Gun Control is Completely Useless.

[bluebyrd35]

Funny the rest of us want to see the laws we have applied to criminals, not more laws restricting honest taxpayers.

For Gawd's sake, where have I said, (quote please) that Canada needs to tighten the gun laws????

I am thoroughly bored by those comments that continually assume what I do not say. 1) Canada's gun laws are fine!! 2) Illegal gun smuggling is a problem and the Customs officers do their best. That is where Trump's 40 ft wall might come in handy. (sarcasm) 3. No criminal can go to a legitimate gun store or gun show and simply buy one off the shelf in Canada without a background check. 4. I do not know how to stop a mentally troubled patient who is the owner of a gun from before the onset of his/her health problems. I guess it would be up to family, friends & his doctor to find a solution. 5. We do not have a mass shooting in this country every single day, as some countries do.

Now please tell me why YOU want to change the gun laws in this country!!

 

[taxslave]

For Gawd's sake, where have I said, (quote please) that Canada needs to tighten the gun laws????

I am thoroughly bored by those comments that continually assume what I do not say. 1) Canada's gun laws are fine!! 2) Illegal gun smuggling is a problem and the Customs officers do their best. That is where Trump's 40 ft wall might come in handy. (sarcasm) 3. No criminal can go to a legitimate gun store or gun show and simply buy one off the shelf in Canada without a background check. 4. I do not know how to stop a mentally troubled patient who is the owner of a gun from before the onset of his/her health problems. I guess it would be up to family, friends & his doctor to find a solution. 5. We do not have a mass shooting in this country every single day, as some countries do.

Now please tell me why YOU want to change the gun laws in this country!!

Because they are too restrictive on honest people and not applied to criminals.

 

[bluebyrd35]

I consider taking "millions upon millions of guns off the streets" an uninformed knee jerk reaction to media sensationalized news. In reality, there are only 2 million licensed gun owners in Canada, their guns are already off the streets.



That is typical uninformed trolling on your part. I bet you haven't seen the whole speech, just the 8 second version.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOJQFNOQqCY



For one moment, I will agree with you.

Then I will note that firearms murder less people in Canada than these imperfect/difficult-to-use knives that you speak of.

Hmmm. Then in spite of all the rhetoric here about knives taking over all where guns left off. That is not what stats Canada has come up with.

Latest stabbing statistics show slight decrease

201 stabbings in 2008 (611 homicides total)
210 stabbings in 2009 (610 homicides total)
165 stabbings in 2010 (554 homicides total)
204 stabbings in 2011 (598 homicides total)
164 stabbings in 2012 (543 homicides total)
- Statistics Canada

Now the last knife stats I can find 2013 are up slightly to 195.

Again, I point out guns primary purpose is to kill. That is their main purpose. Knives are manufactured for all kinds of purposes. I suppose we could consider banning them, but then we would all be gnawing off whole cows, and pigs. Chicken can be pulled apart when cooked, so that would be no big problem.

Because they are too restrictive on honest people and not applied to criminals.

They are applied to criminals though. I have already pointed that out.

If a robber comes out of jail, he cannot legitimately get a gun without a background check. If we did away with those, what do we gain except for more armed criminals!! Granted our jails are not as full as many, but even so by loosening the background checks, the only thing that helps is the criminals!! Legitimate gun owners, on the whole, do not buy a gun to kill another person, only his dinner, or for target shooting. In the rare instance, to protect themselves. (By the way, how often have you had to use your gun to protect yourself) They purchase them to kill, so why would we want to make it much easier for the bad guys to acquire a gun.

How much of a problem do our laws actually cause you, for instance.

 

[JamesBondo]

Again, I point out guns primary purpose is to kill.

Guns are made only to shoot bullets. What they are shot at is in no way designed into them. They can be used to kill - but so can kitchen knives. Should obese folks blame the silverware for their health conditions? Did the spoon really make them fat? After all it was designed to eat with...

They are applied to criminals though.

There is no evidence that proves that canadian gun laws have stopped 1 bullet. Not one.

If there was evidence, you'd be flaunting it, or the cbc would be, or wendy cuckier, or Alan Rock, or etc. etc.

 

[petros]

No criminal can go to a legitimate gun store or gun show and simply buy one off the shelf in Canada without a background check.

Sure they can. The deadliest of criminals have no record.

 

[DaSleeper]

And the killer at Ecole polytechnique Had no record and got his gun legally and could still get one with the laws we have to-day...

 

[JamesBondo]

here is an article worth reading:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/attention-please/201212/crazy-people-guns

Crazy People with Guns
It's sick people & a bad system--not the guns
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[This was written some time ago in another venue. Thought it appropriate to re-post]

Unfortunately there have been three terrible mass murders within the past week. In each case guns were used. Also, in each case the perpetrator was crazy as a loon or in more politically correct parlance mentally disturbed. As always in such cases the left wing anti-gun lobbys scream for more gun control but are absolutely silent on the issue of forced or involuntary treatment of deranged individuals. This is today's antinomy.

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[B00Mer]

I consider taking "millions upon millions of guns off the streets" an uninformed knee jerk reaction to media sensationalized news. In reality, there are only 2 million licensed gun owners in Canada, their guns are already off the streets.

What's that?? Those stats don't add up with the RCMP states.

More guns in Canada now, but fewer owners: RCMP

When I lived in Alberta I knew several people who owned firearms, however, after the High River gun grab, refuse to register their guns.

When I moved to Ontario, I thought that way of thinking was just Red Neck Alberta.. turns out there are plenty of folks here to that go back wood shooting, aren't licensed or registered.

So I'm thinking there is a strong "under ground" gun culture in Canada.

 

[JamesBondo]

What's that?? Those stats don't add up with the RCMP states.

More guns in Canada now, but fewer owners: RCMP

When I lived in Alberta I knew several people who owned firearms, however, after the High River gun grab, refuse to register their guns.

When I moved to Ontario, I thought that way of thinking was just Red Neck Alberta.. turns out there are plenty of folks here to that go back wood shooting, aren't licensed or registered.

So I'm thinking there is a strong "under ground" gun culture in Canada.

When I wrote 2 million, I was going by memory, and I wasn't that far off considering that your link says:

However, between 2006 and 2010, the number of licensed gun owners has dropped from 1,908,011 to 1,848,000

When I lived in Alberta I knew several people who owned firearms, however, after the High River gun grab, refuse to register their guns.

The last time I checked, you don't have to anymore. unless of course you are referring to the handgun registry.

 

[taxslave]

The number of licensed owners could have dropped because many people thought that when the registry ended so did licensing. Either that or more people are simply not going to take a chance of having their private property stolen by the government again.

 

[B00Mer]

The last time I checked, you don't have to anymore. unless of course you are referring to the handgun registry.

Well you have to be licensed to buy a firearm from a store.

How to legally buy a gun in Canada

I'm not saying you were wrong on your gestimation on 2 million, just saying there are plenty now that are not licensed and still own firearms. Personally I think it's the American influence same as Free Speech..

 

[bluebyrd35]

Guns are made only to shoot bullets. What they are shot at is in no way designed into them. They can be used to kill - but so can kitchen knives. Should obese folks blame the silverware for their health conditions? Did the spoon really make them fat? After all it was designed to eat with...



There is no evidence that proves that canadian gun laws have stopped 1 bullet. Not one.

If there was evidence, you'd be flaunting it, or the cbc would be, or wendy cuckier, or Alan Rock, or etc. etc.

Ah, another ignorant reply....Guns were made to shoot bullets, just as bows were designed to shoot arrows and cannons to fire cannon balls......with the purpose of killing either one's dinner or an enemy. All parts made to accurately kill off what is aimed at. Why have a gun for boxing up bullets, or design a bow simply to use the arrow to tack up notices on a wall, and those cannons were not designed to press meat.

On the other hand though, knives were invented to cut food into manageable bites without getting one's dirty hands into food, or having to gnaw one's share of meat off a pig's thigh bone before passing it to the person on the right.

So we need to free up nuclear weapons, rocket launchers and machine guns on the premise that it is not the weapons that kill but people! yeah right!! Or maybe sell special poisons guaranteed to be effective in stopping kids from raiding the cookie jars.

What a bunch of malarchy passes for reason here!!

PS I have pointed out before.....It is not possible to prove a negative. I do point out though that per 100,000 persons Canada has a lot fewer deaths by firearms than the US does and like Australia, Switzerland and England I put it down to decent gun laws.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Ah, another ignorant reply....Guns were made to shoot bullets, just as bows were designed to shoot arrows and cannons to fire cannon balls......with the purpose of killing either one's dinner or an enemy.

Of which of those two activities do you disapprove?

 

[AnnaG]

Knives were made to slice or stab things such as meat, veggies, etc. People are not made of paper. A bone saw is designed to cut bone. What do you think is inside a human? A nuclear power plant is made to make power yet it is possible to use part of one to make bombs. I have training that I can use to take a rolled up newspaper or a strip of cloth and kill someone even if that is not why I took the training. You could take your driver's training and use a vehicle to kill people.
I really cannot see why you cannot grasp the concept of intent. If someone wants to kill, they will regardless of what is available to kill with.
But I do agree with a decent set of laws regarding types and proliferation.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Knives were made to slice or stab things such as meat, veggies, etc. People are not made of paper.

More and more, they are

A bone saw is designed to cut bone. What do you think is inside a human?

Technically, it's called "goo." In various colours, hardness, and viscosity.

A nuclear power plant is made to make power yet it is possible to use part of one to make bombs. I have training that I can use to take a rolled up newspaper or a strip of cloth and kill someone even if that is not why I took the training. You could take your driver's training and use a vehicle to kill people.

I LIKE that idea!

I really cannot see why you cannot grasp the concept of intent. If someone wants to kill, they will regardless of what is available to kill with.

True believers tend to lack a bit in that area.

But I do agree with a decent set of laws regarding types and proliferation.

I don't. "Nukes for all!" That's my motto.

 

[bluebyrd35]

Knives were made to slice or stab things such as meat, veggies, etc. People are not made of paper. A bone saw is designed to cut bone. What do you think is inside a human? A nuclear power plant is made to make power yet it is possible to use part of one to make bombs. I have training that I can use to take a rolled up newspaper or a strip of cloth and kill someone even if that is not why I took the training. You could take your driver's training and use a vehicle to kill people.
I really cannot see why you cannot grasp the concept of intent. If someone wants to kill, they will regardless of what is available to kill with.
But I do agree with a decent set of laws regarding types and proliferation.

Excuse me but what part of designed to kill do you fail to understand!! The first use of a gun was to kill, so was the Atomic bomb. If you feel the US military designed that bomb first to fuel a nuclear power plant, why was it used as a bomb.

The intent is about the use an article was designed for. Gunpowder was invented as an explosive not to make a big hole in the ground but to destroy. Try looking at weapons as destructive. The actual word weapons says it all. I do not anticipate using a gun EVER as a spoon or to cut my meat with.

Of which of those two activities do you disapprove?

Guess!!

 

[JLM]

Knives were made to slice or stab things such as meat, veggies, etc. People are not made of paper. A bone saw is designed to cut bone. What do you think is inside a human? A nuclear power plant is made to make power yet it is possible to use part of one to make bombs. I have training that I can use to take a rolled up newspaper or a strip of cloth and kill someone even if that is not why I took the training. You could take your driver's training and use a vehicle to kill people.
I really cannot see why you cannot grasp the concept of intent. If someone wants to kill, they will regardless of what is available to kill with.
But I do agree with a decent set of laws regarding types and proliferation.

I'm beginning to get the idea BB's opinion is carved in granite.

 

[AnnaG]

Excuse me but what part of designed to kill do you fail to understand!! The first use of a gun was to kill, so was the Atomic bomb. If you feel the US military designed that bomb first to fuel a nuclear power plant, why was it used as a bomb.

The intent is about the use an article was designed for. Gunpowder was invented as an explosive not to make a big hole in the ground but to destroy. Try looking at weapons as destructive. The actual word weapons says it all. I do not anticipate using a gun EVER as a spoon or to cut my meat with.

Geeeezez
Some knives were designed to kill, too. That does not necessitate them to be ONLY used for that reason. Hands are meant to hold things and there are multitudes of things that could be held, even someone's throat. Same for firearms; they do NOT HAVE to be used for that purpose, OBVIOUSLY. But you cannot seem to grasp that concept.
You think everyone that picks up a firearm thinks that killing is what they should use it for? If you do, I'd suggest getting some help from someone trained in mental health aid.

 

[DaSleeper]

Y'all know what tunnel vision is? Ask Birdie...............

 

[JLM]

Y'all know what tunnel vision is? Ask Birdie...............

Yeah, about the diameter of a drinking straw!