Federal Carbon Price established at $10 a tonne in 2018, rising to $50 by 2022

[pgs]

Agreed, to everything you said. I just shortened it for space.

This seems to be a reasonable compromise to me: most anti-pollution measures (clean smokestacks, reducing tailpipe emissions, controlling factory effluents of all types) also have an effect on carbon release. So doesn't it make sense that we should focus our efforts on the twofers of pollution control and carbon control? Yeah, some experiments on carbon, but let's make them experiments that produce other benefits as well (electric cars, alternate or "green" energy, that sort of thing) and go big on the stuff that we already know has important beneficial effects on the demonstrated ills of pollution, and side-benefit effects that they also reduce carbon emission.

I tend to agree . If you remember L.A. in the early seventies you would also understand we as people are making great strides in combating pollution .

2022 will be after Justin Trudeau's lamentable tenure as PM will have been over for at least 3 years. When the fraud of AGW and intellectual bankruptcy of the Liberals and the economic disaster of AGW 'solutions' will have become ever more apparent.

That will be after the administration of Donald Trump, a firm AGW denier, will have made the tax an unbearable comparative burden on Canadian product and prosperity. There is nothing that the Trudeau administration can impose that can't be reversed.. once some sense and responsibility returns to government.

Only if they don't install a new form of elections that ensure their continual reelection .

Thankfully we aren't being taxed to death and there is a reasonable rate of increase on the pricing scheme.

Although, yes, we do seem to need a Liberal government to be able to do what a Conservative one can't.

So you actually liked the conservatives lowering your tax burden .

It's incredibly suspect that many of these so-called eco-crusaders are foreign entities running as charitable foundations in Canada; they have no business sticking their nose in Canadian affairs, and certainly have no freaking business shaping Canadian environmental policy. Entities like the Tides Foundation, Oak Foundation, Sea Change foundation, based mainly in California are funding anti-pipeline and anti-oil initiatives here in Canada, while Obama works ever so diligently at expanding American resources, increasing resource potential in his own country. I wonder if these idiot enviro-nuts realize they are being played as pawns in a much larger game? I wonder if Princess Trudeau realizes he is being played for a chump or if he even cares.

Nope he cares about votes and selfies .

First off, I'm 185 at 6 ft. so no chunk here.

Secondly, no one actually expects countries to meet their targets.

Lastly, you will be alive to see your country have a carbon pricing mechanism.

Secondly I am 5 9 and 150 and would throw you over the fence before you could blink . I is whats I is .

Interestingly enough, just heard the latest. JT has paid $ 200,000 for 'deliverology' advice. This was a term coined by a UK Consultant advising politician's on exactly 'how to sell a tax hike' to the British people!! Well, seem our very own JT has been flying this guy back and forth to teach him how to convince us that more taxes are good, and how to convince us that we can afford to give more of our money to Ottawa!! Oh, and best of all this guy is being paid by us, right?? Maybe the Libs in Ontario can use his services next?

Yet he still called it a tax .

You support Donald Trump who's the most authoritative leader since Hitler.

What has he led ?

 

[10larry]

Interestingly enough, just heard the latest. JT has paid $ 200,000 for 'deliverology' advice. This was a term coined by a UK Consultant advising politician's on exactly 'how to sell a tax hike' to the British people!! Well, seem our very own JT has been flying this guy back and forth to teach him how to convince us that more taxes are good, and how to convince us that we can afford to give more of our money to Ottawa!! Oh, and best of all this guy is being paid by us, right?? Maybe the Libs in Ontario can use his services next?

Mcwynnes' ontario needs no assist from gurus grounded in the uk or elsewhere, shhe had mcguinty as her mentor and shhe readily mastered deceit. In only a few short months shhe has made daltons' fiascos appear as childs play, I'd wager kate could offer the uk guru a few tips in the art of hoodwink.

 

[bobnoorduyn]

It's incredibly suspect that many of these so-called eco-crusaders are foreign entities running as charitable foundations in Canada; they have no business sticking their nose in Canadian affairs, and certainly have no freaking business shaping Canadian environmental policy. Entities like the Tides Foundation, Oak Foundation, Sea Change foundation, based mainly in California are funding anti-pipeline and anti-oil initiatives here in Canada, while Obama works ever so diligently at expanding American resources, increasing resource potential in his own country. I wonder if these idiot enviro-nuts realize they are being played as pawns in a much larger game? I wonder if Princess Trudeau realizes he is being played for a chump or if he even cares.

I found this a rather interesting read;


Vivian Krause: The cash pipeline opposing Canadian oil pipelines | Financial Post

 

[Decapoda]

I found this a rather interesting read;


Vivian Krause: The cash pipeline opposing Canadian oil pipelines | Financial Post

Ms. Kraus has been raising these concerns for years, perhaps most noteably when she addressed the Senate Standing Comittee in 2012 during the implementation of provisions contained in Bill C-38 discussing ammenments to the income Tax Act relating specifically to charities. Showing evidence that these foreign "charities" were merely fronts for political foreign special interest groups who were defrauding Canada by failing to declare political funding under the guise of charities, all while actively campaigning against Canadian environmental policy only resulted in Liberals and enviros assaulting her credibility and accusing her of working for oil companies, which were baseless and false.

Liberals have absolutely no interest in protecting Canada's resource extraction and production policies, this fact has been painfully obvious since Cretien was running the show. It truly is all about photo ops and fluffy platitudes and has ZERO to do with objective rational solutions in forming policy. This current group of clowns and bozo the leader will not be happy until the economy is decimated in the futile quest for environmental utopia.

 

[taxslave]

No, I think they need to set ambitious targets or we won't do anything.

trudOWE not doing anything would be a boon for taxpayers. Except resigning of course. That would be the best thing he could do for the country.

Ms. Kraus has been raising these concerns for years, perhaps most noteably when she addressed the Senate Standing Comittee in 2012 during the implementation of provisions contained in Bill C-38 discussing ammenments to the income Tax Act relating specifically to charities. Showing evidence that these foreign "charities" were merely fronts for political foreign special interest groups who were defrauding Canada by failing to declare political funding under the guise of charities, all while actively campaigning against Canadian environmental policy only resulted in Liberals and enviros assaulting her credibility and accusing her of working for oil companies, which were baseless and false.

Liberals have absolutely no interest in protecting Canada's resource extraction and production policies, this fact has been painfully obvious since Cretien was running the show. It truly is all about photo ops and fluffy platitudes and has ZERO to do with objective rational solutions in forming policy. This current group of clowns and bozo the leader will not be happy until the economy is decimated in the futile quest for environmental utopia.

The strange part of all this is that all thinking people know that if you destroy the economy you will destroy the environment along with it.

I found this a rather interesting read;


Vivian Krause: The cash pipeline opposing Canadian oil pipelines | Financial Post

That was also published on the FB site Canadians against the NDP & Liberals. Interesting read. It is not only the oil industry but BC logging and Fish Farms that are attacked by Canadian groups financed by US interests.

 

[JamesBondo]

Thankfully we aren't being taxed to death and there is a reasonable rate of increase on the pricing scheme.

Do you live in a fool's paradise? You will be taxed to death, and taxed after your death. Furthermore, any increase to a pricing scheme can only be called reasonable if it is effective. This one isn't and won't be. Now sit down, shut up, and drink your CoolAid

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Wow. Who lit the fuse on your tampon?

 

[EagleSmack]

First off, I'm 185 at 6 ft. so no chunk here.

Secondly, no one actually expects countries to meet their targets.

Lastly, you will be alive to see your country have a carbon pricing mechanism.

C'mon chunky... who are you kidding.

Of course they won't meet their targets. It's all a scam.

Companies will get around these pricing mechanisms by green washing... when they remove their paper towels in the bathroom and put a air dryer in that will be their pricing mechanism. lmao

No, I think they need to set ambitious targets or we won't do anything.

Waaaaaa. lmao... such a salty fool you are.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

Waaaaaa. lmao... such a salty fool you are.

Even one without the salt.

 

[Decapoda]

This is all about Trudeau dropping to his knees in the quest for UN recognition. He's trying to build some bullsh*t legacy, one year into his term, at the expense and on the backs of hard working people in Alberta, Saskatchewan, and elsewhere who have lost their jobs and are having a hard time making ends meet. He has no interest in the state of the Canadian taxpayer and no respect for the economic health of this country, the only thing he respects is his own arrogant, selfish motives. He's an idealist with no concept of compromise or balance.

A poll was released a couple of days ago that showed half of Canadians are within $200 of not being able to pay their monthly bills, and 1 in 4 already not making enough to pay for their basic monthly expenses. This new "everything" tax will undoubtedly push many of these people over the line. I'm already hearing the rumblings of Western alienation. Princess had better be paying attention, the honeymoon is definitely over.

 

[mentalfloss]

I support him because he's not Mrs. Klinton, not because of his liberal policies. Yer so stoopid.

He's a Nazi.

Hence the lefty policies that you support.

 

[taxslave]

He's a Nazi.

Hence the lefty policies that you support.

You got no clue about who or what Nazis were. TrudOWE comes much closer to fitting the desctiption. Not that he is already trying to rig the next election.

 

[EagleSmack]

You got no clue about who or what Nazis were. TrudOWE comes much closer to fitting the desctiption. Not that he is already trying to rig the next election.

That's how they do it! The new Liberal Night of the Long Knives is coming.

 

[bobnoorduyn]

You got no clue about who or what Nazis were. TrudOWE comes much closer to fitting the desctiption. Not that he is already trying to rig the next election.

His dad avoided service during the war and biked around the countryside wearing a German helmet, (and helmets weren't even required then). The apple doesn't fall far as they say.

 

[mentalfloss]

You got no clue about who or what Nazis were. TrudOWE comes much closer to fitting the desctiption. Not that he is already trying to rig the next election.

Nope.

Trudeau is libertarian by comparison.


And Brad Wall is just an idiot.


Not to the Wall: Notley won’t team up to fight federal carbon tax | National Newswatch

 

[Colpy]

Nope.

Trudeau is libertarian by comparison.


And Brad Wall is just an idiot.


Not to the Wall: Notley won’t team up to fight federal carbon tax | National Newswatch

Trudeau is Libertarian.....in comparison to Kim Jong-un.

Oh, when is Justin traveling to Pyongyang to give Kim his blow job?

He's been on his knees for every other murdering prick on the face of the planet.....Kim must be in line somewhere.

Oh wait, I forgot, Dion giving thumbs down to a desperate mother in favour of Iran's killers was the fault of the "previous gov't".

Some apology.

Trudeau is such a turd that even formerly decent MPs are driven to nefarious acts of extreme stupidity in the House.

We would be way ahead if Brad Wall was Prime Minister.

Hell, we'd be way ahead if Bart Simpson was Prime Minister.

On second thought......maybe he is?? Hmmm.

 

[pgs]

Trudeau is Libertarian.....in comparison to Kim Jong-un.

Oh, when is Justin traveling to Pyongyang to give Kim his blow job?

He's been on his knees for every other murdering prick on the face of the planet.....Kim must be in line somewhere.

Oh wait, I forgot, Dion giving thumbs down to a desperate mother in favour of Iran's killers was the fault of the "previous gov't".

Some apology.

Trudeau is such a turd that even formerly decent MPs are driven to nefarious acts of extreme stupidity in the House.

We would be way ahead if Brad Wall was Prime Minister.

Hell, we'd be way ahead if Bart Simpson was Prime Minister.

On second thought......maybe he is?? Hmmm.

But Duffy and Harpers secret agenda to change the basic Canadian existence .

 

[mentalfloss]

Why conservatives are wrong.

Because they're conservatives.


Why conservatives have it wrong about Trudeau’s carbon tax

Saskatchewan Environment Minister Scott Moe recently described the Trudeau government’s announcement as “National Energy Program 2.0.” Premier Brad Wall argues it’s going to siphon $2.5-billion out of the province and $1,250 a year out of the pockets of the average family. We don’t see how that arithmetic adds up.

Yes, any extra tax, no matter how small, is deplorable if the levy is unnecessary, or the money wasted. But in the case of the carbon levy, every cent raised remains within the province. Each province can design its own system and use the money however it likes. Not one red cent has to go to Ottawa.

A conservative provincial government, like Mr. Wall’s Saskatchewan Party, could decide to take advantage of higher taxes on gasoline, diesel, natural gas and coal to lower taxes on things everyone wants more of, like income and investment. A conservative-minded premier could promise to turn every dollar of carbon levy into a dollar in tax cuts. That would make for an interesting contrast to Alberta and Ontario, which are largely planning on spending their carbon billions.

The idea of making a carbon tax “revenue-neutral” was pioneered by B.C. The $1.2-billion a year raised by its $30-a-tonne carbon tax is used to lower the province’s middle-class income tax rate and provide benefits for lower-income British Columbians. Some carbon-tax cash is also used to support the province’s film industry – so, no, it’s not perfectly revenue-neutral. But it’s close.

Consider the opportunity for a province like Saskatchewan. A middle-class taxpayer there currently pays more basic provincial income tax than someone with the same income in B.C., Alberta or Ontario. A carbon levy would allow the province to lower income tax rates, as B.C. did – with no need for spending cuts or deficit financing.

Or Saskatchewan could cut its provincial sales tax, currently 5 per cent. That would not be economically wise, but it might be politically popular. (The Harper government, which lowered the federal GST from 7 to 5 per cent, certainly thought so.)

Why conservatives have it wrong about Trudeau’s carbon tax - The Globe and Mail

 

[Dixie Cup]

So you agree that these international gabfest are a waste of time, money and carbon?
Just this week the guy that founded the Weather network publicly announced that climate change is a scam as did Patrick Moore a couple of weeks back. THe only ones pushing the Kool Aid are a few washed up actors in Hollywierd and Suzuki, who has a larger carbon footprint than many towns.

It's the typical "do as I say and not as I do" scenario. We're children being led to the slaughter while they fill their pockets!

I found this a rather interesting read;


Vivian Krause: The cash pipeline opposing Canadian oil pipelines | Financial Post

Tides was founded by George Soros the most evil, corrupt individual ever! As a multi-billionaire, he has destroyed economies and currencies of countries for his own benefit. The Rockerfellers are of the same ilk.


He is NOT a nice man so obviously, funding the anti-pipeline and anti-oil in Canada in some way MUST mean there's money in it for him to do so. He is hailed as a philanthropist but that's just his public façade; he's a man who destroys.


I cannot believe that CRA would allow any organization with ties to The Tide Foundation and any other entity attached to them any charitable status. We're then funding organizations who would love to destroy this country.


JMHO

 

[mentalfloss]

Let's keep the tinfoil hat theories about the elite out of this thread and stick to reality please.