There you go Goobs. BTW the next country to light up a nuke will be the ones who have already used it before. That frightens me far more than Iran or N.Korea.
Enough farting around on Iran & Nukes
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There you go Goobs. BTW the next country to light up a nuke will be the ones who have already used it before. That frightens me far more than Iran or N.Korea.
Precisely. As long as Iran is surrounded by lunatics who have nukes, I can sympathize with their desire (if they have one) to have them. It seems to be the only deterrent to the idiots who have them from making a preemptive strike. That is why the US and Israel insist on having them and that is precisely why Iran should have them. With their massive arsenal. the US can disintegrate the entire planet many times over, so if there is any lunatic to fear, it is the US and the crazies that run the joint.
At this point they are the guy who is surrounded by guys with automatic weapons and all he has is a knife. That would be enough to make anybody psychotic.
Stop posting things I agree with.....it scares me.
The point is (as so well demonstrated by the last Iranian "election" and its aftermath) you are not dealing with "their" desire......I mean the desire of the people of Iran........
You are instead dealing with the desire of a Jew-hating lunatic President with a sick, violent obsession over Israel, backed by a group of hard-core Islamist clerics. These guys make the fantasy looney Dr. Strangelove look like the Dalai Lama in comparison.
I have often said that the limiting factor in any attack on Iran is the effect it would have on the anti-government movement there.......
The main limiting factor in an attack on Iran is that it will precipitate WWIII.
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I agree with Chossudovsky. If you haven't watched the video posted by Spade, I highly recommend it. It is a stark and honest evaluation of the current situation.
What scares me is that somehow Israel recently became a defacto part of NATO. I can't seem to find any information on this... That means Canada and all NATO nations are obligated to defend Israel if Israel is attacked, or more likely if Israel starts WWIII by attacking Iran.
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This will give the Xtian fundies a woody. They are getting tired of waiting for Armageddon. They have been pushing hard to start that war at least since they helped elect Ronny Raygun.
Yeah. So has Labrador. But never as a nation. Just like Palestine. What does that have to do with Israeli's being "piss poor geographers". They're very good geographers. After 3 thousand years they still know where to find home. As for the "Palestinians", you realize there isn't even such a thing as a "P" sound in Arabic, right? Why would they name their territory using sounds they can't even say?
Oh yeah, because they didn't. Because up until about halfway through the twentieth century, when one spoke of a "Palestinian", one was generally referring to a Palestinian Jew.
Also, as a minor aside, your map, as usual, fails to denote Jordan. You know, that first Palestinian state.
Lol, I see, so Hamas is just being kind and generous by supplying free entertainment in the form of fireworks displays. Silly over-sensitive Jews interpreting that as hostility. I suppose also that that man was hit in the neck by bowling ball shrapnel. Happens all the time.
Sorry, no idea what your point is here, unless to convey that the "West Bank" is actually a misnomer for Judea and Samaria. I agree with you on that.
Anyway, there are plenty of threads we can move this conversation to without straying off topic.
I used to live in Vancouver and left. Should I go back to my old house, kick in the door, move everybody living there into the basement and cut off their food and water? I still know where it is. I even remember the postal code.
When did God forgive them for breaking their covenant? He didn't. So that excuse doesn't work either.
Eventually Israel or someone else will light a match and a chain of alliances will lead to a regional and then global war involving nukes...
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Who do you see in this WW-lll against Iran? One thing to have a basic war, but a world war is another matter. We have not had a world war since WW-2 ended in 1945.
In a hypothetical future scenario, the U.S. and China are poised to clash — likely over Taiwan.
The democratic Republic of China, commonly called Taiwan — which America backs and the communist People’s Republic of China considers part of its territory — frequently irritates Chinese leaders with calls for greater independence from the mainland. But while the American military mulls its options, Chinese missiles hit runways, fuel lines, barracks and supply depots at U.S. Air Force bases in Japan and South Korea. Long-range warheads destroy American satellites, crippling Air Force surveillance and communication networks. A nuclear fireball erupts high above the Pacific Ocean, ionizing the atmosphere and scrambling radars and radio feeds.
This is China’s anti-U.S. sucker punch strategy.
http://newzeal.blogspot.com/2008/01/how-china-plans-to-win-next-pacific-war.html
Anyone who thinks war with Iran is about nukes hasn't got their head screwed on properly. The middle east is all about the oil and China and Russia have major interest in Iran. The US would not dare go in there without convincing NATO to join them with another false flag operation. Then you would have an East/West world war. If anybody at the Pentagon thinks they can get away with a hit on Iran, they truly are gonzo.
It's more than oil. It's piplines, Tran Asian highways and putting evil sattelites in space.
China will get Taiwan back peacefully by vote.
Here is a scenario which leads to WWIII
Israel escalates a minor border skirmish, by bombing Lebanon. Hezbollah responds by bombing Tel Aviv with missiles Israel claims were made in Iran. Many Lebanese and a few Israeli citizens are killed.
Israel bombs Iran. They claim they are going after Iran's nuclear sites, but they also take the opportunity to strike military and government targets. Many civilians die.
Both Iran and Syria respond by attacking Israel with hundreds of missiles. They also claim they are going after nuclear sites, but they also take the opportunity to strike military and government sites, killing a few civilians but damage is minimal.
The US and Israel respond by going after Iran's oil facilities. Canada and other NATO members participate. The US drops nuclear bunker buster bombs on hardened targets. Many civilians die. Iran's remaining leaders decide to start building nukes and bomb civilian targets across Israel. Iran shuts down the Persian gulf and bombs Tel Aviv. Using suicide speedboats armed with super-cavitation torpedoes, they damage and destroy most military vessels in the Persian Gulf. Insurance companies refuse to insure tankers entering the war zone, creating world wide oil shortages.
The US led alliance bombs Iran's oil facilities killing many civilians including a few Chine nationals. China begins openly supporting Iran with SAM technology. Iran attacks oil facilities through out the region, killing many civilians. Iran detonates a nuke....
WW III
Here is a scenario which leads to WWIII
Israel escalates a minor border skirmish, by bombing Lebanon. Hezbollah responds by bombing Tel Aviv with missiles Israel claims were made in Iran. Many Lebanese and a few Israeli citizens are killed.
Israel bombs Iran. They claim they are going after Iran's nuclear sites, but they also take the opportunity to strike military and government targets. Many civilians die.
Both Iran and Syria respond by attacking Israel with hundreds of missiles. They also claim they are going after nuclear sites, but they also take the opportunity to strike military and government sites, killing a few civilians but damage is minimal.
The US and Israel respond by going after Iran's oil facilities. Canada and other NATO members participate. The US drops nuclear bunker buster bombs on hardened targets. Many civilians die. Iran's remaining leaders decide to start building nukes and bomb civilian targets across Israel. Iran shuts down the Persian gulf and bombs Tel Aviv. Using suicide speedboats armed with super-cavitation torpedoes, they damage and destroy most military vessels in the Persian Gulf. Insurance companies refuse to insure tankers entering the war zone, creating world wide oil shortages.
The US led alliance bombs Iran's oil facilities killing many civilians including a few Chine nationals. China begins openly supporting Iran with SAM technology. Iran attacks oil facilities through out the region, killing many civilians. Iran detonates a nuke....
WW III
Israel is thirsty and needs water desperately.
It makes far far more sense to go after their water sources than it does to launch a nuke.
It makes far far more sense to go after their water sources than it does to launch a nuke.
I'll reply to this but then that's all I'm gonna say on this topic in this thread.
You don't even have to get as abstract in your similes as your former home in Vancouver. Let's stay right in the region.
1948, the Arabs conquer east Jerusalem. They immediately get busy summarily "ethnic cleansing" it of all Jewish residents. It becomes "Arab East Jerusalem."
1967, Jews re-conquer East Jerusalem. Does it become "Jewish East Jerusalem"? No. Is it "ethnically cleansed" of Arabs? No. (Well EAO might tell you it was, but somehow when Israeli's ethnically cleanse an area of Arabs there end up being more Arabs there than there were to begin with. Not sure how that works. Anyway...) It became "Occupied Arab East Jerusalem".
This is one of the many double standards that make it difficult for me to support the Palestinian cause against Israel.
Lets review history.....
Today, the status of Jerusalem remains one of the core issues in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict. After the 1967 Arab Israeli War, Israel annexed East Jerusalem (which was controlled by Jordan) and considers it a part of Israel, although the international community has rejected the annexation as illegal and considers East Jerusalem to be Palestinian territory held by Israel under military occupation.
Israel, however, considers the entire city to be a part of Israel following its annexation of East Jerusalem through the Jerusalem Law of 1980.
Who is shafting who?
You think anyone noticed how you completely ignored the part about it being "Palestinian Territory" under Israeli "military occupation", only because it was previously Jewish territory, under Arab military occupation?
You've proven my point, when Arabs conquer, their conquest becomes Arab territory. When Jews conquer, their conquest becomes ruthless aggresive military occupation riddled by war crimes and the land must be returned or else it's OK to kill Jewish kids in disco's because you're a freedom fighter.
That sums up the Israeli - Arab conflict in Palestine.
EAOThere is very little challenge to you and your statements - You are like a person that tells half of the story - Only the parts that are of benefit to you.
You make the statement the Israel is a de facto member of NATO - Please note the link, read it and some of the portions I posted from it.
What Israel took up was an offer that was also made to Muslim Countries as well. Seems that is a critical part that you leave out.
But unfortunately, people like you spout these obvious distortions of Fact and stupid people that are of a like mind, as in yourself, lap it up like sugar. They then bring these distortions as fact to other like minded stupid people -Like a virus it spreads and contaminates opinion.
As I say, The Good Lord has a special place in his heart for stupid people, why else would he have made so many.
http://www.australia.to/2010/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=528:israel-global-natos-29th-member&catid=95:rick-rozoff&Itemid=127
"Israel is also seeking to receive an upgraded status following the conclusion of the Strategic Concept review that will enable Israeli officials to participate in top NATO forums....Israel is a member of the Mediterranean Dialogue, which was created in 1994 to foster ties with Middle Eastern countries like Israel, Jordan, Egypt and Morocco." [5]
By 2000 NATO's Mediterranean Dialogue had expanded to include seven nations in the Middle East and Africa: Algeria, Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Mauritania, Morocco and Tunisia.
At its 2004 summit in Istanbul, Turkey the largest single expansion of NATO in its history occurred as seven states were brought in as full members, all in Eastern Europe and including the first former Soviet and former Yugoslav republics recruited as full members of the Alliance.
If the accession of new members and the Partnership for Peace provided NATO with outposts on Russia's borders (Azerbaijan, Estonia, Finland, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland and Ukraine) and on China's (Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan), the Istanbul Cooperation Initiative has allowed for the further encirclement of Iran by moving Alliance influence and military presence into the Persian Gulf.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Members_of_NATO
The only country that might take out Iran will be Israel, I don't think the U.S. would get actively involved except with satellite coverage. In this case I agree with you unless there is some new weapon we don't know about that can render them defenseless immediately..