God will burn them if they burn His book

[JBeee]

NATO Troops Kill Protester at Afghan Rally

By Jason Ditz
September 10, 2010

At least one protester is dead in the Afghan city of Faizabad today, in Badakhshan Province, after NATO troops opened fire on a rally of some 10,000 demonstrators who were protesting against the planned (albeit possibly suspended) quran burning in Florida.

According to reports some of the protesters threw stones at the exterior of a German military base in the city, prompting troops inside the base to open fire on the crowd. It was unclear if there were other injuries in the attack beyond the one confirmed death.

US officials have been complaining about the planned quran burning all week, with the Pentagon calling the Florida pastor to warn him that he had better not go through with it. Still, the “threat” it poses to American troops likely pales in comparison to the threat these continued civilian killings pose.

NATO has promised an investigation into today’s killing, but has so far declined to identify the nationality of the soldiers who attacked the rally. If they turn out to be German troops, however, this will likely spark another massive controversy over the war in Germany, which is still reeling from its soldiers’ involvement in the massive Kunduz death toll.

 

[lone wolf]

At least you're an equal opportunity hater.... Now if you'd just stand up front and direct fire.

 

[DaSleeper]

For JBeee
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/movies-music-books/34954-what-you-listening-right-now-103.html#post1328198

 

[earth_as_one]

The reason why Palestinians is on the loss and decline is because of this skepticism and atheism and the more important factor is their enthusiasm about the Prophet and his companions in addition to the innovations and the fabricated traditions which they follow instead of the Quran.

So if you want the Palestinian people to be victorious and dignified, then leave all such atheism, skepticism and enthusiasm + the false traditions; or else your ways will not succeed with your democracy and documentation of things; because - exactly like Satan - your enemy knows the truth and work contrary to it.

Moreover, if you are skeptic and don't want to observe the Quran, then what will the difference be between you and Zionists? It may be some of them knows God better than you. So who will be to my side: you or Zionists?

Therefore you cannot lead the Palestinian people or defend them unless you leave all this and in stead you should hold fast with the Glorious Quran and the devotion to God alone without any enthusiasm and to fight the false traditions --> and only then you will be victorious and triumphant. :faroah:



So it is a symbolic act expressing the detest and hatred in addition to be the blasphemy agaisnt God and His revealed book: the Glorious Quran.



So is everything to you money and business? and you consider such act as so trivial according to your evaluation of things? :confused3: So certainly you will liberate the Karmal mountain when Jews and Christians will be pleased with you ;-)

I may not be devoutly religious, but I accept the logic of this statement as self evident:Treat others as you would like to be treated.

Every major religion preaches this universal truth and if everyone followed this rule, there would be no war, hunger, poverty... All mankind's problems are resolvable, if we are just kind towards each other and cooperate.

But that is not the way the world works. I can't control what others do. Greedy, selfish people exist who would harm others for personal gain, which is why we have war, hunger, poverty... all our problems.

I don't know why this Pastor is burning a Quran. I imagine he would be insulted if someone burned the Bible and made equally vile statements about Christianity. His words and deeds violate the Christian variations of this rule:
The Golden Rule - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

While he is not acting as a good Christian, he is not advocating violence, threatening anyone or interfering with the right of others to choose their religion. I accept he has a right to make this statement, even though I regard it as rude, insulting, ignorant, intolerant, dumb... But I fully support his right to make this statement.

The overwhelming majority of Muslims have reacted as you have. As good Muslims. Tolerant and peaceful. Effectively respecting Quran and the Muslim version of this rule:
The Golden Rule - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

However a small minority of Muslims have not acted as good Muslims

...Thousands of Muslims around the world have taken to the streets to protest against threats by an obscure pastor in the United States to burn copies of the Quran on the ninth anniversary of the September 11 attacks on the US.

Demonstrations have erupted in countries including Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, Indonesia and the Palestinian territories, despite the church in question saying it would not go ahead with the plan.


In Afghanistan, at least one person was reported to have been killed in clashes with security forces as an angry crowd attacked a Nato base in the northern province of Badakshan.


Al Jazeera's Sue Turton, reporting from Kabul, said: "They started throwing rocks at the Nato compound [in Badakshan].


"The governor has told us that one person has been killed and several others injured.


"It's not just in the northeast. We've also heard reports from Farah in the West, that several people were injured there, and that in the east of the country in Nangahar, there were demonstrations there.


"I hear that 'Death to America' was chanted, an effigy of Barack Obama [the US president] was burned, and that people there were chanting 'long-live the Taliban, long live Osama bin Laden'."...

Quran burning threat fuels protests - Central & South Asia - Al Jazeera English


The Pastor is an idiot whose importance has been exaggerated. He should be ignored. Instead, evil people have used this event to motivate people to commit acts of violence and I have a problem with that.

 

[lone wolf]

All this fuss about a book.... How many flags get burned over there?

 

[taxslave]

God will burn them if they burn His book

I don't know how this will be: hurricanes, earthquakes, floods, internal wars, epidemics ...etc.

This is because they pretend not agreeing about burning the book of the Quran, while they in fact do not prevent such men from committing their transgression on the book of God: the Glorious Quran.

If some persons intend to burn the Gospel, will Muslims allow this in their countries? No, of course; because Muslims believe in the Torah and the Gospel as do they believe in the Quran.

Therefore, if the American government is truly against this act of this clergy, then they have to prevent him or else they will share in the wrath of God that they will incur.

The Quran is the book of God and He Himself will defend His book.

The Ten Commandments In The Quran

Still supporting the religion of intolerance and terrorism I see.
BTW your god is still a no show. Just like all the other false idols.

 

[Risus]

Muslims burn churches all over the world... I am pretty sure there are bibles in those churches.

Hypocrites

Eagle, I gotta agree with you!

 

[JLM]

Still supporting the religion of intolerance and terrorism I see.
BTW your god is still a no show. Just like all the other false idols.

Taxslave- As soon as I see that particular poster's name, for some strange reason I quit reading. :lol::lol::lol:

Eagle, I gotta agree with you!

Most people who try to ram religion (their interpretation of it) down other's throats are generally hypocrites. :smile:

 

[Colpy]

The Pastor is an idiot whose importance has been exaggerated. He should be ignored. Instead, evil people have used this event to motivate people to commit acts of violence and I have a problem with that.

Now THAT I agree with.

 

[Omicron]

The imam digging his heels in, and that preacher are both nutcrackers:laughing6:

They both have the constitutional right to do what they want to do and both show bad taste in what they are doing....

with one difference....


The imam started the whole thing:roll:

The Iman started the whole thing?

Are you talking about Feisal Abdul Rauf? What do you actually know about him? Here... tell me you don't think this is a credible source: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/22/nyregion/22imam.html?_r=1

He hates Muslim extremists. His Muslim parents have been held captive by Muslim extremists twice! (For being Sufi's, which is a Muslim denomination who are sort of like to Muslims what Hippies are to Christians.)

When he goes on speaking tours in the middle east in an attempt to convince middle-east Muslims that America is not a bad place, he falls under suspicion of being an American spy.


What do you actually know about the project? http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/09/nyregion/09mosque.html

Did you know that on it's most basic level, it's just a redevelopment project, being done in partnership with the Jewish Community Center of Manhattan?

A five story building called the Burlington Coat Factory was close enough to the World Trade Center that a piece of the landing gear of one of the jets hit its roof and crashed through two floors, causing the building to be mostly unusable.

It wasn't just the towers themselves to be damaged... lots of buildings around it were rendered unusable, and the mayor of NYC has had an ongoing headache trying to get owners to either tear-down and rebuild their damaged structures, or to at least renovate them back to safety-code standards.

In 2009, downtown Muslims started using the location as a Friday community drop-in center. In it, *one* room was set aside for Friday prayers.

It didn't take long for people to realize that there were so many Muslims working in Manhattan who had no reasonable access to a community center nor to a location for Friday prayers that a deal was struck with the Jewish Community Center to take over the property and redevelop it into a 15 story multicultural community center, within which, on *one* floor would be a room for Friday prayers that could technically be called a mosque.

Mayor Bloomberg *loved* the idea. A multicultural, inter-faith community center, in a new building at a location needing redevelopment.

Now the Mayor's pissed off that the property isn't going to get redeveloped, the Jewish Community Center is keeping a low profile, and Feisal is getting hammered by Squeal-Like-A-Pig-Inbreeds (SLAPIs) when the only thing Feisal has ever done is try to make peace between dispirit groups, which means he gets beat up by Muslims in the middle-eat when he tries to defend America, and he gets beat up by SLAPIs for making a joint deal with the Jewish Community Center to redevelop a piece of run-down property where just *one corner of one floor of a 15 story building* would be used for Friday prayers!

A nutcase of a southern preacher, with an equally nutty congregation (they are of that 41% of Republicans who think Obama was not born in the USA - even though his birth certificate is online - and are of that one in five Americans who think Obama is Muslim - which is so stunningly idiotic given the controversy surrounding Obama's *Christian* minister's statements during the campaign) makes a retarded statement about burning Qurans to stop redevelopment of some run-down property in a city that he and his congregation don't live in...

What's more mind-boggling? That SLAPI Americans outside his congregation would jump onside to make a bandwagon out of it, or that Muslims overseas would jump on it as another excuse to redefine the meaning of the word Jihad?

 

[taxslave]

Omicron: That is a little different than the crap we keep hearing from the fundies. One of my fellow firefighters is constantly forwarding BS from some church site that would have us believe they want government money to build a mega mosque right on the WTC site. The last one I read stated that the mosque was to be built by the Port Authority and yet a Lutherian church that was apparently in one of the towers had not been replaced by the taxpayers.
In a crowded place like NYC it makes sense for religions to share space in a vertical setting and perhaps interact without violence. I hope it works.

 

[Omicron]

Moreover, the real man is the one who fears; he fears God lest He should punish him, if he wrongs others or commits some disobedience.

While the man who is not God-fearing: he is not any brave man.

If you read scriptures in context and think about it, the proper term of translation should have been Respect.

You don't fear God... you RESPECT Him.

And God said in [...] aya 17: 60

وَنُخَوِّفُهُمْ فَمَا يَزِيدُهُمْ إِلاَّ طُغْيَانًا كَبِيرًا​

The explanation:
"We make them alarmed [: frighten them], but it only increases their excessive rebellion."​

Oh, well, then using Fear as a tactic sure was working, wasn't it :roll:


There's three basic emotions: Love, Hate and Fear.

Like how there are three basic colours - Red, Blue and Green - from which all other colours like Purple and Yellow are derived (the human eye is capable of detecting 40,000 shades of colour, all derived from combinations of Red, Green and Blue, in case you didn't know)...

Likewise, every emotion we feel are blendings of Love, Hate and Fear.

In Christian scripture, especially the New Testament, it's stressed over and over again that of those three emotions, the one God wants to see humans emphasized more in their behavior towards each other - and towards Him - is Love. He was only seeing Hatred and Fear, and He said we as a species need to up the Love quotient.

That's where you get a Respect for God from.

Respect is the emotion you get when combining Love with Fear. You feel great admiration (a form of Love) for someone or something and you want to be with them or it, but you also see how they are very powerful and can cause a lot of damage if provoked the wrong way, so you also Fear them/it, resulting in a new emotion called Respect.

Christians RESPECT God... but all you talk about is FEARING Him!

Rev. Terry Jones, leader of the Dove World Outreach Center, is propagating Hate, which means he's not living by his own scriptures emphasizing Love, therefore he does not speak for Christianity, so you can tell your radical-Muslim kin over there to chill and stop scraping the barrel looking for yet another excuse to change the definition of Jihad to mean war-on-Christianity, because he's not being a real Christian.

For Rev. T.Jones to be propagating Hatred while calling his congregation "Dove World Outreach" is as illogical as it was in George Orwell's "1984" for the ministry of propaganda and mind-control to call itself "The Ministry of Love".

In any case, Rev. T.Jones is already getting "burned" enough just by threatening to burn the Quran, and it's not coming from God... it's coming from the majority of his fellow citizens, most of whom are Christian - and all the way up to the President and the US Sec Def - telling him to shut up, and I can assure you, if he really insists on being a pest, the State Department has enough tools at its disposal to make him stop... so tell your radical Muslim brethren to chill and stop using this as another excuse to have an issue to rant about just because they're bored.

 

[DaSleeper]

The Iman started the whole thing?

Are you talking about Feisal Abdul Rauf?

He hates Muslim extremists. His Muslim parents have been held captive by Muslim extremists twice! (For being Sufi's, which is a Muslim denomination who are sort of like to Muslims what Hippies are to Christians.)

You seem to research stuff? research this "Al-Taqiyya"

 

[coldstream]

God will burn them if they burn His book

I don't know how this will be: hurricanes, earthquakes, floods, internal wars, epidemics ...etc.

This is because they pretend not agreeing about burning the book of the Quran, while they in fact do not prevent such men from committing their transgression on the book of God: the Glorious Quran.

If some persons intend to burn the Gospel, will Muslims allow this in their countries? No, of course; because Muslims believe in the Torah and the Gospel as do they believe in the Quran.

Therefore, if the American government is truly against this act of this clergy, then they have to prevent him or else they will share in the wrath of God that they will incur.

The Quran is the book of God and He Himself will defend His book.

The Ten Commandments In The Quran

Some Imams have already issued a Fatwah against the pastor of this little church, calling on American Muslims to 'slaughter him' .. as has Osama bin Laden himself. That's the difference between the Christian Gospel, which advises to 'turn the other cheek' and the Koran.. which calls for bloody revenge. It's how you can glean the difference the true Messiah of God, in fact God in the flesh.. and a false prophet.

 

[Omicron]

You seem to research stuff? research this "Al-Taqiyya"

Frankly, most of it comes out of my head, but yeah, if I don't know, I'll do research. What's so odd about that?

Anyway, it's an ancient practice. Hijab was one aspect of it, before Muslims re-defined what the point of wearing hijab was intended to be about.

What's your point?

 

[DaSleeper]

Koran

 

[Omicron]

Some Imams have already issued a Fatwah against the pastor of this little church, calling on American Muslims to 'slaughter him' .. as has Osama bin Laden himself.

Yeah, and those Imams are in as much a minority, and are just as nuts as Rev. T.Jones

That's the difference between the Christian Gospel, which advises to 'turn the other cheek'

Careful how you use that, because if you study Aramaic etymology of the day, the term "turn the other cheek" had a deeper implication than just letting someone slap you over and over again.

To "turn the other cheek" was like saying, "I dare you do that again", and it was impressive for the time, because it implied a degree of self-control wherein you would not strike back immediately with eye-for-an-eye justification, and that was generally more than enough to humble an attacker and have him back off.

He did *not* say to keep turning your cheeks back and forth for endlessly repeated slaps.

Koran

*Sigh*... how about trying for something a tad more objective: Taqiyya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In any case, what's your point? That Feisal Abdul Rauf is practicing Al-Taqiyya when he speaks to Muslims in Egypt about how the United States is not a satanic beast?

 

[gerryh]

Koran

Please tell me that you didn't just references this nut job to back up your implied argument. Really Das, I thought you were better than this.

 

[DaSleeper]

*Sigh*... how about trying for something a tad more objective: Taqiyya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Objective??? or blind faith in the interpretation of another religion???
In the words of ST. Thomas "I'm a skeptic";-)

 

[Omicron]

Objective??? or blind faith in the interpretation of another religion???
In the words of ST. Thomas "I'm a skeptic";-)

I repeat, is your point that Feisal Abdul Rauf is practicing Al-Taqiyya when he speaks to Muslim students in Egyptian universities about the United States not being a satanic beast?