Gun Control is Completely Useless.

[DaSleeper]

Let me ask you this. Should it be legal in Canada for me hold all license requirments and permits to purcahse 150 rifles and 200 handguns for $225,000 and the same day sell them privatly to "this dude" I just met for $375,000 without him producing any identification, any background check or paper trail of the transaction?

It shouldn't be and it isn't...

Further, does any regulation at all matter to someone who is going to murder a rival gang member in retaliation for the death of a fellow gangster?

Rhetorical question....

Lastly does the DEA working in Canada to change the laws on drugs here bother you any?

It does.....

Since we're on apples and oranges....what does this have to do with "Gun Control is useless in Canada"
I don't tell my neighbor when to cut his grass, and he doesn't tell me which color to paint my house and we get along fine.:lol:

 

[Unforgiven]

Where's my Christmas Homes?

 

[Ron in Regina]

Is this Christmas in Los Angelas? That would explain the LAPD going for larger
weapons to even out the odds....

 

[Colpy]

Where's my Christmas Homes?

Funny...."assault" weapons are (unconstitutionally) banned in California.......

Is this further south? Mexico, which has a de-facto gun ban? And a murder rate 5 times that of the USA???? Very few blacks, either.... LOL

 

[Unforgiven]

Well, now you are beginning to understand....the only way to prevent criminasls getting guns is to turn society into a prison. Unfortunately, I get the feeling you think that is a viable option........not that i'm surprized........

But you're claim that you can't stop someone from getting a gun is false.
It is possible to stop people from getting their hands on guns or at least limit the hell out of that by regulating. But it no regulation will work if you also allow someone to buy a gun and turn around and sell it to a gangster without any regulation what so ever. That's what exisits in many States right now. That coupled with our porous border makes any regulations futile. Yet you, like a vocal minority of Americans, refuse to even entertain the thought of closing the gun show loophole.

Oh cute! Revolting peasant! Oh I do so love elitist lefties...:lol::lol::roll:8O Oh, :lol:and you've never heard of Locke, Blackstone, etc...have you????

This isn't the 1700s. This is here and now. Closing the gun show loophole isn't going to subvert the liberty of Americans nor allow the British to invade and reclaim the colonies. Live in the present Colpy.

No, I support a new Firearms Act, based on the Practical Firearms Control ideas put out by the NFA...... I once worked with the Firearms bureaucracy....no more.

So what do all the regulations in the world do if I can legally sell some guy a handgun no questions asked?

Yes....I do respond with the Second Amendment argument, as it is very relevant....in the USA.....I would prefer to discuss gun control in Canada.....The US debate is too easy.......Second Amendment is the Ace of Trump........

But there are states that have regulations regarding gun dealers that have a much lower amount of gun trafficing that states without or less regulation of gun dealers.

According to the ATF 85% of guns recovered from criminals were originally purchased by someone else.

The Second Amendment doesn't support selling guns to criminals.

 

[Unforgiven]

It shouldn't be and it isn't...

But why, why shoudn't it be allowed in Canada?

Rhetorical question....

Sure but this is who can buy a gun without question just over the border.

It does.....

So if another country is working in your country to change the laws of your country to be more like their country, and it bothers you, what do you do about it?
In your arm chair and all.

Since we're on apples and oranges....what does this have to do with "Gun Control is useless in Canada" I don't tell my neighbor when to cut his grass, and he doesn't tell me which color to paint my house and we get along fine.:lol:

It has to do with the topic because the gun show loophole in the US is how many trafficed hand guns get into criminal hands and into Canada. Closing that loophole in the US, that doesn't restrict anyone there who is legally allowed to have a gun, helps to reduce the problem of innocent bystanders getting killed or injured in Canada by gangsters with handguns and restricted weapons.

 

[Unforgiven]

Is this Christmas in Los Angelas? That would explain the LAPD going for larger
weapons to even out the odds....

Worse this is M 13. A gang that started in Central America that are so bad they have to have their own prison which they run.

They kill Blacks and Anglos because they are Blacks and Anglos. They blow up bus loads of people just to show that the police don't have control, they do. They're in Canada too now and understand that you can get one guy who is squeeky clean to get a gun dealer license and then traffic guns to gangsters through straw purcahses.

While you seem to think the idea is to keep guns away from hobby shooters and fanciers, I want to make it more difficult for guys like this to get their hands on them.

 

[Unforgiven]

Funny...."assault" weapons are (unconstitutionally) banned in California.......

Is this further south? Mexico, which has a de-facto gun ban? And a murder rate 5 times that of the USA???? Very few blacks, either.... LOL

This is what they do in Mexico.

Automatic weapons are availabe in plenty of states. Do you fell that a law that prohibits transport over State lines is enough to prevent the guys that did this from taking automatic weapons to California?

 

[Colpy]

Worse this is M 13. A gang that started in Central America that are so bad they have to have their own prison which they run.

They kill Blacks and Anglos because they are Blacks and Anglos. They blow up bus loads of people just to show that the police don't have control, they do. They're in Canada too now and understand that you can get one guy who is squeeky clean to get a gun dealer license and then traffic guns to gangsters through straw purcahses.

While you seem to think the idea is to keep guns away from hobby shooters and fanciers, I want to make it more difficult for guys like this to get their hands on them.

Sincerely, Good Luck!!!!!

The problem is, they get them in all the Central American countries, don't they????

You should check the gun laws in Mexico and points south......

 

[Unforgiven]

Sincerely, Good Luck!!!!!

The problem is, they get them in all the Central American countries, don't they????

You should check the gun laws in Mexico and points south......

Yeah it's really terrible in the Congo too dumbass but that doesn't have the same affect in the streets of Toronto that the gun show loophole does.

 

[DaSleeper]

But why, why shoudn't it be allowed in Canada?

If it isn't, why worry about why it shouldn't

Sure but this is who can buy a gun without question just over the border.

I should infringe upon another's sovereignty to make my job easier? Stop him at the bloody border for Pete's sake

So if another country is working in your country to change the laws of your country to be more like their country, and it bothers you, what do you do about it?
In your arm chair and all.

Is it the apple or the orange answer you need:lol:

It has to do with the topic because the gun show loophole in the US is how many trafficed hand guns get into criminal hands and into Canada. Closing that loophole in the US, that doesn't restrict anyone there who is legally allowed to have a gun, helps to reduce the problem of innocent bystanders getting killed or injured in Canada by gangsters with handguns and restricted weapons.

It's their loop hole...if it is so..
their law to change if they can...
Good luck with that can of worm....
And change that CD if you can....that song is giving me a headache

 

[CDNBear]

Anybody else wonder why it is, those that support the legalization of drugs, complain about the slippery slope of rights being infringed for our security, are also the same people that love really tight gun control laws?

I confused by the monumental hypocrisy.

 

[Unforgiven]

If it isn't, why worry about why it shouldn't

So that you understand why it shouldn't be. Do you accept that something is as it should be because the government tells you so?

I should infringe upon another's sovereignty to make my job easier? Stop him at the bloody border for Pete's sake

Ah but to stop him at the border would mean making the border like the US Mexican border. It would take thousands of people, billions of dollars and still leave areas where the border could not be closed should the need be.

Why is that easier than closing the gun show loop hole that allows anyone to sell or buy a gun no questions asked?

Is it the apple or the orange answer you need:lol:

Simple, the right answer is all I ask for.

It's their loop hole...if it is so..
their law to change if they can...
Good luck with that can of worm....
And change that CD if you can....that song is giving me a headache

Right but to understand it is to know if it needs to be changed or not. And so it has to be discussed first. Since none of you princes of the piss.. piss... pistoliers
has a reasonable argument against allowing someone to buy a gun no questions asked just over the border, I think it's a good position to argue the point from.

Imagine the headache that would be yours if you had to bury your 15 year old kid shot in downtown Toronto while shopping on boxing day.

 

[Unforgiven]

Anybody else wonder why it is, those that support the legalization of drugs, complain about the slippery slope of rights being infringed for our security, are also the same people that love really tight gun control laws?

I confused by the monumental hypocrisy.

Ever wonder why it is that you can write volumes on decriminalization over prohibition or legalization and still people tell you that you want to legalize drugs?

What's more no matter how hard I tried I couldn't kill you with all the Cannabis in the world. Yet with a little old handgun that I can buy no questions asked just across the border would drop you like so much laundry in a dufflebag. Hell I wouldn't even have to stand up or use two hands to put a big guy like you on your back or worse on your knees.

That's the difference.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Imagine the headache that would be yours if you had to bury your 15 year old kid shot in downtown Toronto while shopping on boxing day.

Imagine the headache that would be yours if you had to bury your 15 year old kid shot in
your own home during a home invasion by some Jabroni with an illegal weapon while you
have had your right to defend your Family legislated away from you. The slippery slope that
comes with well intentioned beginnings to infringements of individual rights

 

[Unforgiven]

Imagine the headache that would be yours if you had to bury your 15 year old kid shot in your own home during a home invasion by some Jabroni with an illegal weapon while you have had your right to defend your Family legislated away from you. The slippery slope that comes with well intentioned beginnings to infringements of individual rights

And if you're not Mad Max?

Closing the gun show loophole won't stop a single legal gun buyer from buying a gun. It won't stop anyone who is allowed to have a gun in their home to have that gun. It will help to reduce the amount of guns trafficed to criminals and organized crime. Thus the chances of your home being invaded by someone with a firearm are reduced without restricting the rights of legitimate guns owners.

 

[DaSleeper]

I said a while ago, I wouldn't get into nitpicking, and I gotta admit Unforgiven...you're good..:smile: you sucked me into it...:lol:...


But you know something??? Whether you're right and I'm wrong or I'm right and you're wrong.....A week from now...or the one after...when I'm in Toronto...I'm willing to meet you somewhere for coffee or a beer.....and to show my good faith, Ill even let you frisk me for weapons...as long as you don't take so long at it that I start enjoying it.....

 

[Unforgiven]

I said a while ago, I wouldn't get into nitpicking, and I gotta admit Unforgiven...you're good..:smile: you sucked me into it...:lol:...

Come on you know you like it.

But you know something??? Whether you're right and I'm wrong or I'm right and you're wrong.....A week from now...or the one after...when I'm in Toronto...I'm willing to meet you somewhere for coffee or a beer.....and to show my good faith, Ill even let you frisk me for weapons...as long as you don't take so long at it that I start enjoying it.....

Hey right on! I'll see if Muz can join us. Having missed you a couple of times, this one for sure. pm me the details of when you're here once you have them sorted and we'll make it happen.

 

[taxslave]

While you seem to think the idea is to keep guns away from hobby shooters and fanciers, I want to make it more difficult for guys like this to get their hands on them.

This is what we all want. Some of us just don't want to loose ours in the process.

 

[Unforgiven]

This is what we all want. Some of us just don't want to loose ours in the process.

You would think this is what we all want, but as Colpy here has shown, we all don't want the same thing.

I don't want anyone who is going to enjoy and use firearms in a responsible and safe manner to lose out on any aspect of ownership but because a firearms, especially handguns can be so easily concealed and so damn dangerous in the wrong hands, the ability to purchase them, sell them and trade them in any manner can be traced so that those who would put them into the hands of criminals can be removed from society with the one who does the shooting until they are no longer a danger to anyone.

Closing the gun show loophole will help with that.