Gun Control is Completely Useless.
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You're out of your mind and you don't know anything about how modern regulation upon the spirit of good works, which, ironically, Harper is botching in all the wrong ways.
You're out of your mind and you don't know anything about how modern regulation upon the spirit of good works, which, ironically, Harper is botching in all the wrong ways.
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This should end all the insane arguments about guns.
This should end all the insane arguments about guns.
you aren't using a scientific way of evaluating.
comparing 2 countries with hundreds of differences - not just a difference in guns - is a poor way to draw comparisons.
You would be better to compare a state with strong gun laws with a state with weaker gun laws.
And then you might want to consider why a group of angry striking miners in Canada - a group that enjoys high participation in rifle ownership and hunting - can be pissed off and yet they don't crossed that line from law abiding to gun violence. Yet, you look at american examples like the LA riots, where some law abiding firearms owners definitely changed their mindset.
Have you ever considered why? I'll tell you why I think this is true. I think Canadians buy firearms with the mindset that its for sportsmanship or a tool(farming), but the americans buy firearms with the mindset that they will use the firearms for self defense.
My point. Canada has many reasons why we enjoy a more peaceful society. You are being assinine to insinuate that it has to do with only one factor - gun ownership. Man! you are ignorant! Your attitude is exactly why Government blames hunters and farmers for the actions of urban violence in Toronto. How ignorant is that,eh?
NOTE: I have no idea why this text is red, when I went back to edit the color back to black, that feature isnt working, sorry guys
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another thought about the usefullness of the longgun registry:
We have a murder by firearm rate of about 120 people per year, only about 10 of those are firearms from the long gun registry....
We have yet to hear a claim like the following " Police officers are performing database search and seizing thousands of long guns from high risk citizens, and we are proud to say that we have made a difference. This year, there were 2 less murders by registered long gun than the year before"
Why hasn't a statment like this been made? because it isn't true. The long gun registry has not stopped 1 bullet.
But, you don't understand, we are much safer that Canada from a foreign invasion or occupation. We are still a growing countries and these growth pains will continue for some time. Canadians seem to be a more orderly people, ones who follow authority figures almost without question. Americans on the other hand question authority and if we get the wrong answer we do what has to be done to get the right one.
I really don't understand all this fuss over gun control. I think it was started as a vote getter by the Liberals.
As far as I know guns have always had to be registered in Canada. My grandfather registered his guns.
Criminals don't used registered guns anyway. Does anyone honestly think a person is going to register a gun so that he can shoot somebody?
We don't need more gun registry laws. We need to put people who shoot people in jjail and keep them there.
As far as I know guns have always had to be registered in Canada. My grandfather registered his guns.
Criminals don't used registered guns anyway. Does anyone honestly think a person is going to register a gun so that he can shoot somebody?
We don't need more gun registry laws. We need to put people who shoot people in jjail and keep them there.
Firearms control has gone through many incarnations in the past, not only in Canada and the US, but Europe as well. There was a requirement to register firearms in Canada during WW1 but that was repealed at war's end. The requirement to register pistols, apparently at least, was in response to the criminality stemming from prohibition and rum running, (the US restricted alcohol, Canada restricted guns), even though prohibition had been repealed a year prior. (Though there was spotty prohibition in Canada, it didn't have popular support). It seems that for every solution comes a whole new set of problems. Germany restricted firearm ownership to friends of the Reich, France merely had you register them, which was exceedingly helpful to the invading forces in disarming would be resistance fighters.
Firearms control is an evolution in this country, and turns a non issue into an issue. The more we restrict or prohibit things, the more enticing it is to profit minded criminals, (think prohibition and the explosive rise in organized crime).
Right on.
We are a throwback to colonial times, we didn't have the manpower to eject the British then, or now.
The US had its own forms of gun control in different states, one example being Florida, where random violent crime actually rose until citizens were allowed to arm themselves. Many states have since allowed varying forms of concealed carry. There are states that have much lower crime rates than Canada as a whole. But you can't simply compare Philadelphia or Detroit to Windsor or Red Deer, which is sort of what gun opponents try to do. Why, with strict laws on firearms ownership and a total ban on pistols, Isn't Washingon DC the safest place in the US?
In comparing Canada to the US, there was an interesting study done, not initially about crime, but about professional sport and its correlation with weather; it seems that as temerature increases, the better and more agressive the play. This started as a study of the boys of summer, but even football gets more aggressive in warmer temperatures. The study was expanded, and lo and behold, the incidence of random violence also increased with temperature. This was done about 6 years ago and I don't know where to find it now.
There are too many variables to be able compare countries, locales, urban and rural settings. Nor is there is any one size fits all solution, and with each solution comes a myriad of problems it creates. It all depends on who we want to have the balance of power, the criminals, or the victims.
Speaking of Florida, they have a stat kicking around on Florida Conceal and Carry permit holders.....apearantly they are several times less likely to use a firearm in a crime that an average Florida resident. If you consider that many Florida residents don't own a firearm, I would say these CCW guys are fine outstanding trust worthy citizens,
The idea isn't to stop people, it's to have a database to be able to match casings/bullets to solve crimes. Understand the issue before complaining.
Also, there is really no such thing as gun control in one sense - do you have a few bills? I'm sure you can get yours hands on a gun somehow. Mind you you might land yourself on probation or in jail for 6 months, but the point I'm making is that it is possible and not overly hard.
Having a database to solve crimes or allowing law abiding citizens to have access to tools to prevent crimes; which is more important? Restricting law abiding citizens the access to the tools does nothing to restrict the same access to criminals. Police take notes and pictures, they do not take action. Being able to find and prosecute a perpetrator is cold comfort to victims of violence, even colder if the crime could have been prevented by armed self defense in the first place and being denied that basic of human rights. Understand the reality before pontificating.
Proving ownership does not prove use. Since no casing or spent bullets are required when registering your rifle this is also BS. Also do yo know of anyone that can match shotgun pellets to a particular gun?
I firmly believe that the whole hidden agenda is to know where the rifles are when the time comes to make them illegal, like they did with formerly restricted and now banned automatic rifles. Foolish or perhaps naive owners registered their automatic rifles only to have the government steel them a few years later. And that is why we can not vote Liberal no matter how bad Harper may be.
And on the last reading, the NDP in my district changed her mind and voted for registration, which is why this time, I voted for Ray Sturgeon......
Are any of you familiar with a real time tracking inventory system?
it will track the location and movement of a specific part from the minute it comes through the door, as it goes into storage, gets pulled out of storage to be put onto a sales shelf or onto a manufacturing line. then eventually it tell you when the item has been sold and who it was sold to. Unfortortunately, once it goes out the door, the only thing we know is who walked out the front door with it, ie the real time tracking stops
The gun registry is not a real time tracking system, it only ties a firearms number to a licenced owner which happens to have an address
. Its a flawed assumption from the police to assume that they know where the rifles are, they only have a reasonably approximation of where the rifles are.
it will track the location and movement of a specific part from the minute it comes through the door, as it goes into storage, gets pulled out of storage to be put onto a sales shelf or onto a manufacturing line. then eventually it tell you when the item has been sold and who it was sold to. Unfortortunately, once it goes out the door, the only thing we know is who walked out the front door with it, ie the real time tracking stops
The gun registry is not a real time tracking system, it only ties a firearms number to a licenced owner which happens to have an address
. Its a flawed assumption from the police to assume that they know where the rifles are, they only have a reasonably approximation of where the rifles are.
I'm not convinced there is either agendas or reasons, most likely just gov't idiots making decisions on something they don't know anything about. When they aren't talented at anything else they like making lists. :smile:
Thing is, if you have a gun and everyone knows you have that gun, then when that gun is missing for whatever reason, the police know to be on the lookout for that gun. Also, if you happen to be in the business of selling guns to gangsters, this helps to tip off where the guns came from when they are found after a tragedy. The manufacture sold them to someone and there is a chain there to follow.
Making it difficult for someone to sell a gun to someone who shouldn't have one is a good thing. The only reason the government would take your gun away is that the gun itself is too dangerous to allow in the relatively uncontrolled public hands. Of no real use other than to kill people with. Or irresponsibility.
This idea that guns keep our freedom is ridiculous and long over due to be put to bed. There is nothing any gun owner can do if the government wants to take them down. They will first send the police and if need be, a military specialist and that will be the end of you regardless of what gun you might be dumb enough to pull out.
If for the sole purpose of protecting one's self from home invasion, the shot gun is better than any other gun. No reason the government shouldn't know about it either. But many reasons why they should.
For gun owners, what is the biggest reason you are against the gun registry?
Making it difficult for someone to sell a gun to someone who shouldn't have one is a good thing. The only reason the government would take your gun away is that the gun itself is too dangerous to allow in the relatively uncontrolled public hands. Of no real use other than to kill people with. Or irresponsibility.
This idea that guns keep our freedom is ridiculous and long over due to be put to bed. There is nothing any gun owner can do if the government wants to take them down. They will first send the police and if need be, a military specialist and that will be the end of you regardless of what gun you might be dumb enough to pull out.
If for the sole purpose of protecting one's self from home invasion, the shot gun is better than any other gun. No reason the government shouldn't know about it either. But many reasons why they should.
For gun owners, what is the biggest reason you are against the gun registry?
What's gun control got to do with matching casings/bullets? To match, you have to first find the gun. If the gun's illegal a registry won't help you any and it's not likely a legally registered gun would be used in the shooting.
I'm against the gun registry because it's useless and therefore mainly yet another money grab for government It's already sucked up millions of dollars that could have been better used to jail criminals who shoot people.