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CDNBear

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You really must do something about your complete lack of grip on reality.
Why? That would seriously hamper his ideology and of course completely ruin his comedic value.

ETA: I forgot to mention he wore Nazi insignia while dressed like a brown shirt, riding his motorcycle around Montreal suburbs.

He really did dig them Nazi's.
 
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JLM

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Turdo hated anyone that wasn't born french speaking and wasn't a socialist. He really should have been a dipper instead of a liberal but then he would never have made it to the PMs office.

So you're saying it would have been better had he been a Dipper!
 

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I didn't realize Canadian Content was a court of law. There is oral history in Africa that Zheng He's fleet did visit Africa and left shipwrecked sailors there.


"...In 1999, New York Times journalist Nicholas D. Kristof reported a surprising encounter on a tiny African island called Pate, just off the coast of Kenya. Here, in a village of stone huts set amongst dense mangrove trees, Kristof met a number of elderly men who told him that they were descendants of Chinese sailors, shipwrecked on Pate many centuries ago. Their ancestors had traded with the local Africans, who had given them giraffes to take back to China; then their boat was driven onto the nearby reef. Kristof noted many clues that seemed to confirm the islanders' tale, including their vaguely Asian appearance and the presence of antique porcelain heirlooms in their homes....".

No not a court of law- I was going by what I knew at the time- You contradicted my opinion so I dug deeper. In the end I found that you were right and I was wrong.
 

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Your failure to grasp the English language is reason you would come to such an erroneous conclusion, aside. Nope.

I'd suggest you read his book, but given the your limited ability to understand English, it would be for not.
I'm reading Che Guvera: A revolutionary life, an 800-page biography. I'll read his book next.
 

CDNBear

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I'm reading Che Guvera: A revolutionary life, an 800-page biography.
No sh!t. I bet you come away with no greater understanding of the reality of his actions, than you do now.

The saddest thing about Che, and I do admire what he sought to achieve, originally, is that he became what he hated most.

I'll read his book next.
I predict you'll still be ill informed, lol.
 

Kreskin

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Come on you guys wouldn't it be great if Trudeau were around today. He'd go on Fox and slug it out with O'Reilly .. would be pay per view material.
 

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goph, I'm just telling you that he opposed America on all issues at the time, If America was for something, Trudeau was against it. Canadian/American relations deteriorated during his reign imo.


I recall no such thing and see nothing in the historical record to substantiate your claim. It is a fact that Trudeau was greatly concerned with environmental issues and negotiated the Great Lakes treaty because so much of the pollution came from the states and found its way into Canadian waters and lands (I well remember my Irish kid brother telling me when he traveled up there a tour guide made it a point of telling the tourists about that and making them feel guilty about it). Here's a blurb on the subject:

''Bukro’s coverage of the Great Lakes, as well as some hard-hitting editorials published by the conservative Tribune, turned up the heat on the Nixon administration to do something about the spiraling concerns people had about the environment. In April 1972, Nixon and Canadian Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau signed the landmark Great Lakes Water Quality Agreement, a pact in which the United States and Canada set cleanup goals for the lakes. Six months later, in October of 1972, Nixon—who created the Environmental Protection Agency—signed America’s Clean Water Act. That’s the law for which many of today’s sewage and industrial discharge limits are set. Both actions resulted in enormous costs and subjected Nixon to pressure from industry groups.''

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While right wingers did not like it, liberals and moderates who were the majority at that time GREATLY appreciated and viewed Nixon as a great hero for his reforms. But it was Trudeau who exerted the greatest influence on him and that's why we had these changes. Again, NOTHING about this was anti-American at all.
 

JLM

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Not really. Trudeau was a pretty bright fella. O'Reilly's an idiot. Not much of a slugfest.

Yeah, but mainly from stuff that came out of a book. When it comes to experience in the real world (picking fruit, picking salal, setting chokers, pulling boards off a green chain, deck hand on a commercial fishing boat, setting pins at the bowling alley, pulling the dumb end of the chain on a survey crew) I'd guess he was greener than grass and hence lacks much in common with the common wage slave!
 

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I recall no such thing and see nothing in the historical record to substantiate your claim. It is a fact that Trudeau was greatly concerned with environmental issues and negotiated the Great Lakes treaty because so much of the pollution came from the states and found its way into Canadian waters and lands (I well remember my Irish kid brother telling me when he traveled up there a tour guide made it a point of telling the tourists about that and making them feel guilty about it). Here's a blurb on the subject:

''Bukro’s coverage of the Great Lakes, as well as some hard-hitting editorials published by the conservative Tribune, turned up the heat on the Nixon administration to do something about the spiraling concerns people had about the environment. In April 1972, Nixon and Canadian Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau signed the landmark Great Lakes Water Quality Agreement, a pact in which the United States and Canada set cleanup goals for the lakes. Six months later, in October of 1972, Nixon—who created the Environmental Protection Agency—signed America’s Clean Water Act. That’s the law for which many of today’s sewage and industrial discharge limits are set. Both actions resulted in enormous costs and subjected Nixon to pressure from industry groups.''

Nieman Reports | Connecting Scientific Data to Real Consequences for People

While right wingers did not like it, liberals and moderates who were the majority at that time GREATLY appreciated and viewed Nixon as a great hero for his reforms. But it was Trudeau who exerted the greatest influence on him and that's why we had these changes. Again, NOTHING about this was anti-American at all.

Gopher, you are a leftist. I am a radical conservative who you do not understand. Republicans like Richard Nixon collaborated with you folks. That makes him anathema to people who think like I do. I am not a Republican. Republicans don't want your figurative blood. I am not interested in peace or compromise. I am interested in fighting to the figurative death on each and every issue. That is what distinguishes me from Republicans.

From my perspecitive, Pierre Trudeau was absolute scum. I understand that you do not agree with me. Nevertheless, I respect your individual opinion, but I am interested in fighting to the figurative death. I am post-American. Not American the way you understand. I am your worst nightmare. This is beyond your experience isn't it?

Grow accustomed to this. While I am currently an outlier, it won't remain so for long. I am past caring about America. I am down for the struggle. If you love America you should be very afraid of what I represent. I am like Ahab and your version of America is like the Great White Whale. Do you realize the significance of what I am saying?

Forget about al Qaeda. Forget about China. Forget about North Korea. Forget about Iran. You have a life and death struggle to fight on American soil. You should be very afraid. The ranks of people who think like me are swelling.
 

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Gopher, you are a leftist. I am a radical conservative who you do not understand. Republicans like Richard Nixon collaborated with you folks. That makes him anathema to people who think like I do. I am not a Republican. Republicans don't want your figurative blood. I am not interested in peace or compromise. I am interested in fighting to the figurative death on each and every issue. That is what distinguishes me from Republicans.

From my perspecitive, Pierre Trudeau was absolute scum. I understand that you do not agree with me. Nevertheless, I respect your individual opinion, but I am interested in fighting to the figurative death. I am post-American. Not American the way you understand. I am your worst nightmare. This is beyond your experience isn't it?

Grow accustomed to this. While I am currently an outlier, it won't remain so for long. I am past caring about America. I am down for the struggle. If you love America you should be very afraid of what I represent. I am like Ahab and your version of America is like the Great White Whale. Do you realize the significance of what I am saying?

Forget about al Qaeda. Forget about China. Forget about North Korea. Forget about Iran. You have a life and death struggle to fight on American soil. You should be very afraid. The ranks of people who think like me are swelling.
Aside from that, you're a moderate? :)
 

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Gopher, you are a leftist. I am a radical conservative who you do not understand. Republicans like Richard Nixon collaborated with you folks. That makes him anathema to people who think like I do. I am not a Republican. Republicans don't want your figurative blood. I am not interested in peace or compromise. I am interested in fighting to the figurative death on each and every issue. That is what distinguishes me from Republicans.

From my perspecitive, Pierre Trudeau was absolute scum. I understand that you do not agree with me. Nevertheless, I respect your individual opinion, but I am interested in fighting to the figurative death. I am post-American. Not American the way you understand. I am your worst nightmare. This is beyond your experience isn't it?

Grow accustomed to this. While I am currently an outlier, it won't remain so for long. I am past caring about America. I am down for the struggle. If you love America you should be very afraid of what I represent. I am like Ahab and your version of America is like the Great White Whale. Do you realize the significance of what I am saying?

Forget about al Qaeda. Forget about China. Forget about North Korea. Forget about Iran. You have a life and death struggle to fight on American soil. You should be very afraid. The ranks of people who think like me are swelling.

America is dead in the water. Like Ahab, you are a fictional character in your own mind. The wind has gone out of the American sail. People are fat, apathetic and brain dead with media brainwashing and celebrity worship. There is nothing left to fight for. The corruption goes right to the soul of America and you are owned lock, stock and barrel by the Chinese. And our PM is taking us down the same path. You are farting in the wind.
 

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Aside from that, you're a moderate? :)
There are no moderates in America any more.

America is dead in the water. Like Ahab, you are a fictional character in your own mind. The wind has gone out of the American sail. People are fat, apathetic and brain dead with media brainwashing and celebrity worship. There is nothing left to fight for. The corruption goes right to the soul of America and you are owned lock, stock and barrel by the Chinese. And our PM is taking us down the same path. You are farting in the wind.
Except for the flatulence, you are pretty much correct. That should be pretty scary for Gopher.
 

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He really should have been a dipper instead of a liberal but then he would never have made it to the PMs office.

He actually thought that himself.

Ahh yes, memories of the young Trudeau, dressed in his finest brown shirt, black pants and jackboots, riding his motorcycle around Montreal suburbs.

His love and support for the Vichy French, and belief that Nazi atrocities were grossly overstated.

True stories...

To be fair most people thought the 'rumours' of nazi atrocities were exaggerated til the camps were liberated. As for the Fascist sympathies, they were pretty common in Quebec during the 30s. Doesnt make it right, but a lot of teenagers have had stupid ideas. Quebec was more or less a semi-autocracy under Duplessis and the Church.