Federal Carbon Price established at $10 a tonne in 2018, rising to $50 by 2022

mentalfloss

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Yes we're fine, don't worry your little self.

Harper's gone so everything will be just fine.
 

JamesBondo

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Clearly, your dance around the mulberry bush is an indication that you realize that you are in over your head on this topic. Such a shame, I was eager to learn why you are against energy security for all provinces. Alas, I believe that you were talking out your butt on a topic you know nothing about.
 

mentalfloss

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Things aren't fine.

Alarmist.



A Carbon Price Will Reduce Emissions More than Computer Models Predict

How much would a carbon tax reduce U.S. emissions?

The U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) found that if the country had set a carbon tax of $25 per ton in 2015 and increased it by 5 percent each year, CO2 emissions would have fallen to 32 percent below 2005 levels by 2030. But new research shows that this may underestimate a carbon price’s true potential.

In our new issue brief, Putting a Price on Carbon: Reducing Emissions, we outline the specific ways a carbon price (meaning either a carbon tax or cap-and-trade program) would encourage emissions reductions by changing the behavior of producers, consumers and investors throughout the economy. We compare these incentives to the corresponding forecasts in EIA’s model, and we find that the model is likely underestimating emissions reductions in important ways.

Models Likely Underestimate Emissions Reductions in the Electricity Sector

Take the electricity sector: A carbon price will increase the cost of electricity in proportion to the carbon content of the fuel, thus encouraging the replacement of high-carbon sources like coal with lower-carbon options like natural gas and renewables. The response of the U.S. electricity grid to price signals is remarkably rapid and strong—the figure below shows how coal usage has correlated with large shifts in natural gas prices in recent years. Computer model forecasts are designed to mimic such historical relationships, so natural gas usage is assumed to increase when a carbon price raises the relative price of coal-fired electricity.

A Carbon Price Will Reduce Emissions More than Computer Models Predict | World Resources Institute
 

JamesBondo

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Just wondering....have you waited for a carbon price before reducing your emissions? Why didn't you just act on your convictions?
 

Cliffy

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taxslave

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Alarmist.



A Carbon Price Will Reduce Emissions More than Computer Models Predict

How much would a carbon tax reduce U.S. emissions?

The U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) found that if the country had set a carbon tax of $25 per ton in 2015 and increased it by 5 percent each year, CO2 emissions would have fallen to 32 percent below 2005 levels by 2030. But new research shows that this may underestimate a carbon price’s true potential.

In our new issue brief, Putting a Price on Carbon: Reducing Emissions, we outline the specific ways a carbon price (meaning either a carbon tax or cap-and-trade program) would encourage emissions reductions by changing the behavior of producers, consumers and investors throughout the economy. We compare these incentives to the corresponding forecasts in EIA’s model, and we find that the model is likely underestimating emissions reductions in important ways.

Models Likely Underestimate Emissions Reductions in the Electricity Sector

Take the electricity sector: A carbon price will increase the cost of electricity in proportion to the carbon content of the fuel, thus encouraging the replacement of high-carbon sources like coal with lower-carbon options like natural gas and renewables. The response of the U.S. electricity grid to price signals is remarkably rapid and strong—the figure below shows how coal usage has correlated with large shifts in natural gas prices in recent years. Computer model forecasts are designed to mimic such historical relationships, so natural gas usage is assumed to increase when a carbon price raises the relative price of coal-fired electricity.

A Carbon Price Will Reduce Emissions More than Computer Models Predict | World Resources Institute
Gotta love those computer models. Whatever happened to the one that predicted an ice free Arctic by 2013?
The only way they are going to make CO2 drop the amount predicted is either a lucky breakthrough in automotive fuel systems or a massive economic collapse like the 1930s. Flossy of coures would prefer we are all as poor as him.
 

darkbeaver

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Here in the real world we produce x ammount of biomass, every year without fail, fuk off we don't need you, all you produce is raw grain to feede trhe stupified mases of luniacts sign up with us, the reaql Atlantists, the big wet, be with us, or be not,the Ocean speaks, yuou better listen, nice or nothing. You just try your shjt with us, sqwuiushed every morning like stupid bugs,

The Sun blesses us first because we are better than you.
 

Cliffy

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Here in the real world we produce x ammount of biomass, every year without fail, fuk off we don't need you, all you produce is raw grain to feede trhe stupified mases of luniacts sign up with us, the reaql Atlantists, the big wet, be with us, or be not,the Ocean speaks, yuou better listen, nice or nothing. You just try your shjt with us, sqwuiushed every morning like stupid bugs,
One can always tell when it is getting close to bed time in the maritimes by the incomprehensibly quotient of your posts, Beav. Tomorrow is another day. Sleep well.
 
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darkbeaver

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One can always tell when it is getting close to bed time in the maritimes by the incomprehensibly quotient of you posts, Beav. Tomorrow is another day. Sleep well.
It is Cliffy, unt I will still be here tomorrow, tomorrow is the same day, there is only one, shine or else


be good thebest that you can muster is all thats required

Be nice or be not.

So you want to advance here, be nice or be gone. Examine the history of nice.;/ Be nice or we'll squish you.
 

Decapoda

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A high-level memo obtained through freedom of information request by an organization called Blacklocks appears to acknowledge that there may be some major challenges or difficulties ahead for the Liberal government in trying to impose a national carbon pricing scheme on provinces. Although HEAVILY censored and redacted, it appears to show that the Liberals were advised by senior officials within their own government that such a plan to forcefully impose a federal tax on provinces outside of their jurisdiction may be difficult or impossible.



It is possible that Trudeau is relying on bully tactics to pressure provinces into imposing a carbon tax on themselves, knowing full-well that federal mandate may not allow him to do this. Trudeau may be able to get away with childishly elbowing and grabbing MP's on the floor of the House to get his way, but I don't think this juvenile strategy will work with Brad Wall in Saskatchewan. Wall has made it clear that he has no intention of backing down from Trudeau's boisterous bluster, and it's likely he will outclass, outwit, and outmaneuver every move junior attempts to make over the provinces on this issue.