rights.....get REAL! Which seems to be beyond your capability.

Which is the point actually. Rather than working to close a loophole that allows the free flow of handguns to criminals while not preventing in the slightest, legitimate gun owners from buying or using guns, you like a small percentage of gun owners work to keep that loophole open and profitable. There can only be one reason for that.


(sigh) I am CANADIAN! I live in CANADA.....as I assume you do. I can have NO effect on American policy or law. I don't vote there. And the reason AMERICANS want to keep private sales of arms out of the oversight of gov't is that they see that oversight as undue interference in the exercise of their basic rights, as we have discussed. And they are correct.

Bullsh!t. You have no clue as to the effect what you say has on another person on the Internet, be they American or anyone else. If what you say influences their vote then you have an indrect effect on American policy so quit the bull and let's get to the truth here.

The REALITY is I never said that, nor did I say anything even approaching that.....What I did say was "registration inevitably leads to confiscation"....a theory strongly supported by a short study of the history of registration in Canada.

Everything you have posted here indicates that you feel closing the gun show loophole will in some way prevent legitimate gun owners from buying or keeping guns and as you say right here, will end up taking your guns away. How does closing a loophole in American law, take away your privilege as a Canadian gun owner? It doesn't Colpy. The reality is that you want a means to sell and buy guns without any paper trail or examination of the sale or those involved.

This obsession you have with American gun shows is really unhealthy.....you should speak to a professional about it.....

You sure don't like anyone pointing out the exact method of so called law abiding gun owners selling guns to criminals or how gangbangers can and do buy guns openly at gun shows and privately without even a slip of paper showing who bought or sold the gun. Organized crime would like to government to keep it's nose out of their "personal business" too.

Back on "made up charts" again are we.
**** you. Look it up arsehole. If you can read.

You made up your own chart from stats you cherry picked in an attempt to prove a lie. As pointed out the problem is in the big cities where there is a large population of Blacks and gang related activity. Black on Black crime isn't a racist concept as you tried to imply previously. It's a fact. Posting some stats from places with a small population, much lower population of Blacks and gang related activity is an attempt to manipulate stats. You're a liar and a scumbag for doing it.

Read the initial post. My POINT was that murder rates are the result of culture, not inanimate objects, so I picked two areas with similar populations and culture.....the only difference was the gun laws......try and comprehend that the areas in the USA with the most guns have the lower murder rates, often lower than those in Canada.............you can't disprove that, and it shows your idiotic fear and loathing of a simple machine to be exactly what it is.....psychosis.

No one is murdering anyone else with their culture. Plenty are using handguns though, which you attempt to misdirect and confuse by making up your own bullsh!t charts, with massaged figures and out right lies. Hence the scumbag tag I hang on you.

You ripped nothing.....you maintained that the stats I produced were the result of racial demographics....a conclusion that is completely irrelevant, and that would make the KKK proud. You disproved nothing. You can't. You have neither the facts nor the intellect to do so.


Wyoming doesn't have the gang problem or the Black on Black crime demographic that DC has. It's not racist to talk openly about all the aspects of the problem. Which I would remind you is guns getting into the hands of criminals. Closing the gun show loophole so that scumbags can't sell guns to gangbangers has no affect at all on legitimate gun owners. Only the ****heels who want to profit on feeding organized crime.

You're part of the problem. It's time someone cleaned this mess up.

Yep Good Luck with that.........why don't you move to Wyoming, and see how far you get????????????:roll:.

Wyoming can kiss my ass. Closing the Gun Show Loophole is the best argument yet to not only, expose the second leading method of criminals disguised as "law abiding gun owners" to sell guns to gangbangers and supply the weapons that end up on the streets of big cities and killing or injuring innocent bystanders, but also take a big bite out of the funds corrupt and imoral gun owners.

 

[Colpy]

No I have never shot anyone, despite being in two situations in which I could legally have done so.......and part of the training I impressed on my students was that you NEVER open fire in a crowd.....you are morally responsible for the effect of every round you let go........besides which, my (quite adequate, thank you) shooting abilities are not the point. What is your point?

Of course you haven't. Gun nuts who talk about everyone having guns are the last to step up and the first to duck and cover. Cowardly and paranoid more than anything else. Putting restriction on private sales like those that make up about half of the sales at gun shows via the gun show loophole will help to reduce guns getting into criminal hands. The point is you and people like you are the problem.

Ha Ha Ha Ha!!! That's hilarious! Were I afraid, I would not have been in the profession.....your desperation is showing. Geezus! Would you have prefered I did shoot the idiot that threatened me with a tire iron when I caught him trying to jimmy the back door of the Brink's truck??? You're a sick man. Seek treatment. BTW What do you do for a living? Sell lingerie? Push a pencil? :lol::lol::lol:

and....You really need to seek professional help about the gun show obsession........

(sigh) I am CANADIAN! I live in CANADA.....as I assume you do. I can have NO effect on American policy or law. I don't vote there. And the reason AMERICANS want to keep private sales of arms out of the oversight of gov't is that they see that oversight as undue interference in the exercise of their basic rights, as we have discussed. And they are correct.

Bullsh!t. You have no clue as to the effect what you say has on another person on the Internet, be they American or anyone else. If what you say influences their vote then you have an indrect effect on American policy so quit the bull and let's get to the truth here.

Oh yeah Bill Clinton can't make gun bans stick....but you!!!!! While in therapy, perhaps you should add delusions of grandeur to your discussion list........and something about irrational fear of inanimate objects.:roll:

This obsession you have with American gun shows is really unhealthy.....you should speak to a professional about it.....

Read the initial post. My POINT was that murder rates are the result of culture, not inanimate objects, so I picked two areas with similar populations and culture.....the only difference was the gun laws......try and comprehend that the areas in the USA with the most guns have the lower murder rates, often lower than those in Canada.............you can't disprove that, and it shows your idiotic fear and loathing of a simple machine to be exactly what it is.....psychosis.

No one is murdering anyone else with their culture. Plenty are using handguns though, which you attempt to misdirect and confuse by making up your own bullsh!t charts, with massaged figures and out right lies. Hence the scumbag tag I hang on you.

You are funny. Either people will get guns.....or they will do murder in other ways. Look at murder stats the world over.....you will find very little, if any correlation between gun ownership and murder rates.....Hutus in Rwanda managed to kill 800,000....largely without the use of firearms. And, BTW, you desperation is showing.


Yep Good Luck with that.........why don't you move to Wyoming, and see how far you get????????????:roll:.

Wyoming can kiss my ass. Closing the Gun Show Loophole is the best argument yet to not only, expose the second leading method of criminals disguised as "law abiding gun owners" to sell guns to gangbangers and supply the weapons that end up on the streets of big cities and killing or injuring innocent bystanders, but also take a big bite out of the funds corrupt and imoral gun owners.

Yep, your desperation, your fear, and your obsessiveness, all coming to the fore.......this is the dumbest paragraph in a long series of dumbass posts...........

 

[Niflmir]

I wonder when Colpy will stop being a hypocrite and start clamoring for the dissolution of the motor vehicle registry?