Gun Control is Completely Useless.

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I did that once, fooling around with a M1, I filed down the sear in the trigger housing group. Aside for a lot of push ups, they made me pay for it. (what did a Private know in 1959) :lol:

I didn't file anything off. I think that gun just had too many rounds fired through it.
The mechanism was such that a little hook caught the hammer when the block was blown back by the firing process. The block then carried the new cartridge into the chamber and you were ready to fire again. The problem was that the little hook got worn and it would sometimes let the hammer snap forward and fire a new round without pulling the trigger and it would keep on firing till it was caught properly. You didn't stand in front of that stupid gun if it was loaded...;-)
 

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The reason that people cry out that closing the "gun show loophole" is a violation of their Second Amendmend rights is because.....it is simply the government sticking its oversized nose into a private transaction between two people excercising their rights.......it IS a violation, as are the great majority of other gun control laws in the USA..........which is obvious to anyone that can read without bias.....which does NOT include Supreme Court justices....

AND....might I point out the unholy howl that would arise from Canadian throats if the Americans DARED suggest we adjust our Charter to better suit their tastes......

If you want to slow the US flow of guns north, you'll have to try and do it at the border....Good Luck with that......but the US Bill of Rights has not changed in 230 years.....and it isn't about to change anytime soon.

Get used to it.

See this is what I mean. So what that it's a major contributor to getting guns into the hands of criminals. So what if you can get a gun if you are legally allowed to, other ways.

So what if people are getting killed, I want my enjoyment anyway.

That's the problem.

What it leads to in my opinion is either a split in a country to the point of seceding or one group takes over the whole place to the detriment of the other.
In this case it's only a matter of demonizing gun owners as a group. Once done, politicians are easily swayed.

So maybe it's just a matter of showing gun owners in a certain light.
 

DaSleeper

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Colpy:What was the name of that little semi auto 22 ....years ago.........It fired from an open action....no firing pin per say...just a vertical ridge on the bolt face....I had one in the '60s but can't remember the name
 

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Sorry Colpy...A little bit of digging and I found what I needed...It was a Gevarm takedown model... a couple of years after I had it I traded it for a 308 Savage. .
Now I wish I had kept it:-(
 

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U.S. FIREARMS REFRESHER COURSE


1. "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~Thomas Jefferson

2. Those who trade liberty for security have neither. ~John Adams

3. Free men do not ask permission to bear arms.
4. An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.
5. Only a government that is afraid of its citizens tries to control them.

6.. Gun control is not about guns; it's about control.
7. You only have the rights you are willing to fight for.
8. Know guns, know peace, know safety. No guns, no peace, no safety.
9. You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.
10. Assault is a behavior, not a device.
11. 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.
12. The United States Constitution (c) 1791. All Rights Reserved.

13. The Second Amendment is in place in case the politicians ignore the others.

14. What part of 'shall not be infringed' do you NOT understand?

15. Guns have only two enemies; rust and politicians.


16. When you remove the people's right to bear arms, you create slaves.

 

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Enjoy your hobby, someone is paying for it.

 

DaSleeper

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40 Reasons to Support Gun Control
(Apparently derived from the essay by Michael Z. Williamson.)
(Also known as the proof positive that Liberals are not just stupid, but insane.)

1. Banning guns works, which is why New York, DC, and Chicago cops need guns.
2. Washington DC's low murder rate of 80.6 per 100,000 is due to strict gun control, and Arlington, VA's high murder rate of 1.6 per 100,000 is due to the lack of gun control.
3. Statistics showing high murder rates justify gun control but statistics showing increasing murder rates after gun control are "just statistics."
4. The Brady Bill and the Assault Weapons Ban, both of which went into effect in 1994, are responsible for the decrease in violent crime rates, which have been declining since 1991.
5. We must get rid of guns because a deranged lunatic may go on a shooting spree at any time and anyone who would own a gun out of fear of such a lunatic is paranoid.
6. The more helpless you are the safer you are from criminals.
7. An intruder will be incapacitated by tear gas or oven spray, but if shot with a .357 Magnum will get angry and kill you.
8. A woman raped and strangled is morally superior to a woman with a smoking gun and a dead rapist at her feet.
9. When confronted by violent criminals, you should "put up no defense — give them what they want, or run" (Handgun Control Inc. Chairman Pete Shields, Guns Don't Die - People Do, 1981, p. 125).
10. The New England Journal of Medicine is filled with expert advice about guns; just like Guns and Ammo has some excellent treatises on heart surgery.
11. One should consult an automotive engineer for safer seatbelts, a civil engineer for a better bridge, a surgeon for spinal paralysis, a computer programmer for Y2K problems, and Sarah Brady [or Sheena Duncan, Adele Kirsten, Peter Storey, etc.] for firearms expertise.
12. The 2nd Amendment, ratified in 1791, refers to the National Guard, which was created by an act of Congress in 1903.
13. The National Guard, funded by the federal government, occupying property leased to the federal government, using weapons owned by the federal government, punishing trespassers under federal law, is a state militia.
14. These phrases," right of the people peaceably to assemble," "right of the people to be secure in their homes," "enumeration's herein of certain rights shall not be construed to disparage others retained by the people," and "The powers not delegated herein are reserved to the states respectively, and to the people," all refer to individuals, but "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" refers to the state.
15. We don't need guns against an oppressive government, because the Constitution has internal safeguards, but we should ban and seize all guns, thereby violating the 2nd, 4th, and 5th amendments to that Constitution.
16. Rifles and handguns aren't necessary to national defense, which is why the army has millions of them.
17. Private citizens shouldn't have handguns, because they serve no military purpose, and private citizens shouldn't have "assault rifles," because they are military weapons.
18. The ready availability of guns today, with waiting periods, background checks, fingerprinting, government forms, et cetera, is responsible for recent school shootings,compared to the lack of school shootings in the 40's, 50's and 60's, which resulted from the availability of guns at hardware stores, surplus stores, gas stations, variety stores, mail order, et cetera.
19. The NRA's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign about kids handling guns is propaganda, and the anti-gun lobby's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign is responsible social activity.
20. Guns are so complex that special training is necessary to use them properly, and so simple to use that they make murder easy.
21. A handgun, with up to 4 controls, is far too complex for the typical adult to learn to use, as opposed to an automobile that only has 20.
22. Women are just as intelligent and capable as men but a woman with a gun is "an accident waiting to happen" and gun makers' advertisements aimed at women are "preying on their fears."
23. Ordinary people in the presence of guns turn into slaughtering butchers but revert to normal when the weapon is removed.
24. Guns cause violence, which is why there are so many mass killings at gun shows.
25. A majority of the population supports gun control, just like a majority of the population supported owning slaves.
26. A self-loading small arm can legitimately be considered to be a "weapon of mass destruction" or an "assault weapon."
27. Most people can't be trusted, so we should have laws against guns, which most people will abide by because they can be trusted.
28. The right of online pornographers to exist cannot be questioned because it is constitutionally protected by the Bill of Rights, but the use of handguns for self defense is not really protected by the Bill of Rights.
29. Free speech entitles one to own newspapers, transmitters, computers, and typewriters, but self-defense only justifies bare hands.
30. The ACLU is good because it uncompromisingly defends certain parts of the Constitution, and the NRA is bad, because it defends other parts of the Constitution.
31. Charlton Heston as president of the NRA is a shill who should be ignored, but Michael Douglas as a representative of Handgun Control, Inc. is an ambassador for peace who is entitled to an audience at the UN arms control summit.
32. Police operate with backup within groups, which is why they need larger capacity pistol magazines than do "civilians" who must face criminals alone and therefore need less ammunition.
33. We should ban "Saturday Night Specials" and other inexpensive guns because it's not fair that poor people have access to guns too.
34. Police officers, who qualify with their duty weapons once or twice a year, have some special Jedi-like mastery over handguns that private citizens can never hope to obtain.
35. Private citizens don't need a gun for self-protection because the police are there to protect them even though the Supreme Court says the police are not responsible for their protection.
36. Citizens don't need to carry a gun for personal protection but police chiefs, who are desk-bound administrators who work in a building filled with cops, need a gun.
37. "Assault weapons" have no purpose other than to kill large numbers of people, which is why the police need them but "civilians" do not.
38. When Microsoft pressures its distributors to give Microsoft preferential promotion, that's bad; but when the Federal government pressures cities to buy guns only from Smith & Wesson, that's good.
39. Trigger locks do not interfere with the ability to use a gun for defensive purposes, which is why you see police officers with one on their duty weapon.
40. When Handgun Control, Inc., says they want to "keep guns out of the wrong hands," they don't mean you. Really
 

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Asking for gun owners to provide identification and go through a back ground check isn't unreasonable nor does it prevent legal ownership of a gun. It does help to limit guns getting into criminal hands where it can be used to kill an innocent bystander.

Why do so called "law abiding" gun owners need an avenue to buy and sell guns without question or any paper trail to anyone regardless of their criminal record?

Unless they are supporting the black market in criminal acquisition of firearms.
 

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Asking for gun owners to provide identification and go through a back ground check isn't unreasonable nor does it prevent legal ownership of a gun. It does help to limit guns getting into criminal hands where it can be used to kill an innocent bystander.

Why do so called "law abiding" gun owners need an avenue to buy and sell guns without question or any paper trail to anyone regardless of their criminal record?

Unless they are supporting the black market in criminal acquisition of firearms.

Because, in a free society, a citizen exercising their rights....is assumed to be just that until proven otherwise.

In other words, if an American citizen decides to sell a weapon to anyone else in a private sale, it is assumed to be a legitimate transaction, as both citizens are merely exercising their rights...........and it is none of the government's business.

In the same way that a citizen handing a political pamphlet to another is considered to be none of the government's business.....

You really don't grasp this "rights" thing, do you?

The gun show debate is a huge red herring.........especially considering we live in Canada, with strict gun control. It has nothing to do with us.

And, BTW, as your article below so clearly shows, shutting down US gun shows woyuld hardly stop the flow of guns into Canada.

AND the pic of the murdered teenager...now, perhaps you could clearly explain to me the following....instead of leaning on emotional, non-sensical, offensive innuendo ....

1. How is siezing my fully registered, legally purchased 9mm handgun in Saint John NB going to prevent shootings in Toronto.

2. How do you prevent gang bangers, who import tons of smuggled drugs every year, from obtaining firearms, considering organized criminals in every society on earth have no problem obtaining guns?

Just thought I'd ask.

BTW

This is what happens to people that can't defend themselves.
 

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Because, in a free society, a citizen exercising their rights....is assumed to be just that until proven otherwise.

And there is no problem with that at all. Changing the gun show loophole and the way gun ownership is transfered wouldn't impinge on that.

In other words, if an American citizen decides to sell a weapon to anyone else in a private sale, it is assumed to be a legitimate transaction, as both citizens are merely exercising their rights...........and it is none of the government's business.

Except there is a problem with handguns going from so called legitimate gun owners to criminals that end up killing people out shopping.

In the same way that a citizen handing a political pamphlet to another is considered to be none of the government's business.....

You can wail on me all day long with a political pamphlet Colpy and not harm me one bit. Shoot me once and I could die from it.

You really don't grasp this "rights" thing, do you?

Sure I do. You don't grasp the idea that you're not the only one with rights.

The gun show debate is a huge red herring.........especially considering we live in Canada, with strict gun control. It has nothing to do with us.

Anyone in the US, even Canadian gangsters can go to a gun show and meet up with so called law abiding gun owners and without question or back ground check, buy handguns to use in Crime back in Canada. That we have a porous border is only one of the issues.

And, BTW, as your article below so clearly shows, shutting down US gun shows woyuld hardly stop the flow of guns into Canada.

There are plenty of people that call themselves law abiding gun owners who are nothing of the sort. What's more, many of them are the first to show up on the front lines when it comes to stopping legislation that will keep guns out of the hands of criminals.

AND the pic of the murdered teenager...now, perhaps you could clearly explain to me the following....instead of leaning on emotional, non-sensical, offensive innuendo ....

1. How is siezing my fully registered, legally purchased 9mm handgun in Saint John NB going to prevent shootings in Toronto.

2. How do you prevent gang bangers, who import tons of smuggled drugs every year, from obtaining firearms, considering organized criminals in every society on earth have no problem obtaining guns?

Just thought I'd ask.

One less gun is one less gun that will end up killing someone in Toronto.

Decriminalize Cannabis cultivation of ten female plants per adult member of a household. Then Cannibis would have no or very little market value thus taking a key funding tool out of the hands of organized crime. All the Cannibis in the world has never killed anyone. No money, no guns.

BTW

This is what happens to people that can't defend themselves.[/quote]

Really? These guys were armed to the teeth.

 

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I am not against gun control or proper registration or anything of the kind, but I AM against idiotic politicians squandering vast sums of money on useless legislation in the name of responsible governing. This crap that Alan ROCKhead and aPAULing Martin spring on Canadians DOES NOT work. What WOULD have worked just as well or better is spending the money on proper enforcement of our existing laws.
And banning guns altogether would be just as stupid when you have a neighbor like the US. "If no-one had cars, no-one would get run over" is a comment that makes just as much sense anyway.
 

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I don't see any issue with registering guns, and I also don't see any issue with restricting hand guns (as it has been in Canada for decades).

The gun registry could have been done simply and cheaply, by making it the same sort of process as vehicle registration. It was made complicated and expensive as a way to pour money into the pockets of Liberal Party insiders.
 

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Enjoy your driving. Someone is paying for it:

Repeat drunk driver not a dangerous offender

Enjoy your swimming, someone paid for it:

Second man dies after swimming accident in central Ontario - Yahoo! Canada News

People who have hobbies involving guns are not resposible for someone they have never even been in contact with getting shot. That's just bombastic propaganda.

Cars have large registration plates on front and back identifying the car. Not having one is a dead giveaway that the car and the driver are illegal. Police can simply pull the car over for that reason alone. A handgun fits in the pocket and is only identifiable during a legal search or once someone is dead.

Not even remotely the same thing.

Of course ask any driver and they will tell you that regulation when it comes to cars are a must. Dui spot checks are common practice. How would sitting outside of gun clubs checking those who go in and out go over? How would the police just dropping by your house to check out you and your gun collection to see that it's in order work out? Oh yeah, just registering the guns is a big infringment on so called law abiding gun owners.:roll:
 

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Cars have large registration plates on front and back identifying the car. Not having one is a dead giveaway that the car and the driver are illegal. Police can simply pull the car over for that reason alone. A handgun fits in the pocket and is only identifiable during a legal search or once someone is dead.

Not even remotely the same thing.

Of course ask any driver and they will tell you that regulation when it comes to cars are a must. Dui spot checks are common practice. How would sitting outside of gun clubs checking those who go in and out go over? How would the police just dropping by your house to check out you and your gun collection to see that it's in order work out? Oh yeah, just registering the guns is a big infringment on so called law abiding gun owners.:roll:
It is the same thing. Vehicles are registered and the existing rules are applied. Traffic problems are getting worse simply because of bureaucracy. I can't say how many cops I've heard complain about the amount of paperwork they are required to do instead of being out and about doing the job they were actually supposed to do in the first place. Bureaucracy wants to turn cops into bureaucrats.
As I said, the laws about guns we had before were good. All they needed was to be enforced. Adding more to them just made more that weren't going to be enforced. All I see cops enforcing on the streets and highways these days is speeding and DUI enforcement. They don't pull people over for holding up traffic, they don't pull people over for illegal lane change, etc.
Either way, the comment you made including the picture is comical. Are you one of these emo kids I hear about these days or did you just take Bombasm 101 from Professor aPAULing Martin? lmao

Ban guns. While we're at it ban knives, baseball bats, and anything that can poison, too. lol
 
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It is the same thing. Vehicles are registered and the existing rules are applied. Traffic problems are getting worse simply because of bureaucracy. I can't say how many cops I've heard complain about the amount of paperwork they are required to do instead of being out and about doing the job they were actually supposed to do in the first place. Bureaucracy wants to turn cops into bureaucrats.
As I said, the laws about guns we had before were good. All they needed was to be enforced. Adding more to them just made more that weren't going to be enforced. All I see cops enforcing on the streets and highways these days is speeding and DUI enforcement. They don't pull people over for holding up traffic, they don't pull people over for illegal lane change, etc.
Either way, the comment you made including the picture is comical. Are you one of these emo kids I hear about these days or did you just take Bombasm 101 from Professor aPAULing Martin? lmao

Ban guns. While we're at it ban knives, baseball bats, and anything that can poison, too. lol

So if you can't sell a gun on the black market then you can't have a gun? You shouldn't have a gun at all if that's the case. It's not about cars or drivers. Pay attention. It's about the gun show loop hole and why these self procalimed law abiding gun owners want a loophole int he law that allows the sale of handguns to criminals without any paper trail.
 

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Isn't that where the phrase, 'Is that a gun in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?' comes into play?

No that phrase came about when the 96 Playmates were doing a Great White North tour and saw the size of the jock on me and the pride of Canadian frontier. :p From that same tour came the phrases "Fully Loaded", "OMG" and "Is That Thing Legal". I personally closed a couple of loop holes myself that year. They gave me the Order Of Canada. ;-)
 

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You would like our government to apply pressure to the states to have them change the gun laws.......yet perish the thought if in turn they would ask us to have stricter control on drug laws.......Hmmmm.....your enjoyment of life versus my sport.....
 

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So if you can't sell a gun on the black market then you can't have a gun? You shouldn't have a gun at all if that's the case. It's not about cars or drivers. Pay attention. It's about the gun show loop hole and why these self procalimed law abiding gun owners want a loophole int he law that allows the sale of handguns to criminals without any paper trail.
Well, perhaps if you were clear, like in this post, people wouldn't argue as much with you.
As it stands however, Alan ROCKhead's "gun control" does nothing to ensure the safety of ANYONE and doesn't address this "loophole" either. As soon as you have illegal guns in the country, the "loophole" is moot. Criminals get guns from the States, wherever they can steal them from, and wherever they can find them however they can find them. Spending 2.5 billion dollars did not do anything they said it would do. They'd have better remedied things by addressing your "loopholes" individually in the legislature. It'd be adding more laws and whatnot that criminals would ignore, but that's what criminals do and it would at least plug a hole that some lawyer would use to defend the criminal if it did get caught. It would do nothing to keep anyone safe.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=702_1251084873&comment_order=newest_first

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P3-64746735.html

It happens in Canada, too.
 
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