Gun Control is Completely Useless.

ironsides

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So if you can't sell a gun on the black market then you can't have a gun? You shouldn't have a gun at all if that's the case. It's not about cars or drivers. Pay attention. It's about the gun show loop hole and why these self procalimed law abiding gun owners want a loophole int he law that allows the sale of handguns to criminals without any paper trail.


First of all no one wants a loophole in the law that allows anyone to sell a handgun to a criminal. If I want to sell a gun to my neighbor gun show whatever, what business is it of the goverment. It is not a "gun show" loophole. It was not a mistake, it was omitted to get the law passed and allow people to deal in guns on a personal basis has they have for years.

"It's about the gun show loop hole and why these self procalimed law abiding gun owners want a loophole int he law that allows the sale of handguns to criminals without any paper trail."


People from other countries are used to having the goverment do things for them, more prone to listen to anyone in authority without question, easier to manipulate so to speak. Paper trails end with original owner unless the firearm is sold back to a retailer. We do not trust goverment with our personal lives. We are just simple independent folks.
 

AnnaG

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AnnaG: The gun show "loophole" is in the states, another Country, ......
We're concerned with closing loopholes in some other country? lmao When thieves can steal military and police equipment in either country I can't see how explaining to the other country how it should close loopholes for criminals buying guns would make a difference. Even if you managed to convince all 48 independent states that they should even try.
I think I'll go buy THE winning ticket to the $1.78 trillion (US currency even) grand prize lottery I heard about on Mars. Realistic?
 
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Unforgiven

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You would like our government to apply pressure to the states to have them change the gun laws.......yet perish the thought if in turn they would ask us to have stricter control on drug laws.......Hmmmm.....your enjoyment of life versus my sport.....

Closing this loophole wouldn't stop a single legal gun owner from owning and enjoying their hobby. I would point out that your conservative government did in fact invoke stricter control on drug laws. Again all the Cannabis in the world never killed anyone.
 

AnnaG

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Closing this loophole wouldn't stop a single legal gun owner from owning and enjoying their hobby. I would point out that your conservative government did in fact invoke stricter control on drug laws. Again all the Cannabis in the world never killed anyone.
Neither did ALL the guns.
 

Unforgiven

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Well, perhaps if you were clear, like in this post, people wouldn't argue as much with you.
As it stands however, Alan ROCKhead's "gun control" does nothing to ensure the safety of ANYONE and doesn't address this "loophole" either. As soon as you have illegal guns in the country, the "loophole" is moot. Criminals get guns from the States, wherever they can steal them from, and wherever they can find them however they can find them. Spending 2.5 billion dollars did not do anything they said it would do. They'd have better remedied things by addressing your "loopholes" individually in the legislature. It'd be adding more laws and whatnot that criminals would ignore, but that's what criminals do and it would at least plug a hole that some lawyer would use to defend the criminal if it did get caught. It would do nothing to keep anyone safe.

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It happens in Canada, too.

It doesn't matter what laws we make in Canada. In the US you can sell a gun to anyone without the provision of any identification or background check. Closing this loophole would save lives, yet so called law abiding gun owners and "others" choose to make sure this loophole stays open.
 

Unforgiven

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First of all no one wants a loophole in the law that allows anyone to sell a handgun to a criminal. If I want to sell a gun to my neighbor gun show whatever, what business is it of the goverment. It is not a "gun show" loophole. It was not a mistake, it was omitted to get the law passed and allow people to deal in guns on a personal basis has they have for years.

It also is a major avenue for legal guns to be sold for huge profit to criminals. Legal gun owners could always sell or trade legal guns openly with each other without this loophole. Women were not allowed to vote for years. Blacks were kept as property for years. Tradition has no standing in this as it has no standing in those issues either.



People from other countries are used to having the goverment do things for them, more prone to listen to anyone in authority without question, easier to manipulate so to speak. Paper trails end with original owner unless the firearm is sold back to a retailer. We do not trust goverment with our personal lives. We are just simple independent folks.

Bull****. America is full of regulations and people live within them just fine.
 

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It doesn't matter what laws we make in Canada. In the US you can sell a gun to anyone without the provision of any identification or background check. Closing this loophole would save lives, yet so called law abiding gun owners and "others" choose to make sure this loophole stays open.
You are assuming that anyone who buys a gun in the US intends to kill someone with it.
As has been said before, if criminals want guns and can't buy them, they will manufacture the guns themselves. But you go right ahead and convince 48 States to enact your law if you want.
 

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I can't believe you are seriously going to say that if you legalized drugs violence would go down, but then say you also need to ban guns.

Which is it, are people killing each other because they have access to guns or over drug money, because if its over money then whether or not they have guns won't impact if they kill people. Guns and Bombs are easy to make, bombs are easier to make than it is to grow drugs. Hell its easy to accidentally make a deadly bomb if you aren't careful with cleaning supplies.

People either have liberty or they don't. And all liberty has always come from the barrel of a gun (or tip of a sword) either yours or someone elses.

If the majority of society are law abiding and trustworthy citizens then you will always be stronger in an armed society. If the majority of people are not law abiding trust worthy citizens, you shouldn't be in a democracy.

Anyone you can't trust with a gun, you can't trust with a vote. If they are too unstable and dangerous to handle a firearm, they are too unstable and dangerous to get a vote.
 

ironsides

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I can't believe you are seriously going to say that if you legalized drugs violence would go down, but then say you also need to ban guns.

Which is it, are people killing each other because they have access to guns or over drug money, because if its over money then whether or not they have guns won't impact if they kill people. Guns and Bombs are easy to make, bombs are easier to make than it is to grow drugs. Hell its easy to accidentally make a deadly bomb if you aren't careful with cleaning supplies.

People either have liberty or they don't. And all liberty has always come from the barrel of a gun (or tip of a sword) either yours or someone elses.

If the majority of society are law abiding and trustworthy citizens then you will always be stronger in an armed society. If the majority of people are not law abiding trust worthy citizens, you shouldn't be in a democracy.

Anyone you can't trust with a gun, you can't trust with a vote. If they are too unstable and dangerous to handle a firearm, they are too unstable and dangerous to get a vote.


There, you have said it all, nothing more to be said. Very well put Zzarchov.
 

Unforgiven

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I can't believe you are seriously going to say that if you legalized drugs violence would go down, but then say you also need to ban guns.

Maybe it's a reading comprehension issue for you then. If you read what was posted you will find that I have never advocated for drugs to be legalized. Or is it that you have such a difficult time refuting my argument that you have to make up something and atribute it to me?

Decriminalizing Cannabis would take the profit out of the sale of the drug. That drug profit being the back bone funding of organized crime which is the main contributor to gun violence on Toronto streets. No it wouldn't reduce violence, it would reduce gun deaths.

Which is it, are people killing each other because they have access to guns or over drug money, because if its over money then whether or not they have guns won't impact if they kill people. Guns and Bombs are easy to make, bombs are easier to make than it is to grow drugs. Hell its easy to accidentally make a deadly bomb if you aren't careful with cleaning supplies.

I wonder why the few of you are working so hard to make this a confused issue?
No one kills someone else because they have access to guns. Someone who wants to kill someone else, has a much easier time of it if they have a gun. That's pretty simple to understand isn't it? Maybe not for these so called law abiding gun owners.

People either have liberty or they don't. And all liberty has always come from the barrel of a gun (or tip of a sword) either yours or someone elses.

This sounds like a bunch of chest thumping bull****. Like Colpy admitted, should the police show up at his place, he isn't going to fire shot one at them. They can walk in, take all his guns and leave without him raising a finger to stop them.

Liberty doesn't come from the false sense of security you keep in the closet. It comes from the heart of those who are willing to trade their life for it.

If the majority of society are law abiding and trustworthy citizens then you will always be stronger in an armed society. If the majority of people are not law abiding trust worthy citizens, you shouldn't be in a democracy.

What do you call those who would choose to keep a loophole that allows for handguns to be sold to criminals?

Anyone you can't trust with a gun, you can't trust with a vote. If they are too unstable and dangerous to handle a firearm, they are too unstable and dangerous to get a vote.

You can vote for whatever you like all day long and your vote isn't going to do even a smidgen of the damage one bullet fired into a crowd will do.

Closing the gun show loophole isn't going to affect any "legal gun owners" ability to buy or own guns. What it will do is expose those who will sell guns to criminals the end up killing or injuring an innocent bystander.

Kind of like a priest being vehemently against an international pedophile registry. Can't be too many reasons for that.
 

Unforgiven

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Late on the posts, but one thing is certain:

Gun control, IS useless.

The only gun control is a steady hand!!!

Horse sh!t. Too long have so called "law abiding gun owners" been able to sell guns to criminals without reprocussion. Years have passed where simple cooperation could have prevented guns from falling into criminal hands. The only opposition to this comes from a vocal minority who could prevent drastic changes to the legality of gun ownership by being part of the solution. Now it's time for the rest of us to join together and counter the lobbists in Washington who, with the financial contributions of those gun owners who want to sell guns under the table to criminals. The root of the problem lays in the US and that is where it's going to start to be resolved.