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To be fair most people thought the 'rumours' of nazi atrocities were exaggerated til the camps were liberated.
I'd concede to that.
As for the Fascist sympathies, they were pretty common in Quebec during the 30s. Doesnt make it right, but a lot of teenagers have had stupid ideas.
No doubt.

My point though, is simple honesty. I'd even concede that when he entered Harvard, he changed quite a bit.

That doesn't erase his previous positions, or actions. Nor do the legitimate policies he enacted, absolve him of the mess he made in Ottawa.

Quebec was more or less a semi-autocracy under Duplessis and the Church.
No argument from me.
 

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I know the feeling quite well. Some days it seems to be a familiar friend.
Yeah, but the bright side is some folks actually learn from it .... like you, for instance.
Cheers!

Yeah, but mainly from stuff that came out of a book. When it comes to experience in the real world (picking fruit, picking salal, setting chokers, pulling boards off a green chain, deck hand on a commercial fishing boat, setting pins at the bowling alley, pulling the dumb end of the chain on a survey crew) I'd guess he was greener than grass and hence lacks much in common with the common wage slave!
Possibly, but he was in the armed services, so he wasn't a total deskjocky.
 

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I love it when the known or thought to be fact is thrown right out the frickin window. Now the person who invented this would be at the top for insight and ignoring the so called reality of his times.

The Antikythera Mechanism - Learn about the oldest analog computer

The Antikythera Mechcanism
The Antikythera Mechanism was found by divers in 1901, and many died while performing the search. The device is over 2,000 years old.

Many scientists originally thought the Antikythera Mechanism was a piece of navigational equipment. Little did they know it would be one of the most important scientific measuring devices ever discovered.

One of the oldest known astronomical calculating devices is called the Antikythera Mechanism. It was discovered somewhere between Greece and the Island of Crete.

The diving crew who discovered the Antikythera Mechanism originally set out to look for sea sponges. When they discovered the sunken ship containing the device, they believed they had found sunken treasure.

The Antikythera Mechanism was housed in a wooden box. Inside the box were many detailed gears made of bronze, and scientists originally used x-rays to look inside.

The National Bank of Greece has created the Antikythera Mechanism Research Project, a group of scientists and historians who have dedicated themselves to researching this very important discovery.

Many scientists consider the Antikythera Mechanism to be one of the most complex scientific objects ever to be preserved. It is a key to our modern civilization.

So much research has been done on the Antikythera Mechanism that many people have recreated what it might have looked like when it was working in its original state before it sank underwater.

The Antikythera Mechanism has given many people including philosophers, astronomers, historians, and other scientists a great insight on the history of mankind and of science.

Many people have tried to recreate the Antikythera Mechanism to get a better understanding of how it worked, and to see just how complex the machine really was. It is also a good educational tool.

The exact year that the Antikythera Mechanism is not known for sure, but many speculate it was created somewhere around the year 80-82 BC.

Aside from it being a scientific measuring device, many people consider the Antikythera Mechanism to be the world’s oldest computer. The device is the stuff of legend, and some even say it came from aliens.

The Antikythera Mechanism contains about 30 or so gears, and within the last 50 years scientists have really begun to delve into its functions and how it may have been used many years ago.

Many feel that the Antikythera Mechanism really showed us how sophisticated and ahead of their time the Greeks were, particularly before the takeover from the Roman Empire.

The Antikythera Mechanism is one of the first pieces of evidence to show that many people actually believed that all planets rotated around the sun, disproving the previous thoughts of thinkers like Aristotle.

The intricate way in which the Antikythera Mechanism works was so startling to many scientists, that they often dismissed the device’s dating, doubting it could be as old as it really was.

Some scientists claim they have found an ancient inscription on the inside of the Antikythera Mechanism that could help to unlock the mystery of its origins.

After many years of detailed research, the Antikythera Mechanism is now on display for millions of yearly visitors at the National Museum located in Athens, Greece.

Many famous scholars, scientists, and professors have written papers and performed lectures about the Antikythera Mechanism, giving many people different views on the ancient device.

There are many theories about who actually built the Antikythera Mechanism, and the most popular is that it was built by Posidonius, a historian who studied how the sun and moon rotated and moved.

When the Antikythera Mechanism was originally found, its wooden casing dried from the ocean water and cracked, leaving it in four separate parts, and exposing the more detailed innards to many stunned people.

Currently work is still underway to completely decipher the inscriptions found on the inside of the Antikythera Mechanism. The final interpretation is to be released to the public in the near future.

The complexity of the gears found within the Antikythera Mechanism baffled scientists, since this type of “technology” was not though to have been in existence until around 1575.

Many feel that the Antikythera Mechanism helps to explain how such wonderful phenomena as the ancient pyramids, the Greek Colisseum, and the Parthenon were built with such exquisite detail.

Many claim that the Antikythera Mechanism is the actual first analog computer that uses dials, gears, astronomy theory, and intricate handiwork combined to make one of mankind’s oldest and most significant machines.
 

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Dr. Jonas Salk
Inventor of the Polio Vaccine

Orville & Wilbur Wright
Inventors of the Airplane

Alexander Graham Bell
Inventor of the Telephone

Willis Carrier
Inventor of Air Conditioning

Louis Pasteur
Invented the process of pasteurization
 

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Gopher, you are a leftist. I am a radical conservative who you do not understand. Republicans like Richard Nixon collaborated with you folks. That makes him anathema to people who think like I do. I am not a Republican. Republicans don't want your figurative blood. I am not interested in peace or compromise. I am interested in fighting to the figurative death on each and every issue. That is what distinguishes me from Republicans.

From my perspecitive, Pierre Trudeau was absolute scum. I understand that you do not agree with me. Nevertheless, I respect your individual opinion, but I am interested in fighting to the figurative death. I am post-American. Not American the way you understand. I am your worst nightmare. This is beyond your experience isn't it?

Grow accustomed to this. While I am currently an outlier, it won't remain so for long. I am past caring about America. I am down for the struggle. If you love America you should be very afraid of what I represent. I am like Ahab and your version of America is like the Great White Whale. Do you realize the significance of what I am saying?

Forget about al Qaeda. Forget about China. Forget about North Korea. Forget about Iran. You have a life and death struggle to fight on American soil. You should be very afraid. The ranks of people who think like me are swelling.


Baal

I am not even remotely leftist as you well know. But as a rightist you and others like you are obsessed with the idea that you are always correct and that everyone else is always wrong.

I well remember Trudeau and have never seen anything in the historical record to corroborate this supposed hatred you claim he had for the USA. I have asked you THREE times to present evidence and you still haven't done so.

No further use in discussing this.

Then you were asleep during that time, and have comprehension issues.

Very well since you feel compelled to chime in on this, let's see your proof.

I asked Baal three times and he failed to present evidence. Now let's see yours.

This should be interesting.
 

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I am not even remotely leftist as you well know.

Often we do not see ourselves as others see us.


But as a rightist you and others like you are obsessed with the idea that you are always correct and that everyone else is always wrong.

I am often wrong. I was wrong initially about Iraq and Afghanistan. But I have made up for that with a vengeance.

I well remember Trudeau and have never seen anything in the historical record to corroborate this supposed hatred you claim he had for the USA. I have asked you THREE times to present evidence and you still haven't done so.

You were right and I was wrong. Trudeau didn't hate all Americans. He only hated American conservatives.

No further use in discussing this.

As you wish.
 

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You were right and I was wrong. Trudeau didn't hate all Americans. He only hated American conservatives.


Hmmmm.

Well, Trudeau was beloved in NY, California, and anywhere that voted liberal/moderate in those days. Just a couple of weeks ago a local liberal discussed how much he appreciated Nixon's Clean Water Act and his progressive environmental reforms ~ all of which were inspired by Trudeau. "Trudeaumania" was the name, I believe, for the large following he had in NY, England, and much of Europe as well as Canada. He was also known for having a pretty wife who charmed a lot of people.

As for the claim he hated conservatives, well, he was loved by National Review for stopping the QLF. In fact, that same magazine wanted Nixon to do the same for certain leftists back in the day.
 

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Hmmmm.

Well, Trudeau was beloved in NY, California, and anywhere that voted liberal/moderate in those days. Just a couple of weeks ago a local liberal discussed how much he appreciated Nixon's Clean Water Act and his progressive environmental reforms ~ all of which were inspired by Trudeau. "Trudeaumania" was the name, I believe, for the large following he had in NY, England, and much of Europe as well as Canada. He was also known for having a pretty wife who charmed a lot of people.

As for the claim he hated conservatives, well, he was loved by National Review for stopping the QLF. In fact, that same magazine wanted Nixon to do the same for certain leftists back in the day.
Trudeau hated American conservatives imo. I noted that even back in the day when I was a Democrat.
 

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Back in those days I briefly worked for the Jim Buckley campaign and we successfully got him into the Senate. Buckley certainly did not care for Trudeau or for Nixon. But I don't recall any malignancy towards PET by anyone else.
 

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Back in those days I briefly worked for the Jim Buckley campaign and we successfully got him into the Senate. Buckley certainly did not care for Trudeau or for Nixon. But I don't recall any malignancy towards PET by anyone else.
I never followed Jim Buckley's career. Back in the day I was a liberal and a Democrat. But Trudeau left me with a feeling that he didn't like us. Maybe that's all I'm going on. But no PM before or after Trudeau left me with that feeling. Even the cretin Chretien was friendly when Clinton was in the White House.
 

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This would be an example of your comprehension issues.


Thank you for conceding my point.


BaalsTears,


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Originally Posted by gopher
Back in those days I briefly worked for the Jim Buckley campaign and we successfully got him into the Senate. Buckley certainly did not care for Trudeau or for Nixon. But I don't recall any malignancy towards PET by anyone else.
I never followed Jim Buckley's career. Back in the day I was a liberal and a Democrat. But Trudeau left me with a feeling that he didn't like us. Maybe that's all I'm going on. But no PM before or after Trudeau left me with that feeling. Even the cretin Chretien was friendly when Clinton was in the White House.


In those days, as in Canada, we had "Trudeaumania" in New York where he and his wife were reported on a virtually daily basis because he was so beloved. In fact, John Lennon (one of the most beloved figures in NYC history) said if there were more Trudeaus around we would have peace in this world:



Ask yourself, in view of the fact that liberals and moderates were the MAJORITY in the USA at that time, why on earth would Trudeau hate us? He was incredibly popular especially among liberals. It takes an absolute leap of rationality to say he hated those who loved him the most.





Trudeaumania - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


even the Queen of England loved him:


 

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Gopher said:

Ask yourself, in view of the fact that liberals and moderates were the MAJORITY in the USA at that time, why on earth would Trudeau hate us? He was incredibly popular especially among liberals. It takes an absolute leap of rationality to say he hated those who loved him the most.

BaalsTears said:

Canadians have never wanted to suck up. Trudeau was following in the great tradition of expressing Canadian independence by thumbing his nose at the traditional Canadian toadie...I refer to Uncle Sam. Trudeau simply went overboard because he was such a hipster doofus leftist. That's why he embraced Cuban President for Life Fidel Castro.
 

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Thank you for conceding my point.
I didn't need anymore examples of your comprehension issues, but I do thank you for posting more evidence, lol.
It takes an absolute leap of rationality to say he hated those who loved him the most.
Not quite as much of a leap to go from anti Americanism, to hate, in a failed and silly attempt to win some internet discussion, lol. That twist is as ridiculous as your "prove democracy would end that way" debacle, lol.

Maybe if you can stay on track, and get over your obvious limitations, you can educate yourself.
 
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I never followed Jim Buckley's career. Back in the day I was a liberal and a Democrat. But Trudeau left me with a feeling that he didn't like us. Maybe that's all I'm going on. But no PM before or after Trudeau left me with that feeling. Even the cretin Chretien was friendly when Clinton was in the White House.

And most Canadians know this. When Trudeau was PM the US had the Vietnam War going-and we know that Trudeau did like some commies.
That said he was both an intelligent and complicated man. And he hated separatists.
 

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And most Canadians know this. When Trudeau was PM the US had the Vietnam War going-and we know that Trudeau did like some commies.
That said he was both an intelligent and complicated man. And he hated separatists.
Yeah...whatever.

On a more serious note, didn't Trudeau's wife cheat on him or make a fool of him some how? She was a hippie chick who married an old hipster doofus. Sorry, but I like Dief myself.
 

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Yeah...whatever.

On a more serious note, didn't Trudeau's wife cheat on him or make a fool of him some how? She was a hippie chick who married an old hipster doofus. Sorry, but I like Dief myself.
I think I remember something about her and Mick Jagger. Given recent revelations though, it could have been Mick and Pierre.
 

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Gopher said:

Ask yourself, in view of the fact that liberals and moderates were the MAJORITY in the USA at that time, why on earth would Trudeau hate us? He was incredibly popular especially among liberals. It takes an absolute leap of rationality to say he hated those who loved him the most.

BaalsTears said:

Canadians have never wanted to suck up. Trudeau was following in the great tradition of expressing Canadian independence by thumbing his nose at the traditional Canadian toadie...I refer to Uncle Sam. Trudeau simply went overboard because he was such a hipster doofus leftist. That's why he embraced Cuban President for Life Fidel Castro.



Thumbing his nose at the USA or the warmongering military industrial complex that started the Vietnam war?

Contrary to what you may have been led to believe, Castro, like Trudeau, has always been very popular in NYC. I distinctly recall him interviewed on Spanish language TV where he was viewed as a liberator by the majority of Hispanics and by liberals. Too bad the boycott was never lifted or reformers would have taken over in Cuba a long time ago.

By the way, since nobody could come up with any evidence that Trudeau hated the USA, I tried to find some links to prove that myth that he was anti-USA. So far, nothing has turned up and, of course, nothing ever will because it is just another example of right wing myth making.





^ Castro also loves NY which is why he spent so much time there.



NYC also loved him as shown in this huge pro-Castro rally from 1960:





and the one for him in 1990.