Gun Control is Completely Useless.

[Colpy]

I wonder when Colpy will stop being a hypocrite and start clamoring for the dissolution of the motor vehicle registry?

Tell you what.....I'll go one better! I will support a law that includes firearms in the Motor Vehicle registry........It will be wonderfull!

If I only keep the gun on my property, I don't need to register.

Absolutely no criminal record for ignoring the registry....no chance of jail time.....

If I want to transfer the gun....I just sign the registration and hand the gun over to the new owner....everything else is his problem.

I can skip registering altogether, and pay a small fine if caught.

This is the silliest of comparisons....apples and giraffes sort of thing.

 

[taxslave]

I haven't ben following this thread for a while mostly because no one has added anything new. Still not sure if we are talking about hand guns or long guns. But I would like to put in a comparison to another issue partly because a lot of the players on the left are the same. For about twenty years now we have been fighting with environmentalists for the right to log on the west coast. Lefties being averse to work have lots of time to protest while the rest of us were busy supporting our families. Deals were made. We lost a lot of prime old growth in part because of an NDP government in B.C. that was buying enviro votes at the expense of their union supporters. Short version is that the eccoterrorists would leave the second growth alone since it is allmost all planted. Now that we are logging this wood the same groups are protesting and trying to preserve large areas of second growth, even on private land. Which brings me to my concerns about gunregistry. Some on the left want to remove ALL firearms from private ownership. Automatic weapons have all ready gone from registered to prohibited and were confiscated without compensation. When all guns are registered what is to stop them from simply coming and collecting them? Except of course from the criminals who never registered theirs in the first place.

 

[DaSleeper]

The obvious seems lost on people with an agenda and their blind followers....and also on governments wh*res who cater to them simply to get votes....

 

[CDNBear]

The obvious seems lost on people with an agenda and their blind followers....and also on governments wh*res who cater to them simply to get votes....

Hear, hear!!!

That said, I think I might take the oldest and my PH M82 up to Borden for some long range shooting today...;-)

 

[Machjo]

Simple.

Dump the entire registration system. For all guns.

Throw out the Firearms Act, with it's idiotic and arbitrary classifications...... and it's violations of basic rights.

Introduce a graduated license, one that has several levels, from simple recreational use of long guns to self-defence carry of handguns. Require an increasingly stringent level of training to be eligible for each license level. Have the gov't and the Recreational Firearms Community (RFC) draw up the courses, and leave the training to the RFC. Before people freak over the idea of the RFC doing the training.....who do you think does it now??????? Require the police to do a simple background check before the license earned is issued.

If someone is caught with a weapon and no license, go to jail, go directly to jail, do not pass go......

Simple. Cheap. And as effective as anything else.......

Seems reasonable enough, though I'd probably add that they must officially declare in writing the purpose for which they intend to use the weapon (hunting, self-defense, sport, etc.), and if their intended purpose doesn't seem to jive, then that could reaise alarm bells (e.g. he wants to buy a pistol for 'hunting', or he wants to buy a hunting rifle but doesn't have a driving lisence, doesn't own a car, lives and works in downtown Toronto, and has no hunting buddy). I'm not saying remove weapons from such persons automatically, but it could give clues as to persons in need of further investigation before approving the purchase for example. What would be your thoughts on that?

Of course a criminal could lie, but some criminals are bumb and so they might get caught, and other criminals, even if smart, are in circumstances that make it hard to lie (such as the downtown Toronto scenario above) without first thinking about a good story, or actually going out to make hunting buddies, or getting a driving lisense and buying a truck, etc., a process that could possibly thus discourage them from proceding any further. Legitimate weapons buyers would have no problem with this as their stories would naturally make sense. Though this might not stop many criminals, it woudl stop at least the most obvious ones. What would be your thoughts on that, Colpie or anyone else?

 

[YukonJack]

Here we are, 525 responses to this topic, when should have been enough:

"Gun Control Is Completely Useless"

YEAH, DUH???

 

[taxslave]

uoting Colpy
Simple.

Dump the entire registration system. For all guns.

Throw out the Firearms Act, with it's idiotic and arbitrary classifications...... and it's violations of basic rights.

Introduce a graduated license, one that has several levels, from simple recreational use of long guns to self-defence carry of handguns. Require an increasingly stringent level of training to be eligible for each license level. Have the gov't and the Recreational Firearms Community (RFC) draw up the courses, and leave the training to the RFC. Before people freak over the idea of the RFC doing the training.....who do you think does it now??????? Require the police to do a simple background check before the license earned is issued.

If someone is caught with a weapon and no license, go to jail, go directly to jail, do not pass go......

Simple. Cheap. And as effective as anything else.......
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That I could live with. Other than those of us who grew up with guns should be grandfathered. That and an addition in the charter that a qualified individual has the right to own a registered firearm and the government shall never be able to prohibit private ownership of a registered firearm.

 

[Unforgiven]

No I have never shot anyone, despite being in two situations in which I could legally have done so.......and part of the training I impressed on my students was that you NEVER open fire in a crowd.....you are morally responsible for the effect of every round you let go........besides which, my (quite adequate, thank you) shooting abilities are not the point. What is your point?

Of course you haven't. Gun nuts who talk about everyone having guns are the last to step up and the first to duck and cover. Cowardly and paranoid more than anything else. Putting restriction on private sales like those that make up about half of the sales at gun shows via the gun show loophole will help to reduce guns getting into criminal hands. The point is you and people like you are the problem.

Ha Ha Ha Ha!!! That's hilarious! Were I afraid, I would not have been in the profession.....your desperation is showing. Geezus! Would you have prefered I did shoot the idiot that threatened me with a tire iron when I caught him trying to jimmy the back door of the Brink's truck??? You're a sick man. Seek treatment. BTW What do you do for a living? Sell lingerie? Push a pencil? :lol::lol::lol:

and....You really need to seek professional help about the gun show obsession........

You are afraid. Take away the gun and faced with a guy and a tire iron you would run like hell. You know it and I know it. None of this nor anything else you have posted does anything to refute that criminal gun owners use the gun show loophole and private sales to traffic firearms including handguns to gangsters and criminals. What I do for a living, I'm retired from my career btw, has nothing to do with this.


(sigh) I am CANADIAN! I live in CANADA.....as I assume you do. I can have NO effect on American policy or law. I don't vote there. And the reason AMERICANS want to keep private sales of arms out of the oversight of gov't is that they see that oversight as undue interference in the exercise of their basic rights, as we have discussed. And they are correct.

Bullsh!t. You have no clue as to the effect what you say has on another person on the Internet, be they American or anyone else. If what you say influences their vote then you have an indrect effect on American policy so quit the bull and let's get to the truth here.

Oh yeah Bill Clinton can't make gun bans stick....but you!!!!! While in therapy, perhaps you should add delusions of grandeur to your discussion list........and something about irrational fear of inanimate objects.:roll:

I've not mentioned a gun ban at all nor have I advocated one. You on the other hand have continously said that closing the gun show loophole means a total gun ban and that everyone will be forced into slavery by the government. Clearly you have so much fear that someone might take away your manhood, sorry gun, that you insist on making things up.

This obsession you have with American gun shows is really unhealthy.....you should speak to a professional about it.....

Why because it is something you don't want to talk about and you don't want anyone else to talk about the gun show loophole? Why don't you make an argument to support why you want the US to keep the ability to sell guns to anyone criminals included without a background check, any paper trail at all or the ability to trace the guns back to the owner who traffics them illegally?

Read the initial post. My POINT was that murder rates are the result of culture, not inanimate objects, so I picked two areas with similar populations and culture.....the only difference was the gun laws......try and comprehend that the areas in the USA with the most guns have the lower murder rates, often lower than those in Canada.............you can't disprove that, and it shows your idiotic fear and loathing of a simple machine to be exactly what it is.....psychosis.

No one is murdering anyone else with their culture. Plenty are using handguns though, which you attempt to misdirect and confuse by making up your own bullsh!t charts, with massaged figures and out right lies. Hence the scumbag tag I hang on you.


You are funny. Either people will get guns.....or they will do murder in other ways. Look at murder stats the world over.....you will find very little, if any correlation between gun ownership and murder rates.....Hutus in Rwanda managed to kill 800,000....largely without the use of firearms. And, BTW, you desperation is showing.

Face it with a gun and twenty feet between us you have as much ability as anyone to kill someone like me. Having to get close enough with a tire iron or a machette if you please is a whole different ball game. Cowardly.

Yep Good Luck with that.........why don't you move to Wyoming, and see how far you get????????????:roll:.

Wyoming can kiss my ass. Closing the Gun Show Loophole is the best argument yet to not only, expose the second leading method of criminals disguised as "law abiding gun owners" to sell guns to gangbangers and supply the weapons that end up on the streets of big cities and killing or injuring innocent bystanders, but also take a big bite out of the funds corrupt and imoral gun owners.


Yep, your desperation, your fear, and your obsessiveness, all coming to the fore.......this is the dumbest paragraph in a long series of dumbass posts...........

It should be easy to refute if it's as you say it is, yet here you are with nothing other than insults. If anyone is desperate Colpy, it you.

 

[DaSleeper]

When will you guys quit quoting like SJP.......This is getting confusing as hell:lol:

 

[Ron in Regina]

What is with the Red & Green & Black & Blue & Purple quoting going on here?
It's awkward as Hell to plod through. Is the Quote feature (the real one) not working
for some folks here?

 

[Cliffy]

What is with the Red & Green & Black & Blue & Purple quoting going on here?
It's awkward as Hell to plod through. Is the Quote feature (the real one) not working
for some folks here?

I've always wanted one of those. They would solve an awful lot of problems: Albertans driving in BC, logging and chip truck that cut you off, people racing to get out of the church parking lot, people talking on cell phones when driving... lots of stuff!

 

[Unforgiven]

What is with the Red & Green & Black & Blue & Purple quoting going on here?
It's awkward as Hell to plod through. Is the Quote feature (the real one) not working
for some folks here?

The quote feature works great but Colpy can't figure it out and so makes up his own version for quoting. Hence the coloured text which is confusing and I expect the reason SJP uses it.

I don't know why Colpy and a few others here can't manage to take a couple of minutes out of their day spent here and learn how to use to quote function properly and instead choose to use different colours and make a mess of it.

It wouldn't be at all difficult to write a FAQ on how to use the quote feature or edit multiple quotes or multiple sources into the body of a message but guys like Colpy will read the first sentence and then fire off a reply to the FAQ telling it how it's an idiot and at some point bring in the Second Amendment just for good measure. :roll:

 

[Colpy]

It should be easy to refute if it's as you say it is, yet here you are with nothing other than insults. If anyone is desperate Colpy, it you.

Okay DaSleeper and Ron....I can take a hint

Unforgiven, so far you have called me a liar, reflected on my intelligence, called me paranoid, a criminal, accused me of falsifying research, accused me of aiding and abetting criminal acts, and called me a coward........, and lastly, stated that I am such a moron I am unable to use the quote function properly........:lol:

I have pointed out that you are an obsessive idiot.

If truth is inversely proportional to insult, I win. Hands down.

 

[Unforgiven]

See this tool still can't manage it. Maybe if you draw him some simple pictures, or a map of where to click? :roll:

Okay DaSleeper and Ron....I can take a hint

Unforgiven, so far you have called me a liar, reflected on my intelligence, called me paranoid, a criminal, accused me of falsifying research, accused me of aiding and abetting criminal acts, and called me a coward........, and lastly, stated that I am such a moron I am unable to use the quote function properly........:lol:

I have pointed out that you are an obsessive idiot.

If truth is inversely proportional to insult, I win. Hands down.

You are all that a more I suspect. And again I'll point out that you have not at any point in here addressed the problems that arise from the gun show loophole.

The gun lobby in the US has made sure that criminals can alway get their hands on guns and I suspect made a pretty penny off the trade in illegal gun trafficing.
A reasonable gun owner that actually cares for the the hobby enough to act in a law abiding manner when no one is there to catch them as they do under the microscope would want to make every effort to prevent guns from falling into the hands of gangsters and organized crime.

You have expressed that you want no regulation at all on guns so that anyone and everyone criminal or not can have quick and easy access to them. Hence you sire are a scum bag. You forgot that one, which shows just how addled your feeble old brain has become.

 

[Colpy]

See this tool still can't manage it. Maybe if you draw him some simple pictures, or a map of where to click? :roll:



You are all that a more I suspect. And again I'll point out that you have not at any point in here addressed the problems that arise from the gun show loophole.

The gun lobby in the US has made sure that criminals can alway get their hands on guns and I suspect made a pretty penny off the trade in illegal gun trafficing.
A reasonable gun owner that actually cares for the the hobby enough to act in a law abiding manner when no one is there to catch them as they do under the microscope would want to make every effort to prevent guns from falling into the hands of gangsters and organized crime.

You have expressed that you want no regulation at all on guns so that anyone and everyone criminal or not can have quick and easy access to them. Hence you sire are a scum bag. You forgot that one, which shows just how addled your feeble old brain has become.

Frustrated?????? Take it easy now...:roll:

The point has always been that it is impossible to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. Good Lord man, organized criminals in Japan (the few there are) get guns....on an island with a 400 year history of gun bans.......

And gun ownership is so so much more than a hobby. If you think it is simply a hobby, I suggest you do some historical research on the history of peasant revolts and their demands, on John Locke, on William Blackstone........on the history of the Right to keep Arms. After you are educated, perhaps we can have an adult discussion.

AND I have not said I want no regulation....or should I say that I am quite willing to put up with, and co-operate in a moderate regulatory environment....as I did by instructing the Canadian Firearms Safety Course for several years before 1995. Taxslave quotes my ideal gun control ideas below........

Oh yeah, when I was listing your insults, I forgot scum bag......

 

[Unforgiven]

Frustrated?????? Take it easy now...:roll:

Why because you can't quote? No I laugh at you for it but it doesn't mean I am frustrated.

The point has always been that it is impossible to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. Good Lord man, organized criminals in Japan (the few there are) get guns....on an island with a 400 year history of gun bans.......

This is such bullsh!t. If it were true then prisons would be full of guns. As it is the only time a prisoner gets a gun is if they take it off a guard or buys it off a guard. Either way it's through a gun owner. The reason criminals will always have guns is because gun owners want them to have guns. Gun dealers and gun owners through the gun show loophole are supplying criminals with guns.

And gun ownership is so so much more than a hobby. If you think it is simply a hobby, I suggest you do some historical research on the history of peasant revolts and their demands, on John Locke, on William Blackstone........on the history of the Right to keep Arms. After you are educated, perhaps we can have an adult discussion.

The only revolting peasant here is you.

AND I have not said I want no regulation....or should I say that I am quite willing to put up with, and co-operate in a moderate regulatory environment....as I did by instructing the Canadian Firearms Safety Course for several years before 1995. Taxslave quotes my ideal gun control ideas below........

You're full of it. If there is one major biotch about gun regulations here it's you spud. All you are in favour of are regulations that frustrate any further firearm regulations.

Oh yeah, when I was listing your insults, I forgot scum bag......

Typical scum bag move there toad.

How many times have you responded to the gun show loophole with the right to bear arms? You are a scum bag.

 

[DaSleeper]

I have to admit I’m with Colpy on this…..I’m biased, I have used guns since I was eight and owned guns since I was fifteen and the rules that my father gave me on the farm where we lived still apply today….”Don’t point this thing at anything you don’t intend to shoot and don’t shoot at any living thing if it ain’t food or is not doing you any harm.(we used guns to control predators and pests on the farm)”

Since then, I have hunted with guns, used them for target shooting and a handgun even saved my life while prospecting in the bush against an animal, but of course, the only way to prove it is if I hadn’t fired non?, would I still be here? Would I have done the same thing if it had been a man coming at me? Who knows…. Those rules of my old man would apply…

Now I’m not into the nitpicking and arguing back and forth that is common in in a forum…so I’ll just post my opinion and leave the arguing to the “experts”

Now this idea of changing the laws in the States, a Sovereign Nation, to suit the agenda of one group in Canada, has a fishy smell and doesn’t make any sense to this old farm boy, and these armchair experts that may or may not have fired a firearm in their lives and try to preach to me don’t impress me much…..

I used to work with a fella that was absolutely against guns…until I brought him shooting at the club….now he’s a member and has his own collection..

I don’t mind the rules about safe storage, because I was years ahead of the law on that….common sense …remember?

To finish, ….all these rules are just the product of politicians, trying to get the votes of special interest Liberal groups eg: The spring bear hunt in Ontario (Sorry Bear)

OK folks…Carry On…

 

[Ron in Regina]

Thank You Both for re-using the quote system again. We as Moderators have
had to plod through a ridiculous amount of reported Threads in the last handful
of days....many in the Rainbow hued awkward version of not really quoting....

These last couple of posts are WAY easier to follow. So again, Thank You Both!

Now if you both can keep this civil....that too would be appreciated.

 

[Unforgiven]

I have to admit I’m with Colpy on this…..I’m biased, I have used guns since I was eight and owned guns since I was fifteen and the rules that my father gave me on the farm where we lived still apply today….”Don’t point this thing at anything you don’t intend to shoot and don’t shoot at any living thing if it ain’t food or is not doing you any harm.(we used guns to control predators and pests on the farm)”

Since then, I have hunted with guns, used them for target shooting and a handgun even saved my life while prospecting in the bush against an animal, but of course, the only way to prove it is if I hadn’t fired non?, would I still be here? Would I have done the same thing if it had been a man coming at me? Who knows…. Those rules of my old man would apply…

Now I’m not into the nitpicking and arguing back and forth that is common in in a forum…so I’ll just post my opinion and leave the arguing to the “experts”

Now this idea of changing the laws in the States, a Sovereign Nation, to suit the agenda of one group in Canada, has a fishy smell and doesn’t make any sense to this old farm boy, and these armchair experts that may or may not have fired a firearm in their lives and try to preach to me don’t impress me much…..

I used to work with a fella that was absolutely against guns…until I brought him shooting at the club….now he’s a member and has his own collection..

I don’t mind the rules about safe storage, because I was years ahead of the law on that….common sense …remember?

To finish, ….all these rules are just the product of politicians, trying to get the votes of special interest Liberal groups eg: The spring bear hunt in Ontario (Sorry Bear)

OK folks…Carry On…

Let me ask you this. Should it be legal in Canada for me hold all license requirments and permits to purcahse 150 rifles and 200 handguns for $225,000 and the same day sell them privatly to "this dude" I just met for $375,000 without him producing any identification, any background check or paper trail of the transaction?

Further, does any regulation at all matter to someone who is going to murder a rival gang member in retaliation for the death of a fellow gangster?

Lastly does the DEA working in Canada to change the laws on drugs here bother you any?

 

[Colpy]

This is such bullsh!t. If it were true then prisons would be full of guns. As it is the only time a prisoner gets a gun is if they take it off a guard or buys it off a guard. Either way it's through a gun owner. The reason criminals will always have guns is because gun owners want them to have guns. Gun dealers and gun owners through the gun show loophole are supplying criminals with guns.



The only revolting peasant here is you.



You're full of it. If there is one major biotch about gun regulations here it's you spud. All you are in favour of are regulations that frustrate any further firearm regulations.



Typical scum bag move there toad.

How many times have you responded to the gun show loophole with the right to bear arms? You are a scum bag.

Well, now you are beginning to understand....the only way to prevent criminasls getting guns is to turn society into a prison. Unfortunately, I get the feeling you think that is a viable option........not that i'm surprized........

Oh cute! Revolting peasant! Oh I do so love elitist lefties...:lol::lol::roll:8O Oh, :lol:and you've never heard of Locke, Blackstone, etc...have you????

No, I support a new Firearms Act, based on the Practical Firearms Control ideas put out by the NFA...... I once worked with the Firearms bureaucracy....no more.

Yes....I do respond with the Second Amendment argument, as it is very relevant....in the USA.....I would prefer to discuss gun control in Canada.....The US debate is too easy.......Second Amendment is the Ace of Trump........