Early Christmas? Wishful thinking? Or maybe like Sir Pompass; can't figure out how to push the quote button?What is with the Red & Green & Black & Blue & Purple quoting going on here?
It's awkward as Hell to plod through. Is the Quote feature (the real one) not working
for some folks here?
Gun Control is Completely Useless.
- Thread starter Colpy
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Now, that was funny. lmao
Oh, sorry. I suppose you're still toting grudges around with you. I will try not to laugh at the funny things you say.:-?
I was the first to bring up the second amendment with this
above after the quote.
Nobody batted an eye...oh well.:-(
above after the quote.
Nobody batted an eye...oh well.:-(
... or have some gov't dildo turn us into criminals just by changing the rules. That's it in a nutshell.
I rolled my eyes about the last sentence in it, Ron. Does that count?I was the first to bring up the second amendment with this
above after the quote.
Nobody batted an eye...oh well.:-(
Well you have to realize that although I think I should be able to buy whatever drugs I might desire, I don't think I should be able to buy them as easily as I pick up a carton of milk. So there is no real hypocrisy: I want them both regulated and not criminalized. Further, I do not argue for the legalization of drugs or the regulation of weapons based on rights arguments, but rather use social impact arguments. All this is to say, there is no hypocrisy.
Second, the only purpose of a gun, the thing it was designed to do, is to kill something. A handgun especially was designed to kill a human, in close quarters. That is not something which should be taken lightly. That makes them quite a different thing from drugs, whose purpose is to alter consciousness to some degree, and not to kill something. From making a person more awake (caffeine), to relaxing nerves (nicotine, valium in small doses), to inducing euphoria (alcohol, marijuana, cocaine, etc.) or hallucinations (mushrooms, LSD, mescaline). Although marijuana is quite dysphoric for some people, including myself. Depending on its effects, more or less regulating is required, as seen by the varying regulations on the first four examples. There is more inherent harm in weapons (by design) than drugs.
The sad thing, for me, is that it would be exceedingly easy for me to possess something like a handgun in Canada, and I do not care at all. While, something I do care about, a morning star, is completely illegal. Similarly, it is illegal to own nunchaku in Canada. Period, end of story, you cannot get a permit, you cannot pass through the country, you cannot even use them in sport. Why? Because these are weapons designed to kill people. Sigh.
Because that's what you're looking to do.
This is true.
There are all sorts of differences, perceptions and opinions. We've just seen about all of them play out in this waltz of words.
I find myself siding with Colpy on a few levels, and I don't even rifle hunt. I do however own a few. All of which are for distance shooting. One of which, could be used at distances exceeding 1000m. Which I have been reluctant to discuss in the past, due to the fact that I was in breach of the LGR. I am no longer in breach, therefore, more open about it. Where Colpy and I differ is on hand guns and I believe automatic weapons.
But the laws don't just target those weapons, they target all of them.
You should be.
I agree, but we're not in the US.
No it won't, but I still agree, somewhat. I'll sight Vermont, with the most lax gun laws in the US, as a prime example of how your train of thought is flawed.
BS. Considering the bulk of the weapons seized by law enforcement are stolen weapns.
Do I f!ckin smell or something!!!??? WTF?
Yep!!!
May I ask why you rolled your eyes?
Every weapon has three safeties. 1, your head. 2) Your finger. 3) The one on the weapon. If the first safety isn't working, the other three are useless.
It's official, your cheese has officially hit the floor.
Depends on if the gun maker took any measure to see that the person it was sold to was entitled to have and use the weapon. Handing it off to some dude in a parking lot for twice your asking price, then yeah charged right along side of the murderer.
Ummm, you need to be licensed to purchase weapons from the manufacturer. If you have a license, then the convening authority is responsible to ensure you are qualified, not the manufacturer.
Manufacturers do not sell weapons in parking lots to people with no paper work.
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Says you. Of course you couldn't knock down my Cannabis decrim argument in a month of Sundays so you have to change my argument to something you can get a foot hold with. Dance my furry little friend dance. :lol:
Of course it's true, that's why I said it. You know that it's apples and oranges that you are trying to compare here and while it would likely mow down some people, I've watched you too long to make any misteps here.
Yeah thanks, and what's the weather like there?
So how do you feel about the gun show loophole in the US? Do you feel that any regulations can be made that will reduce the number of people harmed or killed while anyone can simply go over the border, buy guns, no questions asked and then just return back into Canada without anyone even giving them the once over?
Show me the gun that I can put to the back of your head and unload the clip without it killing or injuring you and I'll show you the gun that needs no regulation.
But then that wouldn't be reality would it. It's time to stop playing games with gun regulation. We need to put an end to the careless and needless distribution system that allows for, even promotes guns being sold to criminals without the ability to trace all transactions. Closing the gun show loophole will help with that.
Look around the world, American weapons have an impact outside the US. Canada is affected by the laws that are governing the American people and so we as Canadians need to speak up about them.
Vermont needs to change too. Any State that allows a gun to pass from one person to another without question is part of the problem.
[/quote]BS. Considering the bulk of the weapons seized by law enforcement are stolen weapns.[/quote]
Any weapon not in the pocession of the original purchaser, that is found at a crime scene or recovered is claimed to be stolen. How many claim that they didn't know the weapon was stolen or that they didn't bother to report it stolen? At least as many as criminals in jail claiming they're innocent.
The fact is that the less opportunity that someone has to get ahold of something, the less opportuinty they have to use it against you.
Hell yeah! Let's do it! Maybe a lunch or something? You and SCB up for a road trip to Hogtown?
Just like the gun show loophole. Doesn't matter how many regulations you have if you're going to hand out guns to anyone no questions asked.
Besides the fact that I have no reason to, as you are well aware, to knock down your "pot platform", I don't dance.
My point is, you are in fact actively seeking to legal a drug, drugs if you will. As you platform includes cannabis derivatives, non?
:lol:
I'm a switch hitter Unf, never make assumptions.
I agree that a gun is far more dangerous then cannabis. The point I was making, and this is not apples to oranges, this is a simple fact. The very same people that seem most adamant about gun control are the same people that endorse legalized drugs and condemn the slippery slope of infringed upon liberties.
It's great, but that to is a matter of differing perceptions. Muz may disagree.
It doesn't impress me. But that's my opinion.
No. So long as, and for the same reasons you have used to support your legalization of drugs, no. People, no matter the regulations, will acquire the weapons they need to either make themselves stronger, or to assist in the commission of a crime. That's a fact. Look at England.
Show me a farmer in rural Ontario that has owned a weapon since he was 5, that is a threat to the streets of Tdot. Stop being silly.
Why not? The world is changing. The disenfranchised feel helpless. It's only a matter of time before we see more lawlessness.
Minutely. Another avenue will soon be found to replace it. Vaccums are always filled.
I agree, but you're treading on another country's constitution. Would you feel offended if the Americans were to tread upon ours?
I agree.
That's not fact. In Canada that is almost unheard of.
This is not altogether true.
You bet.
Manufacturers don't. It's as simple as that.
Right, and so the gun manufacturer checks out the purchaser's paperwork to see that it's in order and submits it to the regulating authorities to show that the transaction is legit. That would be the taking measures to ensure the buyer is entitled to purchase.
Failing to do that which results in a crime being comitted, the manufacturer should be not only charged with failure to follow the regulations but also for the crime that was comitted.
I see that your eyes keep rolling back into your head. Is my dick in too deep biotch?
Even if it was handed off to a qualified distributer the gunmaker must be charged with the murder as well
Ummm, ya. But that's not what you're talking about.
Yes. The purchaser must be a licensed distributor to purchase weapons from a manufacturer. Manufacturers do not sell to the general public.
Yer one sick puppy Unf. I'll be wearing my Doc dome when we meet up, lol.I see that your eyes keep rolling back into your head. Is my dick in too deep biotch?
:lol:
Dude, stop it, you'll never be able to put your cheese back on your cracker if you smear it into the linoleum.
There is nothing attractive about legalizing Cannibis at this point in Canada. Hard to say if that will ever change. While we could get into pages upon pages of Cannibis related issues, they have nothing to do with gun control nor the gun show loophole.
No you're not. :lol:
Moot point. They are the same people who can be catigorized into alsorts of pidgeon holes but that still has nothing at all to do with this topic.
Stopping people from trafficing guns to organized crime is a concern for everyone.
No that you could show a corelation between the two in any meaningful way, you're welcome to try. Perhaps start a new thread.
Maybe but he doesn't frequent this site afaik and so has little bearing on this topic. Perhaps I was being too vague?
The gun show loophole doesn't impress you? I'm sorry I don't understand what you mean.
Again I don't nor have I ever supported legalization of drugs. Decrim for Cannibis and some other drugs that allow for harm reduction I am in favour of but not legalization as I have said before.
I find it strange that you are now coming out as infavour of harsh jail terms for even personal use of Cannibis. What with the position you seemed to take before when the issue was being discussed. Oh well neither here nor there in the gun control thread where the gun show loophole that allows anyone to buy a gunno questions asked is the focus.
I think it's time for you to go back on the decaf son, yer starting to get all jittery and jumping to conclusions.
Is it just that arguing your pro gun show loophole position is posing a difficult challenge for you mate?
Well it's true that so called law abiding gun owners can be a wiley lot but I find that those who choose to use the cracks in the system to get around regulation, like what's happening with the gun show loophole, they fail to think far enough ahead to avoid the eventual reprocussions. And so it is that as the regulations for guns need to be adjusted to meet the changes that come with time, rather than falling back on the traditional second amendment argument to support putting guns into criminal hands.
I'm not treading on any countries constitution. I am and have pointed out where the actual problem is and how the harm it causes can be reduced without inhibiting legit gun owners from having or enjoying their hobby. In contrast things like threatening Canada with economic retaliation for the libralization of a drug like Cannabis is in fact treading on my country's Charter, which I do take offense to. America needs to make changes and legit gun owners should be first and foremost in bringing about the changes in a meaningful and timely manner to allow for their hobby to be protected while being safe for the rest of the population.
Nice, then stand up and say something.
heh heh nice try. Of course if it's sold under the table in the US through the gun show loophole it can be said that the gun was stolen some time ago. Jurisdiction can be used to hamper investigation especially when some have motivation to keep something like the gun show loophole open.
Sure it is.
I'll pm you later and we can set things up.
They do to dealers and dealers sell to buyers who can sell or give or trade a handgun to anyone they like without question or paper trail in many US states, like Vermont because of the gun show loophole. This is the reason that it needs to be closed.